Gunner Asch schrieb:

Its a given that you belong to the Cult of Veganism, despite your
claims of not being a missionary about it. Its bad enough that you are
an elitiist, no different than any fanatical fundy.

Its rather pathetic that you obviously consider your husband to be
stupid.

I wonder if he is aware of the depths of your contempt for him?

Again, Gunner makes it clear, the intarwebs and usenet is not the warm and
fuzzy place many want it to be. As a matter of cold fact, this place is
harsh, unforgiving and distrusting at it's core.

The only thing that keeps us going and gives us comfort is that Gunner is
full of it .

Karsten

--
Kludge, n.:
An ill-assorted collection of poorly-matching parts,
forming a distressing whole.
-- Jackson Granholm, "Datamation"

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:10:40 -0500, kT wrote:

Spelling flames, the last resort of the utter buffoon.
Get yourself an education, become a vegetarian!
Why would I want to change the course of 100 million years of
evolution?
Im an omnivore, and nature has so equipped me for that.
Ok, but what happens when all those humans consume all those mammals and
birds, are you prepared for that inevitability? Or do you just intend to
die first? Seriously, you must have some idea of what 10 billion human
blood sucking zombies in tattered clothing wandering around in the woods
is gonna do for the mammal and tree population, do you not?

Of course. They are gonna starve after they have eaten everything
edible, both animal and vegetable.

I fixed another spelling error.

What are YOU going to do when the crops fail?

Eat worms and bugs. I'm a survivor, remember?

Vegetarianism is simply a belief system that runs counter to biological
imperatives. Its most akin to religion...and in fact, can be a cult.

I fixed you spelling errors.

It's better than crawling around on your hands and knees eating grass.

So is being beaten within an inch of your life, over being shot in the
head point blank range.

Gunner, ever the kind and gentle optimist.

And?

Gunner, the gun nut, surrounded by guns, and nuts.

I think I'll eat those nuts.

Trust me on that.

Humans taste terrible, trust me.

Why would I want to trust a cult member?

Because I've been there. I survived. I know.

You havent answered the question. Because you claim to have survived a
cult..this makes you somehow credible?

No, it makes me a fun lovin freedom, lovin kind, survivin of guy.

I know that won't last forever, though, especially with the 10 billion
ignorant, hairy, smelly mammals all clamoring for the same bit of turf.

Jangchub wrote:
...I find it hard to believe in this day and age in
the developed countries people are still buying the Liebig methods,
even though on his death bed conceded that he was completely wrong
about NPK being all plants need.



Was "Liebig" someones actual name, or an ironic joke?

Best regards,
Bob

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:37:31 +0200, Karsten Kruse
wrote:

Gunner Asch schrieb:

Its a given that you belong to the Cult of Veganism, despite your
claims of not being a missionary about it. Its bad enough that you are
an elitiist, no different than any fanatical fundy.

Its rather pathetic that you obviously consider your husband to be
stupid.

I wonder if he is aware of the depths of your contempt for him?

Again, Gunner makes it clear, the intarwebs and usenet is not the warm and
fuzzy place many want it to be. As a matter of cold fact, this place is
harsh, unforgiving and distrusting at it's core.

The only thing that keeps us going and gives us comfort is that Gunner is
full of it .

Karsten


And you know that Gunner is correct.

And that burns your ass.


Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:07:07 -0500, kT wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:10:40 -0500, kT wrote:

Spelling flames, the last resort of the utter buffoon.
Get yourself an education, become a vegetarian!
Why would I want to change the course of 100 million years of
evolution?
Im an omnivore, and nature has so equipped me for that.
Ok, but what happens when all those humans consume all those mammals and
birds, are you prepared for that inevitability? Or do you just intend to
die first? Seriously, you must have some idea of what 10 billion human
blood sucking zombies in tattered clothing wandering around in the woods
is gonna do for the mammal and tree population, do you not?

Of course. They are gonna starve after they have eaten everything
edible, both animal and vegetable.

I fixed another spelling error.

Another anal retentive buffoon fixing things.

What are YOU going to do when the crops fail?

Eat worms and bugs. I'm a survivor, remember?

What...eat meat?

Vegetarianism is simply a belief system that runs counter to biological
imperatives. Its most akin to religion...and in fact, can be a cult.

I fixed you spelling errors.

Good. Im sure it makes your obsessive compulsive disorder much
better. Refer to Mark Twains quotes.

It's better than crawling around on your hands and knees eating grass.

So is being beaten within an inch of your life, over being shot in the
head point blank range.

Gunner, ever the kind and gentle optimist.

