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and in China where they take health care very seriously they installed a communal
toilet so they could heat the "night soil" up sufficiently high degree that it kills the transmissible diseases before it was used. Ingrid Roy wrote: When I was in Korea, we had a row of porta potties set up along the military base perimeter fence line. There was perhaps 20 of them, and every day old pappa san would come in and pumpout these porta potties, and go outside the fence to his rice paddy and crop area and literally pump all this waste onto his crops. He had some mighty fine looking crops, however I would certainly not eat them. Its common for 3rd world countries to use human waste for fertilizer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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While it is true of HIV that it does not appear to be transmissible in urine, other
viruses do indeed survive in the air. For example, cold viruses are typically spread on door knobs and infectious virus of pox is present in the dried scabs. Ingrid Nope, it wouldn't be "little different", it would be NO different. The virus doesn't live in air. Philip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Which is why I limited my remarks to HIV alone. I just get tired of the
stupid remarks around a disease that has the potential of destroying entire nations. Look into what's happened in Africa regarding HIV and the destruction of a couple of generations of people. One UN ag deputy minister went into Africa for a meeting with minister from Nigeria, IIRC (it may have been Zimbabwe) and was met by the country's Minister of Agriculture. This was highly unusual, the meeting was a low level one. The minister explained that normally he'd have sent several deputies, but they had all died of AIDS. He then went on to say that AIDS has so decimated his country's farmers that famine is pretty well assured. Well, off my soapbox now, Philip wrote in message ... While it is true of HIV that it does not appear to be transmissible in urine, other viruses do indeed survive in the air. For example, cold viruses are typically spread on door knobs and infectious virus of pox is present in the dried scabs. Ingrid Nope, it wouldn't be "little different", it would be NO different. The virus doesn't live in air. Philip |
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"Warren" wrote in message news:_NEdb.453390$Oz4.259045@rwcrnsc54... wrote: Compared to fecal matter, urine is relatively sterile. Hell, compared to sweat or tears or mucus or even hair, urine is relatively sterile. Yet some very popular soil amendments are composted cow, horse and chicken fecal matter. For some strange reason we have a greater fear of urine than we do of fecal matter, yet urine is far safer. Yours is the first reasonable and knowledgeable post I've seen in this thread. Lana |
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from "Cereoid-UR12-" contains these words: Of course, none of YOUR friends could possibly have AIDS. They would all come out and tell everyone if they had the dreaded disease, Yes, these days they probably would. Among work colleagues and socially I know several people who are open about their HIV positive or AIDS status. Denial and ignorance of disease transmission routes are no protection at all. It's in all our interest to be properly informed about how and where AIDS risk occurs; which is not from peeing in compost heaps. Janet |
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In article , Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from "Cereoid-UR12-" contains these words: Of course, none of YOUR friends could possibly have AIDS. They would all come out and tell everyone if they had the dreaded disease, Yes, these days they probably would. Among work colleagues and socially I know several people who are open about their HIV positive or AIDS status. Denial and ignorance of disease transmission routes are no protection at all. It's in all our interest to be properly informed about how and where AIDS risk occurs; which is not from peeing in compost heaps. Janet Well, if any people were buried in the compost pile to evade a police helicopter during the meth lab bust, & the criminals were just laying under the pile with their soar-encrusted mouths wide open, then when Crazy Uncle Snookies went out to the pile to take a whizz, he might pass along something. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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wrote in message ... RIGHT... and so it is. That is how polio and many other diseases including some of the hepatitis viruses get passed around. Ingrid Merl Turkin wrote: As a kid you are brainwashed into thinking "pee pee nasty", "pee pee bad", it's total nonsense if you are healthy. Ingrid you are mistaken. In most people most of the time urine is sterile. The only time it is not is if the owner has a urinary tract infection. The microorganisms that cause many diseases that are communicable by contact, exchanging bodily fliuids, droplets in sneezes, etc don't generally cross over from the blood stream to the urine. See here http://www.engenderhealth.org/ip/disease/dtm2.html In the case of the UTI the bugs mostly get into the urine and surrounding tissue from the outside via the urethra not by crossing from the blood. In the home situation you are much more likely to exchange microbes with each other by touching, kissing, breathing etc than contact with the urine of another. The chance of getting such via urine when you have not got it by any of the more common methods would be slim indeed. My estimation is that the risk is vanishingly small. David |
