...... ahahahaha.... but Scott Nudds, aka "VD for Vendicar" aka
m
everybody has known for years that you know a lot about shit:
...

Flattus "Blattus Slafaly"
farted and wrote:
Human crap is good for composting.

Scott Nudds wrote:
Well ---- No it isn't really.
If done on a large scale, ya. But on a small scale, - home
composting - it's both unsanitary and damages the compost.
Now if you have a new compost unit to start, then by all means,
throw a lump of dog shit into it, and wait until it's dark and take
a good long **** in it, and dump in some soil to get it activated.
Then Never again
Oh, and no grass clippings either - unless it's large scale.
The occasional broad leaf litter is ok though. But never large
amounts. Broad leaf litter will increase the carbon content of
the compost, while grass will increase the nitrogen content.
In both cases, too much will make it difficult to airate and
can cause it to start to smell.

hanson wrote:
VD Scotty listen. You should do more composting but
much, much less posting. It'll do you good... ahahahaha...
More fun with VD Scotty he
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...0dbab728?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.i...26530584?hl=en
Thanks for the laughs, VD Scotty.... ahahahahanson
..

On Aug 2, 1:27 am, "V for Vendicar"
m wrote:
"Blattus Slafaly" wrote

Human crap is good for composting.

Well ---- No it isn't really.

If done on a large scale, ya. But on a small scale, - home composting -
it's both unsanitary and damages the compost.

Now if you have a new compost unit to start, then by all means, throw a
lump of dog shit into it, and wait until it's dark and take a good long ****
in it, and dump in some soil to get it activated.

Then Never again

Oh, and no grass clippings either - unless it's large scale.

The occasional broad leaf litter is ok though. But never large amounts.

Broad leaf litter will increase the carbon content of the compost, while
grass will increase the nitrogen content. In both cases, too much will make
it difficult to airate and can cause it to start to smell.

When farming ( a few hundred acres), we avoided tilling in straw and
similar things because it bound up the nitrogen and the plants
couldn't easily access it. On the other hand, we grew cover crops
over the winter and tilled in the green in the spring, as "green
manure." Both could be a grass, the difference was whether it was dry
or green.

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:00:50 -0700,
(paghat) wrote:

In article , Blattus
Slafaly wrote:

Human crap is good for composting.

Would that include presidential speeches and books by Deepak Chopra?

-paghat the ratgirl

YES, it would include those, along with anything which overcharges to
learn about spirituality. When Chopra comes through Austin, they
charge 400 dollars for a three day event. No thanks. And they wonder
why people download off bittorrent.

What ever the market will bear. Must be something I can purchase for
peace of mind. How much can I sell nothing for ? Childlike bantered
about but we seem to want to remove it as soon as possible . Down with
sand lot and up with organized activities. NOT.

Bill who won't grow up.

PS Jack Benny DVD's now at amazon.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article , "V for Vendicar"
m wrote:

"Blattus Slafaly" wrote
Human crap is good for composting.

Well ---- No it isn't really.

If done on a large scale, ya. But on a small scale, - home composting -
it's both unsanitary and damages the compost.

Now if you have a new compost unit to start, then by all means, throw a
lump of dog shit into it, and wait until it's dark and take a good long ****
in it, and dump in some soil to get it activated.

Then Never again

Oh, and no grass clippings either - unless it's large scale.

The occasional broad leaf litter is ok though. But never large amounts.

Broad leaf litter will increase the carbon content of the compost, while
grass will increase the nitrogen content. In both cases, too much will make
it difficult to airate and can cause it to start to smell.

Here's the humanure website:
http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/
Here's teh site's page showing the wide range of humanure toilets:
http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/pho...lbum/index.htm

There's a condensed version of the Humanure Manual free at the webiste.
Bottom line is it makes EXCELLENT compost, which doesn't mean it's smart
to turn the regular compost pile into an open sesspool.

Home made humanure would be great stuff, so long as it reached the proper
sustained temperature for thermophilic decomposition. And it is NOT the
same as large-scale sewage treatment, which includes industrial waste, and
results in an inferior product to home-made humanure.

As for grass, it composts nicely if well mixed with other things in the
"browns" category. If kept in big piles by itself grass can melt into a
slime-slick, but in a proper mix of content, it works dandy. The more
grass in a mixed compost pile, the more it will have to be turned or
otherwise aerated. It also mixes well with rabbit shit or llama poo in a
redworm compost. Smartest though is to not remove grass clippings from the
lawn but to leave them as mulch, so as not to be constantly removing
nutrients.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

paghat wrote:
In article , "V for Vendicar"
m wrote:

"Blattus Slafaly" wrote
Human crap is good for composting.
Well ---- No it isn't really.

