I agree with you, and there are some great teachers out there. Part of the
problem is parents who don't want the responsibility of teaching thier kids
because the kids interfere with thier lifestyle or they just plain don't
care. Fortunately some kid learn good manners and politeness and compassion
inspite of thier parents. There are 6 teachers, 1 ex-superintendent of
schools (my dad), and several professors and even a few owners of private
schools in my family.

Shell
wrote in message
...
excuse me... it is not the teachers responsibility to teach children how
to be polite
or how to behave. that is what their parents are for, they had em, they
should teach
em to behave and have respect.
My husband teaches high school and some of these kids dont know how to
shut their
mouths for 5 minutes. they cant stop talking, they dont know how to sit
still for 5
minutes. they were raised with absolutely no discipline. this is a
public CITY high
school, but the teachers in the burbs are saying the same thing about
their students.

I teach university kids and while they are somewhat more behaved they also
cheat
their asses off and very damn few of them were taught discipline at all.
and this
is a Catholic University. Ingrid

"Shell" wrote:
There is no politeness anymore and most people think only of themselves
and
thier own gratification. Sad but it's what the schools seem to be
teaching now.


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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:15:11 GMT, escapee
wrote:

I don't know what is wrong with people these days. Is it getting worse and
worse? I mean, America and American people seem to be civilized, but in a
barbaric way. Isn't anyone left who actually has respect for others' wishes or
anyone left with a modicum of decency? Boggling.

Well I'm 52, always been fat, so it's rare that I come across people
who *are* decent, mature, and considerate ;-) For the most part
though, there have always been people who are nice, some who are
jerks, obnoxious, and then dangerous. Always have been, always will
be. There are just more people now, and the more crowded together
they get, the worse they behave it seems. They don't talk with one
another except to shout epithets at one another in some ways, and when
they go out on the street, it's like everyone is trying to "get over"
on one another. What I've seen from the current generation .. they're
trying to emulate the ugly inner city world of drug culture and
violence where the life expectancy isn't very long. The (C)RAP craze
just spreads the hate. I guess there is some RAP that isn't 100%
negative, but I've not heard much of it playing whenever I do hear it,
it's not anything nice. LOL

So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)

Janice


On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:28:21 -0500, "Betsy" -0 opined:

Having been there and tried that with two former neighbors, I can attest
that it only works if the neighbor IS a reasonable adult.

You can try, but if you have any suspicions about a negative reaction then I
would not personally attempt it. But then, I'm a bit gun shy after my
former experiences.

"David J Bockman" wrote in message
. ..
What happened to

5. Talk to your neighbor like a reasonable adult?

Dave

"Snooze" wrote in message
. com...
You basicly have 4 choices:
1: put up with it and hope they move soon
2: call the police and report noise pollution, and hope they'll do
something
about it. The police are usually reluctant to get involved with that
they
percieve as neighboorhood feuds.
3: legal action?
4: fight fire with fire. People who like the beetles, probably don't
like
garth brooks. Play that equally loud

Sameer

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:15:11 GMT, escapee
wrote:

I don't know what is wrong with people these days. Is it getting worse and
worse? I mean, America and American people seem to be civilized, but in a
barbaric way. Isn't anyone left who actually has respect for others' wishes or
anyone left with a modicum of decency? Boggling.

Well I'm 52, always been fat, so it's rare that I come across people
who *are* decent, mature, and considerate ;-) For the most part
though, there have always been people who are nice, some who are
jerks, obnoxious, and then dangerous. Always have been, always will
be. There are just more people now, and the more crowded together
they get, the worse they behave it seems. They don't talk with one
another except to shout epithets at one another in some ways, and when
they go out on the street, it's like everyone is trying to "get over"
on one another. What I've seen from the current generation .. they're
trying to emulate the ugly inner city world of drug culture and
violence where the life expectancy isn't very long. The (C)RAP craze
just spreads the hate. I guess there is some RAP that isn't 100%
negative, but I've not heard much of it playing whenever I do hear it,
it's not anything nice. LOL

So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)

Janice


On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:28:21 -0500, "Betsy" -0 opined:

Having been there and tried that with two former neighbors, I can attest
that it only works if the neighbor IS a reasonable adult.

You can try, but if you have any suspicions about a negative reaction then I
would not personally attempt it. But then, I'm a bit gun shy after my
former experiences.

"David J Bockman" wrote in message
. ..
What happened to

5. Talk to your neighbor like a reasonable adult?

Dave

"Snooze" wrote in message
. com...
You basicly have 4 choices:
1: put up with it and hope they move soon
2: call the police and report noise pollution, and hope they'll do
something
about it. The police are usually reluctant to get involved with that
they
percieve as neighboorhood feuds.
3: legal action?
4: fight fire with fire. People who like the beetles, probably don't
like
garth brooks. Play that equally loud

Sameer

Rich wrote in news:kDG0c.7320$6c5.5090
@nwrdny01.gnilink.net:

oops, I forgot to ask, is this a pic-free group or are you allowed to
post pictures?

rich

People using telephone modems will hunt you down, strap you to a post with
your garden tools just out of arm's reach and force you to listen to your
neighbor's John Tesh's Greatest hits collection.

Janice wrote in
:

So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)

I despise lawyers, so if the OP (Rich?) doesn't go the magistrate route
(which shouldn't require any lawyers per so), and if he's upwind, an
alternative would be to start gardening with chicken shiiiii ... "manure".
But this will pretty much put the ix-nay on any hot bikini girls
celebrating in the area.

Janice wrote in
:

So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)

I despise lawyers, so if the OP (Rich?) doesn't go the magistrate route
(which shouldn't require any lawyers per so), and if he's upwind, an
alternative would be to start gardening with chicken shiiiii ... "manure".
But this will pretty much put the ix-nay on any hot bikini girls
celebrating in the area.