Optimism is for those who havent heard of Mr. Murphy.

And?

Gunner, the gun nut, surrounded by guns, and nuts.

I think I'll eat those nuts.

Admission of being gay is a good first step, but frankly, why bother,
no one cares.

Trust me on that.

Humans taste terrible, trust me.

Why would I want to trust a cult member?

Because I've been there. I survived. I know.

You havent answered the question. Because you claim to have survived a
cult..this makes you somehow credible?

No, it makes me a fun lovin freedom, lovin kind, survivin of guy.

How so?

I know that won't last forever, though, especially with the 10 billion
ignorant, hairy, smelly mammals all clamoring for the same bit of turf.

Now you know why we have guns.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

Gunner Asch wrote:

[snip mindless trolling]

I know that won't last forever, though, especially with the 10 billion
ignorant, hairy, smelly mammals all clamoring for the same bit of turf.

Now you know why we have guns.

Indeed, and I do hope you enjoy your life holed up in your fortress,
surrounded by guns, and nuts. Some of us have better things to do.

Gunner Asch schrieb:

The only thing that keeps us going and gives us comfort is that Gunner is
full of it .

And you know that Gunner is correct.

And that burns your ass.

Now that made me really laugh . I start to like your girl'ish responses.

Karsten

--
Kludge, n.:
An ill-assorted collection of poorly-matching parts,
forming a distressing whole.
-- Jackson Granholm, "Datamation"

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:38:42 -0500, kT wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

[snip mindless trolling]

I know that won't last forever, though, especially with the 10 billion
ignorant, hairy, smelly mammals all clamoring for the same bit of turf.

Now you know why we have guns.

Indeed, and I do hope you enjoy your life holed up in your fortress,
surrounded by guns, and nuts. Some of us have better things to do.

Why would I be holed up somewhere? Ive got guns.

You on the other hand will make a nice meat meal for non vegans.

I notice you didnt attempt to refute the rest of my post, and snipped
it away. You really didnt like the truth did you...pity...

Denial of the truth is a sign of a mental health disorder, or that of
a cult member.

I suspect you are both.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:29:53 +0200, Karsten Kruse
wrote:

Gunner Asch schrieb:

The only thing that keeps us going and gives us comfort is that Gunner is
full of it .

And you know that Gunner is correct.

And that burns your ass.

Now that made me really laugh . I start to like your girl'ish responses.

Karsten


Admitting english is not your first language explains your lack of
reading comprehension

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

In article , zxcvbob
wrote:

Jangchub wrote:
...I find it hard to believe in this day and age in
the developed countries people are still buying the Liebig methods,
even though on his death bed conceded that he was completely wrong
about NPK being all plants need.



Was "Liebig" someones actual name, or an ironic joke?

Best regards,
Bob

Justus von Liebig, "father" of argricultural toxification, who promoted
artificial fertilizers over natural ones. Never occurred to me but the pun
of his name is indeed ironic, & now I'll never be able to see his name
without thinking of that, thanks to you.

Liebig also invented ox blood cubes to be dissolved in water and drunk
down as a tonic or added to soups. A steaming cup of oxo and a blood
pudding ought to keep Dracula alive between fresh victims.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

This was stated by John F. Kennedy and attributed by him to Dante

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:20:07 -0700, Billy
wrote:

support her boss, Condi "The Butcher" Rice.


Racist bigot ****tard alert!


The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

What rock did I turn over now?;O)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

In article , kT
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:36:31 -0500, kT wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:13:51 -0500, kT wrote:

RichD wrote:
On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?
No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.
In support of your smile: When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. Everything works
together, but we have a better way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."
Tough shit for the mammals, breeding uncontrollably.
Until one of the preditors gets hungry enough and comes looking for
long pig and you happen to be available.
A predator that doesn't know how to spell, apparently.

Spelling flames, the last resort of the utter buffoon.
Get yourself an education, become a vegetarian!

Why would I want to change the course of 100 million years of
evolution?
Im an omnivore, and nature has so equipped me for that.

Ok, but what happens when all those humans consume all those mammals and
birds, are you prepared for that inevitability? Or do you just intend to
die first? Seriously, you must have some idea of what 10 billion human
blood sucking zombies in tattered clothing wandering around in the woods
is gonna do for the mammal and tree population, do you not?

Vegitarianism is simply a belief system that runs counter to biologica
imperatives. Its most akin to religion...and in fact, can be a cult.

It's better than crawling around on your hands and knees eating grass.

Trust me on that.

Humans taste terrible, trust me.

