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21-09-2007, 02:11 AM
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Black Walnut Seeds
Who am I emailing the pages too?
Is pdf ok? Or jpeg? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "John McWilliams" wrote in message . .. symplastless wrote: A very good book for you to get is this: BTW I have a copy and I could fax you the pages on walnuts if you send me your fax number to my email address. Why not scan and E-mail? Much gentler on the ecology. And please place your reply at the bottom! It's kinder that way. ' -- john mcwilliams |
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#32
21-09-2007, 02:43 AM
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"John McWilliams" wrote in message
. .. symplastless wrote: Who am I emailing the pages too? Is pdf ok? Or jpeg? To whomever you offered to mail them to. But placing your reply at the top makes it poor reading for many, difficult to reply to for some. Ok, I wilkl rake a look at it. Al, would you like the pages copied and mailed? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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#33
21-09-2007, 01:00 PM
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My scanner just went south. If anybody else wants a copy of the article on
the topic by the USFS email me your mailing address and I will go to Staples and make a copy and mail it to you. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "John McWilliams" wrote in message . .. symplastless wrote: Who am I emailing the pages too? Is pdf ok? Or jpeg? Sorry. Forgot the other part. JPEGs, PDFs, GIFs are a pretty safe bet. -- John McWilliams |
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#34
21-09-2007, 11:30 PM
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All nuts have one problem, you can't get them to germinate if they stay dry too long. I have grown several varieties of nuts, including the English walnut but not the black walnut. I just put all the nuts in a large tin with some moist compost, and the lid on to stop vermin eating them, and left them in a shed. This was in England with cold winters. It saved refridgerator space. In early spring (late March) I tipped the lot out, sorted out those that had started to grow and potted them on. My interest in growing them was to see if I could Bonsai them. I had a lot more than I needed and thinking back on that time there was probably about 50% success. Bigal
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#35
22-09-2007, 05:13 AM
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Jim wrote: John McWilliams wrote: Jim wrote: when compelled to argue with the know it all guy-0-mite it is important not to allow your point to be negated or reduced in it's effectiveness with improper word utilization. Huh?? "it's"? John McWilliams, thank you for your assistance in making the point. there's just not that many helpful people around these days. John asked a straight up question. Are you going to be the anti D. Staples? How about a non-wise ass answer? -- FB - FFF Billy Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. - Bob Marley |
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#36
22-09-2007, 06:35 AM
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Billy wrote:
Jim wrote: John McWilliams wrote: Jim wrote: when compelled to argue with the know it all guy-0-mite it is important not to allow your point to be negated or reduced in it's effectiveness with improper word utilization. Huh?? "it's"? John McWilliams, thank you for your assistance in making the point. there's just not that many helpful people around these days. John asked a straight up question. my perception is that John pointed out my incorrect use of the word "it's". I simply thanked him for his astute observation. Are you going to be the anti D. Staples? How about a non-wise ass answer? while pointing out something to D. Staples I offered D. Staples something in return to point out to me. John got there first. - hth - |
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#37
22-09-2007, 03:30 PM
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Jim wrote: Billy wrote: Jim wrote: John McWilliams wrote: Jim wrote: when compelled to argue with the know it all guy-0-mite it is important not to allow your point to be negated or reduced in it's effectiveness with improper word utilization. Huh?? "it's"? John McWilliams, thank you for your assistance in making the point. there's just not that many helpful people around these days. John asked a straight up question. my perception is that John pointed out my incorrect use of the word "it's". I simply thanked him for his astute observation. Are you going to be the anti D. Staples? How about a non-wise ass answer? while pointing out something to D. Staples I offered D. Staples something in return to point out to me. John got there first. - hth - Ah, pedagogy. -- FB - FFF Billy Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights. Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight. - Bob Marley |
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#38
22-09-2007, 04:59 PM
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Billy wrote:
Jim wrote: Billy wrote: Jim wrote: John McWilliams wrote: Jim wrote: [....] Ah, pedagogy. precisely. |
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#39
22-09-2007, 10:42 PM
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thank you, now, **** off.
"Jim" wrote in message ... "D. Staples" wrote: [....] Sorry, and your wrong. Sorry, and you are wrong. or Sorry, and you're wrong. when compelled to argue with the know it all guy-0-mite it is important not to allow your point to be negated or reduced in it's effectiveness with improper word utilization. be precise and make use of accepted standards. scarification 1: the act or process of scarifying scarifying 1: to make scratches or small cuts in (as the skin) scarify an area for vaccination 2: to lacerate the feelings of 3: to break up and loosen the surface of (as a field or road) 4: to cut or soften the wall of (a hard seed) to hasten germination I have been a forester for 40 years. The process is the same, you said scarification is to remove the husk, wrong, it is to reduce the thickness of the shell. Moisture and freezing does that in nature, stratification as well. But in a nursery, you will note the following phrase, stratification is necessary in the deep south. I don't need to look it up, junior, I live it. |
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#40
23-09-2007, 12:49 AM
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Don why don't you leave these people alone?
-- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "D. Staples" wrote in message ... thank you, now, **** off. "Jim" wrote in message ... "D. Staples" wrote: [....] Sorry, and your wrong. Sorry, and you are wrong. or Sorry, and you're wrong. when compelled to argue with the know it all guy-0-mite it is important not to allow your point to be negated or reduced in it's effectiveness with improper word utilization. be precise and make use of accepted standards. scarification 1: the act or process of scarifying scarifying 1: to make scratches or small cuts in (as the skin) scarify an area for vaccination 2: to lacerate the feelings of 3: to break up and loosen the surface of (as a field or road) 4: to cut or soften the wall of (a hard seed) to hasten germination I have been a forester for 40 years. The process is the same, you said scarification is to remove the husk, wrong, it is to reduce the thickness of the shell. Moisture and freezing does that in nature, stratification as well. But in a nursery, you will note the following phrase, stratification is necessary in the deep south. I don't need to look it up, junior, I live it. |
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#41
23-09-2007, 01:38 PM
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Sheldon wrote:
On Sep 18, 11:17?am, Jim Kingdon wrote: While scarifying is an alternative, it is not necessary, any more than stratification. It may influence germination, but in nature, it doesn't happen that much, scarification that is. Nursery's stratify black walnut, but seldom scarify, just as they stratify other seed. In nature, scarification happens by a seed coat being gradually worn away or a seed coat being cracked by freezing. Scarification is a way to speed this up (with cutting a notch and hot water seeming to be the preferred techniques). At least, that's what my book on propagating woody plants says. But each plant is different. And I don't know anything about black walnut in particular. Getting some instructions from someone who has propagated the particular plant in question is recommended. Sure in nature, the plant grows (somehow). But whether this happens quickly, or how many seeds are needed for one seeding, or whether the seed passes through the digestive tract of a bird or mammal in nature, or whether you can keep a seed in the ground for months/years and recognize it as a non-weed when it does come up, or whatever, make the garden situation often different. There are no animals where black walnut grows that eat black walnut seed whole... if ever you come upon a squirrel swallowing black walnut seed whole you'd best don your steel safety cup and get the hell outa there fast as your widdle stumps can run. No need to back peddle and hide behind ignorance. There are plenty of web sites with expert instructions about how to grow black walnut (I read a few before posting just as a refresher, I'm not a walnut tree maven but I've lots of hickory). Under how to plant all begin by describing how to scarify, remove the husk and notch the shell. Then they go on to describe about stratification, only necessary in warm climes or with large wood stand/nut harvesting operations where seed will be planted later. But this is about someone with a tree in his yard who merely wants to grow a few seeds... someone who as yet refuses to say where. Do all of yoose go through life making mountains out of molehills, what a bunch or wild exaggeraters. Just answer the question that's asked, stop embellishing with the barroom lush BS... just makes you appear very ignorant. I live in Northern Westchester NY, zone 5. I was busy I only got a chance to read the posts today. A; |
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#42
23-09-2007, 01:52 PM
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symplastless wrote:
"John McWilliams" wrote in message . .. symplastless wrote: Who am I emailing the pages too? Is pdf ok? Or jpeg? To whomever you offered to mail them to. But placing your reply at the top makes it poor reading for many, difficult to reply to for some. Ok, I wilkl rake a look at it. Al, would you like the pages copied and mailed? Thank You for the offer. But I will order a copy of the book. No need to scan it. I prefer reading books than the web it is easier on my eyes. Al |
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#43
23-09-2007, 02:18 PM
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Al wrote:
I have a Black Walnut Tree that is growing wild in my yard. The tree has seed/nut on it. I would like to use the nuts to grow other Black Walnut trees on my property. How do I do this? Al I am sorry that I caused strife in the new group. Al |
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#44
23-09-2007, 02:28 PM
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dicko wrote:
On 18 Sep 2007 11:17:51 -0400, Jim Kingdon wrote: While scarifying is an alternative, it is not necessary, any more than stratification. It may influence germination, but in nature, it doesn't happen that much, scarification that is. Nursery's stratify black walnut, but seldom scarify, just as they stratify other seed. In nature, scarification happens by a seed coat being gradually worn away or a seed coat being cracked by freezing. Scarification is a way to speed this up (with cutting a notch and hot water seeming to be the preferred techniques). At least, that's what my book on propagating woody plants says. But each plant is different. And I don't know anything about black walnut in particular. Getting some instructions from someone who has propagated the particular plant in question is recommended. Sure in nature, the plant grows (somehow). But whether this happens quickly, or how many seeds are needed for one seeding, or whether the seed passes through the digestive tract of a bird or mammal in nature, or whether you can keep a seed in the ground for months/years and recognize it as a non-weed when it does come up, or whatever, make the garden situation often different. This link has a pamphlet written in 1910 on how to sprout black walnuts. http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/pr_histpubs...lers/sc013.asp -dickm I did a Google search on Black Walnuts and did not find any useful information. This pamphlet was very helpful - thank you. I am going to plant the seeds in pots with good garden soil and let them stay on my patio for the winter. I will cover the pots with wire to deter predation by squirrels. Hopefully some of them will sprout. Any sapling I would plant in the summer/fall of 2008. Thanks Again AL |
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#45
23-09-2007, 05:42 PM
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"symplastless" wrote in message news  Don why don't you leave these people alone? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Beware of so-called tree biologists who have never studied biology. |
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