Salty Thumb wrote in
:

Rich wrote in news:kDG0c.7320$6c5.5090
@nwrdny01.gnilink.net:

oops, I forgot to ask, is this a pic-free group or are you allowed to
post pictures?

rich

People using telephone modems will hunt you down, strap you to a post
with your garden tools just out of arm's reach and force you to listen
to your neighbor's John Tesh's Greatest hits collection.

oh, actually, since you are on Verizon, the news server won't let you post
binary attachment to a non-binary group and will give you an error message.
Other ISPs may be less restrictive.

Further proof that we are barbaric in disguise. Disguised as civilized.


On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:58:25 GMT, "Shell" opined:

I agree with you, and there are some great teachers out there. Part of the
problem is parents who don't want the responsibility of teaching thier kids
because the kids interfere with thier lifestyle or they just plain don't
care. Fortunately some kid learn good manners and politeness and compassion
inspite of thier parents. There are 6 teachers, 1 ex-superintendent of
schools (my dad), and several professors and even a few owners of private
schools in my family.

Shell
wrote in message
...
excuse me... it is not the teachers responsibility to teach children how
to be polite
or how to behave. that is what their parents are for, they had em, they
should teach
em to behave and have respect.
My husband teaches high school and some of these kids dont know how to
shut their
mouths for 5 minutes. they cant stop talking, they dont know how to sit
still for 5
minutes. they were raised with absolutely no discipline. this is a
public CITY high
school, but the teachers in the burbs are saying the same thing about
their students.

I teach university kids and while they are somewhat more behaved they also
cheat
their asses off and very damn few of them were taught discipline at all.
and this
is a Catholic University. Ingrid

"Shell" wrote:
There is no politeness anymore and most people think only of themselves
and
thier own gratification. Sad but it's what the schools seem to be
teaching now.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:51:37 -0700, Janice
opined:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:15:11 GMT, escapee
wrote:

I don't know what is wrong with people these days. Is it getting worse and
worse? I mean, America and American people seem to be civilized, but in a
barbaric way. Isn't anyone left who actually has respect for others' wishes or
anyone left with a modicum of decency? Boggling.

Well I'm 52, always been fat, so it's rare that I come across people
who *are* decent, mature, and considerate ;-) For the most part
though, there have always been people who are nice, some who are
jerks, obnoxious, and then dangerous. Always have been, always will
be. There are just more people now, and the more crowded together
they get, the worse they behave it seems. They don't talk with one
another except to shout epithets at one another in some ways, and when
they go out on the street, it's like everyone is trying to "get over"
on one another. What I've seen from the current generation .. they're
trying to emulate the ugly inner city world of drug culture and
violence where the life expectancy isn't very long. The (C)RAP craze
just spreads the hate. I guess there is some RAP that isn't 100%
negative, but I've not heard much of it playing whenever I do hear it,
it's not anything nice. LOL

So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)

Janice

That's a shame, really.

I watched my neighbor come home tonight at 6:30. Her husband had been home
since about 4pm. Yet, she had her 4 year old in tow. In other words, that kid
was in daycare since 6:15am this morning, till 6:30pm. I guess it's easier when
they say, "oh, she isn't in daycare, she goes to Montessori.

The message
from Janice contains these words:

Well I'm 52, always been fat, so it's rare that I come across people
who *are* decent, mature, and considerate ;-)

That doesn't make sense. Are you saying decent mature considerate
people avoid you?

Janet

The message
from Janice contains these words:

Well I'm 52, always been fat, so it's rare that I come across people
who *are* decent, mature, and considerate ;-)

That doesn't make sense. Are you saying decent mature considerate
people avoid you?

Janet

Salty Thumb wrote:

Janice wrote in
:


So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)


I despise lawyers, so if the OP (Rich?) doesn't go the magistrate route
(which shouldn't require any lawyers per so), and if he's upwind, an
alternative would be to start gardening with chicken shiiiii ... "manure".
But this will pretty much put the ix-nay on any hot bikini girls
celebrating in the area.
**************
Well, my neightbor directly next door IS an ex model and DOES sometimes
sunbathe.........I wouldn't want to offend her bathing sessions BG

Rich

Salty Thumb wrote:

Rich wrote in news:kDG0c.7320$6c5.5090
@nwrdny01.gnilink.net:


oops, I forgot to ask, is this a pic-free group or are you allowed to
post pictures?

rich


People using telephone modems will hunt you down, strap you to a post with
your garden tools just out of arm's reach and force you to listen to your
neighbor's John Tesh's Greatest hits collection.
***********************************
Promises promises promises BG

rich

Salty Thumb wrote:

Janice wrote in
:


So, nope not a lot of folks who aren't hostile, and since they won't
calm down and talk, just continue to make the USA the most litigious
country around! ;-)


I despise lawyers, so if the OP (Rich?) doesn't go the magistrate route
(which shouldn't require any lawyers per so), and if he's upwind, an
alternative would be to start gardening with chicken shiiiii ... "manure".
But this will pretty much put the ix-nay on any hot bikini girls
celebrating in the area.
**************
Well, my neightbor directly next door IS an ex model and DOES sometimes
sunbathe.........I wouldn't want to offend her bathing sessions BG

Rich

Salty Thumb wrote:

Rich wrote in news:kDG0c.7320$6c5.5090
@nwrdny01.gnilink.net:


oops, I forgot to ask, is this a pic-free group or are you allowed to
post pictures?

rich


People using telephone modems will hunt you down, strap you to a post with
your garden tools just out of arm's reach and force you to listen to your
neighbor's John Tesh's Greatest hits collection.
***********************************
Promises promises promises BG

rich