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For some strange reason we have a greater fear of urine
than we do of fecal matter, yet urine is far safer. BRBR Actually, if you have nothing better and are out with the Special Forces eating spiders (or lost in the woods) its a useful topical antiseptic. zemedelec |
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For some strange reason we have a greater fear of urine
than we do of fecal matter, yet urine is far safer. BRBR Actually, if you have nothing better and are out with the Special Forces eating spiders (or lost in the woods) its a useful topical antiseptic. zemedelec |
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BTW, being HIV positive and urinating on the pile would be little
different than someone not infected doing the same. Nope, it wouldn't be "little different", it would be NO different. The virus doesn't live in air. You are incorrect. Most individuals who are HIV positive are also on a cocktail of medications to stay alive. Therefore the urine would not be the same -- there would be a variety of chemicals present that are not present in the urine of those not infected. Furthermore, each individual would likely not have the same biological processes, eating habits, and other factors that affect urine content. Ergo the statement that the two would be little different. Semantics aside, we're saying the same thing -- this aspect of the thread is purely idiotic. James |
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Agreed. Let's let the AIDS thing drop.
Philip "JNJ" wrote in message ... BTW, being HIV positive and urinating on the pile would be little different than someone not infected doing the same. Nope, it wouldn't be "little different", it would be NO different. The virus doesn't live in air. You are incorrect. Most individuals who are HIV positive are also on a cocktail of medications to stay alive. Therefore the urine would not be the same -- there would be a variety of chemicals present that are not present in the urine of those not infected. Furthermore, each individual would likely not have the same biological processes, eating habits, and other factors that affect urine content. Ergo the statement that the two would be little different. Semantics aside, we're saying the same thing -- this aspect of the thread is purely idiotic. James |
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Since you are "no one of importance", we can ignore your request.
If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist like Reagan did, that's your personal prerogative and don't try to impose it on anyone else. no one of importance wrote in message news:ciRdb.626636$YN5.452308@sccrnsc01... Agreed. Let's let the AIDS thing drop. Philip "JNJ" wrote in message ... BTW, being HIV positive and urinating on the pile would be little different than someone not infected doing the same. Nope, it wouldn't be "little different", it would be NO different. The virus doesn't live in air. You are incorrect. Most individuals who are HIV positive are also on a cocktail of medications to stay alive. Therefore the urine would not be the same -- there would be a variety of chemicals present that are not present in the urine of those not infected. Furthermore, each individual would likely not have the same biological processes, eating habits, and other factors that affect urine content. Ergo the statement that the two would be little different. Semantics aside, we're saying the same thing -- this aspect of the thread is purely idiotic. James |
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OK, maybe you didn't read the whole thread. I was agreeing with James that
the idea of AIDS being passed by urinating in a compost pile was pretty much stupid and should be dropped. Philip "Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message ... Since you are "no one of importance", we can ignore your request. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist like Reagan did, that's your personal prerogative and don't try to impose it on anyone else. no one of importance wrote in message news:ciRdb.626636$YN5.452308@sccrnsc01... Agreed. Let's let the AIDS thing drop. Philip "JNJ" wrote in message ... BTW, being HIV positive and urinating on the pile would be little different than someone not infected doing the same. Nope, it wouldn't be "little different", it would be NO different. The virus doesn't live in air. You are incorrect. Most individuals who are HIV positive are also on a cocktail of medications to stay alive. Therefore the urine would not be the same -- there would be a variety of chemicals present that are not present in the urine of those not infected. Furthermore, each individual would likely not have the same biological processes, eating habits, and other factors that affect urine content. Ergo the statement that the two would be little different. Semantics aside, we're saying the same thing -- this aspect of the thread is purely idiotic. James |
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