Why would I want to trust a cult member?

Because I've been there. I survived. I know.

You have no idea of where you are or your options.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:07:07 -0500, kT wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:10:40 -0500, kT wrote:

Spelling flames, the last resort of the utter buffoon.
Get yourself an education, become a vegetarian!
Why would I want to change the course of 100 million years of
evolution?
Im an omnivore, and nature has so equipped me for that.
Ok, but what happens when all those humans consume all those mammals and
birds, are you prepared for that inevitability? Or do you just intend to
die first? Seriously, you must have some idea of what 10 billion human
blood sucking zombies in tattered clothing wandering around in the woods
is gonna do for the mammal and tree population, do you not?

Of course. They are gonna starve after they have eaten everything
edible, both animal and vegetable.

I fixed another spelling error.

Another anal retentive buffoon fixing things.

What are YOU going to do when the crops fail?

Eat worms and bugs. I'm a survivor, remember?

What...eat meat?

Vegetarianism is simply a belief system that runs counter to biological
imperatives. Its most akin to religion...and in fact, can be a cult.

I fixed you spelling errors.

Good. Im sure it makes your obsessive compulsive disorder much
better. Refer to Mark Twains quotes.

It's better than crawling around on your hands and knees eating grass.

So is being beaten within an inch of your life, over being shot in the
head point blank range.

Gunner, ever the kind and gentle optimist.

Optimism is for those who havent heard of Mr. Murphy.

And?

Gunner, the gun nut, surrounded by guns, and nuts.

I think I'll eat those nuts.

Admission of being gay is a good first step, but frankly, why bother,
no one cares.

Trust me on that.

Humans taste terrible, trust me.

Why would I want to trust a cult member?

Because I've been there. I survived. I know.

You havent answered the question. Because you claim to have survived a
cult..this makes you somehow credible?

No, it makes me a fun lovin freedom, lovin kind, survivin of guy.

How so?

I know that won't last forever, though, especially with the 10 billion
ignorant, hairy, smelly mammals all clamoring for the same bit of turf.

Now you know why we have guns.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

In your worst nightmare, you know that if people know you have guns and
food, you go straight to the top of the list ;O)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

In article ,
z (Bruce Sinclair)
wrote:

In article
, Billy
wrote:
In article
,
RichD wrote:
On Jul 30, dejure wrote:
Is it really
superior to petrochemical fertilizer, or is it
guilty conscience liberal feelgoodism?

No, the petrochemical producs are better. They sell better
and the market doesn't lie.

In support of your smile: *When farming, we would dump around seven
hundred tons of compost on a single one hundred acre unit. *This
reduced our dependence on [incomplete] chemical fertilizers (heck, it
was winter, we had nothing else to do). *The biggest "upside" was we
were not growing nutritionally hollow food. *People often commented on
the better taste of things grown with compost and mineral
supplements. *For example, try a garden fresh tomato with good soil,
then try one from a hot house supplier. *The only reason we turned to
chemical (e.g., thousands of gallons of nitrogen pumped through the
irrigations circles) was to survive/compete on the market and, in the
end, the corn looked damn good. *Still, just like us humans, plants
are more than just a little nitrogen, potassium, and ....... *On a
side note, go look at the soil on many of the farms. It's dead.
FungiCIDES, pestiCIDES and so forth kill everything. *Everything works
together, but we have a better way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/sc...v.html?_r=1&em

"If everyone switched to organic farming, we couldn't
support the earth's current population - maybe half."

Nina V. Fedoroff' job is to support her boss, Condi "The Butcher" Rice.
She isn't going to say we could fix the food problem when the
administration won't. GMO crops don't produce more food. Large harvests
were possible with chemical fertilizers but as the top soil is destroyed
by them, more and more chem ferts need to be added to maintain
productivity. Organic farming from what I've been able to find can
produce more food per acre with mixed crops than chemical farming can
producing monocultures. Chem ferts and pesticides are killing the
fertility of our soils, polluting the environment, and they are made
from oil. We are already producing a third more grain crops than we
need and as a result, food processors spend billion$ every year to get
you to eat empty calories, usually with the hot buzz nutrient of the day
added.

We don't actually have a lack of resources ... we have too many people. This
will sort itself out one way or the other. The question here is not ...
'will the earth survive ?' It will. It has survived catastrophes before.
The real question is, how many people will be left once it has come to a new
equilibrium ?

As to feeding the world ... we ccould now ... if we want to. We don't ...
poor people don't have enough money to pay for it.

The real question is why don't we have leaders? Why are we drifting
towards a preventible disaster?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html