If done on a large scale, ya. But on a small scale, - home composting -
it's both unsanitary and damages the compost.

Now if you have a new compost unit to start, then by all means, throw a
lump of dog shit into it, and wait until it's dark and take a good long ****
in it, and dump in some soil to get it activated.

Then Never again

Oh, and no grass clippings either - unless it's large scale.

The occasional broad leaf litter is ok though. But never large amounts.

Broad leaf litter will increase the carbon content of the compost, while
grass will increase the nitrogen content. In both cases, too much will make
it difficult to airate and can cause it to start to smell.

Here's the humanure website:
http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/
Here's teh site's page showing the wide range of humanure toilets:
http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/pho...lbum/index.htm

There's a condensed version of the Humanure Manual free at the webiste.
Bottom line is it makes EXCELLENT compost, which doesn't mean it's smart
to turn the regular compost pile into an open sesspool.

Home made humanure would be great stuff, so long as it reached the proper
sustained temperature for thermophilic decomposition. And it is NOT the
same as large-scale sewage treatment, which includes industrial waste, and
results in an inferior product to home-made humanure.

As for grass, it composts nicely if well mixed with other things in the
"browns" category. If kept in big piles by itself grass can melt into a
slime-slick, but in a proper mix of content, it works dandy. The more
grass in a mixed compost pile, the more it will have to be turned or
otherwise aerated. It also mixes well with rabbit shit or llama poo in a
redworm compost. Smartest though is to not remove grass clippings from the
lawn but to leave them as mulch, so as not to be constantly removing
nutrients.

-paghat the ratgirl


Grass clipping mixes *really* well with newspaper strips. That's
probably the best combo you can use to get a new pile started. If you
check around, a lot of your neighbors probably bag their clippings and
set them out on the curb. Don't use too much of this if they have a
lawn service that uses lot's of 2,4-d herbicide (unless you like
lymphoma, etc)

Generally my own lawn produces too much clippings to mulch back in
during mid-spring and I bag them for compost once or twice. Then I
mulch them the rest of the season.

Bob

In article ,
"V for Vendicar" m
wrote:

"George.com" wrote
or some sort of enclosure made from whatever is cheap or free, heaps of
scraps, free worms which orgabnise themselves to the pile & time.

I haven't had any organic waste reach the curb in over 20 years. It's
all been nicely composted in a little black box outside by back door, 2
feet high, 2 feet wide, and 2 feet deep.

I hope your not joining the "Govenator" in talking about
"girlie men". Let's try to keep the wackos to the right of us.
Make that
It's amazing what KKKonservative AmeriKKKleptos spend their time whining
about.
and you'll have more agreement with your statement.

Unlike Saddam Hussein, the "Traitor" should have a fair trial and
a chance to provide testimony in on going investigations of
what-in-the-hell-has-been-going-on-for-the-last-eight-years-?,
before the punishment stage is arrived at.

But I think your on to something:O)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
dejure wrote:

On Aug 2, 1:27 am, "V for Vendicar"
m wrote:
"Blattus Slafaly" wrote

Human crap is good for composting.

Well ---- No it isn't really.

If done on a large scale, ya. But on a small scale, - home composting -
it's both unsanitary and damages the compost.

Now if you have a new compost unit to start, then by all means, throw a
lump of dog shit into it, and wait until it's dark and take a good long ****
in it, and dump in some soil to get it activated.

Then Never again

Oh, and no grass clippings either - unless it's large scale.

The occasional broad leaf litter is ok though. But never large amounts.

Broad leaf litter will increase the carbon content of the compost, while
grass will increase the nitrogen content. In both cases, too much will make
it difficult to airate and can cause it to start to smell.

When farming ( a few hundred acres), we avoided tilling in straw and
similar things because it bound up the nitrogen and the plants
couldn't easily access it. On the other hand, we grew cover crops
over the winter and tilled in the green in the spring, as "green
manure." Both could be a grass, the difference was whether it was dry
or green.

At first glance, it seems the difference is wet cellulose vs. dry
cellulose. Does the cellulose content increase with drying? The
increased nitrogen demand should come from having more organisms in the
soil. That nitrogen will stay in the soil in the form or micro-organisms.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:52:01 -0700 (PDT), Simon
wrote:

the times I've done that by accident, I've ended up with a stinking
mess, due to the anaerobic conditions (think pond scum, or if you live
in cold climates, the spring staunch when ice melts off the top of
ponds and lakes) . sure its good for the plants, after you let it
compost more in the open (aerobic conditions). but its not great if
you live by neighbors with sensitive noses.

thanks,
Simon

I have added yards of pond scum, azola, Anacharis, parrot feather,
algae and whatever else I can drag out of the water to the compost (My
spring-fed pond can be very active). There are fish, crayfish,
tadpoles and other things in it. It never has produced a foul odor,
maybe because I'm using round (rabbit) wire bins so more air gets to
the heaps. Strange to see the parrot feather still actively growing
after two weeks out of the water. A good cooking process should
produce steam and an earthy smell--but conditions may not be right all
the time. When it works as it should its almost magic especially if
you havn't seen it happen before. A gardener that doesn't have an
active compost pile is really missing something.

kT wrote:
RichD wrote:
The local grocery has a compost recycle bin,
for food scraps etc. Even the plates and utensils
go in there.

I was wondering, what constitutes 'composting'?
I mean, does it simply get dumped into a big grinder,
or is there some enzymatic chemistry involved?

And who/how/where receives it? Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?

That's an excellent question, actually.

There are two methods of compost, both work fine. The object is to keep
the kitchen scraps out of the dry garbage, it smells terrible and make
sorting it almost impossible, although most recyclers do the sorting for
you now, so even that isn't a adequate excuse for not recycling anymore.

The first method is to simply bury the compost in rich dark soil, or
even sand works. In this case nature just runs its course, although in
sand the ants do most of the work. Gotta love those ants.

Only IDIOTS use herbicides and pesticides.

The second preferred method is to mix the compost with leaves and grass
ABOVE GROUND in a geometry where the innoculant (some soil for instance)
can spread through the mix, and raise the heat in the center of the pile
to a high enough temperature where the plant material can break down
quicker, and only beneficial gases are produced. As you will quickly see
an entire civilization of bugs and insects and worms and bacteria will
quickly take charge of the situation and do most of the work for you.

All you have to do is turn over and mix the pile every once and a while.


I use the first method, which is called "direct composting". It works
fine for the little bit I have to compost, and I use leaves as mulch, so
they decompose and contribute to the mix as well. No turning is good
for my old back!

yip. once you get air into something smelly, it usually clears up
pretty soon.in general, the bacterias that cause foul orders can't
thrive in environments rich in oxygen.

Simon

Phisherman wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:52:01 -0700 (PDT), Simon
wrote:

the times I've done that by accident, I've ended up with a stinking
mess, due to the anaerobic conditions (think pond scum, or if you live
in cold climates, the spring staunch when ice melts off the top of
ponds and lakes) . sure its good for the plants, after you let it
compost more in the open (aerobic conditions). but its not great if
you live by neighbors with sensitive noses.

thanks,
Simon

I have added yards of pond scum, azola, Anacharis, parrot feather,
algae and whatever else I can drag out of the water to the compost (My
spring-fed pond can be very active). There are fish, crayfish,
tadpoles and other things in it. It never has produced a foul odor,
maybe because I'm using round (rabbit) wire bins so more air gets to
the heaps. Strange to see the parrot feather still actively growing
after two weeks out of the water. A good cooking process should
produce steam and an earthy smell--but conditions may not be right all
the time. When it works as it should its almost magic especially if
you havn't seen it happen before. A gardener that doesn't have an
active compost pile is really missing something.

On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?

No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.

In support of your smile: *When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. *This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). *The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. *People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. *For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. *The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. *Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... *On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. *Everything works
together, but we have a better way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."

--
Rich

RichD wrote:
On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?
No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.
In support of your smile: When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. Everything works
together, but we have a better way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."

Tough shit for the mammals, breeding uncontrollably.

In article , kT
wrote:

RichD wrote:
On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?
No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.
In support of your smile: When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. Everything works
together, but we have a better way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."

Tough shit for the mammals, breeding uncontrollably.

Other side of the coin.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/200/story/49121.html

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Bill wrote:
In article , kT
wrote:

RichD wrote:
On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?
No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.
In support of your smile: When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. Everything works
together, but we have a better way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."
Tough shit for the mammals, breeding uncontrollably.

Other side of the coin.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/200/story/49121.html

I guess you missed the class in elementary school where they explained
to you that Hispanics are not the only mammals in the world, and the
United States of America is only a small fraction of the planet Earth.

In article , kT
wrote:

Bill wrote:
In article , kT
wrote:

RichD wrote:
On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?
No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.
In support of your smile: When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. Everything works
together, but we have a better way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."
Tough shit for the mammals, breeding uncontrollably.

Other side of the coin.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/200/story/49121.html

I guess you missed the class in elementary school where they explained
to you that Hispanics are not the only mammals in the world, and the
United States of America is only a small fraction of the planet Earth.

Ya and i guess you did not read the whole article. Industrial a key
word.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA