"Kenty ;-)" wrote:

you would look right walking around the garden like that !! ;-) just to dead
head-get real.
kenty
snip


I'm sorry, but...am _I_ the dead head?

Look...I'm just trying to be helpful and friendly here...and surely this _is_
getting real....it's about health and safety!!!

We don't all follow the advice, do we? I certianly don't....but I was only
trying to point out the fallacy of getting worked up over Sphag Moss!


Jeesh...try to be a little helpful....

Sorry if I'm not the dead-head...but then, who is?

you would look right walking around the garden like that !! ;-) just to
dead
head-get real.
kenty
snip

I'm sorry, but...am _I_ the dead head?
Look...I'm just trying to be helpful and friendly here...and surely this
_is_
getting real....it's about health and safety!!!
We don't all follow the advice, do we? I certianly don't....but I was only
trying to point out the fallacy of getting worked up over Sphag Moss!
Jeesh...try to be a little helpful....
Sorry if I'm not the dead-head...but then, who is?


It's really difficult for me to tell if you're being funny or not... so I'll
put my foot in... in case you don't know this, dead-heading is removing the
spent flowers from flowering plants. The other poster meant it would seem a
little extreme to most folks to put on an environment suit just to snip a
few dead flowers off their stalks, however recommended.
--Katrina


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thanks Katrina,you got it.I wasn't being horrible just putting my point
across in a funny sort of way,maybe I should have put it another way,but
maybe now you know what I meant by deadheading you will find this funny,I
do! ;-)
cheers kenty
"White Monkey" wrote in message
m...
you would look right walking around the garden like that !! ;-) just
to
dead
head-get real.
kenty
snip

I'm sorry, but...am _I_ the dead head?
Look...I'm just trying to be helpful and friendly here...and surely this
_is_
getting real....it's about health and safety!!!
We don't all follow the advice, do we? I certianly don't....but I was
only
trying to point out the fallacy of getting worked up over Sphag Moss!
Jeesh...try to be a little helpful....
Sorry if I'm not the dead-head...but then, who is?


It's really difficult for me to tell if you're being funny or not... so
I'll
put my foot in... in case you don't know this, dead-heading is removing
the
spent flowers from flowering plants. The other poster meant it would seem
a
little extreme to most folks to put on an environment suit just to snip a
few dead flowers off their stalks, however recommended.
--Katrina


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White Monkey wrote:

you would look right walking around the garden like that !! ;-) just to
dead
head-get real.
kenty
snip

I'm sorry, but...am _I_ the dead head?
Look...I'm just trying to be helpful and friendly here...and surely this
_is_
getting real....it's about health and safety!!!
We don't all follow the advice, do we? I certianly don't....but I was only
trying to point out the fallacy of getting worked up over Sphag Moss!
Jeesh...try to be a little helpful....
Sorry if I'm not the dead-head...but then, who is?

It's really difficult for me to tell if you're being funny or not... so I'll
put my foot in... in case you don't know this, dead-heading is removing the
spent flowers from flowering plants. The other poster meant it would seem a
little extreme to most folks to put on an environment suit just to snip a
few dead flowers off their stalks, however recommended.
--Katrina

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Ha yes...thankyou....

But still, my mysterious question remains (and it gets even more mysterious):

Who _is_ the Dead Head?


*cure outer limits music*


--

'You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,' said Aslan. 'And that is both
honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow
the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be content.'

http://spiltink.alphalink.com.au
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/f...r_aod_bugs.txt - Now with 33
bugs!

Who _is_ the Dead Head?

I am the walrus...

*cure outer limits music*

I don't think the Cure DID the Outer Limits Theme...

--Katrina




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are you being serious! you could be the dead head after all ;-).
kenty
"Dragoncarer" u wrote in
message news:3faf12e9@news...
White Monkey wrote:

you would look right walking around the garden like that !! ;-) just
to
dead
head-get real.
kenty
snip

I'm sorry, but...am _I_ the dead head?
Look...I'm just trying to be helpful and friendly here...and surely
this
_is_
getting real....it's about health and safety!!!
We don't all follow the advice, do we? I certianly don't....but I was
only
trying to point out the fallacy of getting worked up over Sphag Moss!
Jeesh...try to be a little helpful....
Sorry if I'm not the dead-head...but then, who is?

It's really difficult for me to tell if you're being funny or not... so
I'll
put my foot in... in case you don't know this, dead-heading is removing
the
spent flowers from flowering plants. The other poster meant it would
seem a
little extreme to most folks to put on an environment suit just to snip
a
few dead flowers off their stalks, however recommended.
--Katrina

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Ha yes...thankyou....

But still, my mysterious question remains (and it gets even more
mysterious):

Who _is_ the Dead Head?


*cure outer limits music*


--

'You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,' said Aslan. 'And that is
both
honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to
bow
the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be content.'

http://spiltink.alphalink.com.au
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/f...r_aod_bugs.txt - Now
with 33
bugs!

White Monkey wrote:

Who _is_ the Dead Head?

I am the walrus...

*cure outer limits music*

I don't think the Cure DID the Outer Limits Theme...

--Katrina

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sorry no, poor spelling...ha! *embarrassed chucle*

I meant, by 'cure' 'cue', hence:

'cue outer limits music'


--

'You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,' said Aslan. 'And that is
both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame
enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be
content.'

http://spiltink.alphalink.com.au
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/f...r_aod_bugs.txt - Now
with 33 bugs!

Michael Gerzog wrote:
Pure coincidence. The infection you're referring to -- sporotrichosis
- is fungal and pretty rare unless you have a compromised immune
system. I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV, but I'm willing to
hazard the guess that a fungal sinus or (typical) "ear infection"
would be one for the record books....

I contracted sporotrichosis many years ago (in my 20s) when I was using
spagnum in repotting a Crown of Thorns.

A lump developed on my left index finger that I thought nothing of for a
while. It didn't hurt and was only a little red. Thought I might have a
splinter or something and it would work its way out.

When smaller lumps began to appear on the back of my hand and then up my
arm, I took myself to a doctor and was given the diagnosis. It was very
rare and I was asked if I would volunteer to be seen by a stream of
doctors at a city hospital, most of whom had never seen this infection.

The doctor first cleaned out the finger lesion - down to the bone (ouch)
- and gave me stuff to put in my orange juice. Nasty nasty. Iodine or
something.

I did get better but it took a long time - several months as I recall.
Prior to this I had been very healthy and didn't really feel sick with
this but was told that it could cause internal problems if not dealt with.

So... not as rare as I would have liked. And was probably infected after
being scratched by the thorns without even knowing it.

I'm sure all of this is more than any of you wanted or needed to know. I
haven't used spagnum moss since for any purpose.

Hi Nell, Interesting but traumatic event for you. Sporothichosis has been
discussed in the past but
have never heard anybody actually get the infection?
Were you using the green live sphagnum moss or the stuff that people use
nowadays that is
bleached looking & dead?
I saw a photo of a bad case & it looked terrible.
Cheers Wendy
"Nell" wrote in message
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Michael Gerzog wrote:
Pure coincidence. The infection you're referring to -- sporotrichosis
- is fungal and pretty rare unless you have a compromised immune
system. I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV, but I'm willing to
hazard the guess that a fungal sinus or (typical) "ear infection"
would be one for the record books....

I contracted sporotrichosis many years ago (in my 20s) when I was using
spagnum in repotting a Crown of Thorns.

A lump developed on my left index finger that I thought nothing of for a
while. It didn't hurt and was only a little red. Thought I might have a
splinter or something and it would work its way out.

When smaller lumps began to appear on the back of my hand and then up my
arm, I took myself to a doctor and was given the diagnosis. It was very
rare and I was asked if I would volunteer to be seen by a stream of
doctors at a city hospital, most of whom had never seen this infection.

The doctor first cleaned out the finger lesion - down to the bone (ouch)
- and gave me stuff to put in my orange juice. Nasty nasty. Iodine or
something.

I did get better but it took a long time - several months as I recall.
Prior to this I had been very healthy and didn't really feel sick with
this but was told that it could cause internal problems if not dealt with.

So... not as rare as I would have liked. And was probably infected after
being scratched by the thorns without even knowing it.

I'm sure all of this is more than any of you wanted or needed to know. I
haven't used spagnum moss since for any purpose.

Nell wrote in message t.cable.rogers.com...


So... not as rare as I would have liked. And was probably infected after
being scratched by the thorns without even knowing it.


Ouch, that sucks! But it is still pretty rare, I've been into
gardening for 30 years and you're only the second person I've ever
heard from who actually got infected. (I had chicken pox twice, so I
can relate to some extent to suffering from unusual occurences, though
at least that didn't take months to get over.) And insofar as this
thread is concerned, you didn't get a sinus or ear infection!

The thorn business is apparently common to many sporotrichinal
infections, I hear it's most common among rose growers who obviously
have the thorn thing to deal with on a regular basis. Another thing
to keep in mind, in general, is that the spores are not present only
in sphaghnum, but in garden soil, etc., etc. (It may vary
geographically, just like salmonella is more common on the East Coast
of the US, and botulism in the West.) It is wise to take some
precautions, at least washing your hands *thoroughly* after handling
any potting material, but IMHO not worth making yourself crazy over.


MG

It is wise to take some
precautions, at least washing your hands *thoroughly* after handling
any potting material, but IMHO not worth making yourself crazy over.
MG

Gotta agree. There is just so much that can happen.... Tangential to the
thorns issue, I was bitten on the right forefinger knuckle a few years ago
by a perfectly ordinary large garden spider. I have been bitten by them
before, in California, several times, and, because their fangs are really
very short (so it takes a pretty big spider to get through your skin at
all), it just causes a localized mild burning and itching sensation and some
faint redness, usually only bad enough to keep having to remind myself not
to scratch it against my bluejeans periodically. This was the first time I'd
been bitten by one here in Europe, and the effect was the same, so I went on
gardening in some long-standing soil in an outdoor tub supporting various
semi-local flowering foliage.About two hours later, the entire side of my
finger erupted in very badly itching and burning tiny blisters. I could
watch them grow. JUST before I decided I'd better seek some medical
attention, it stopped spreading, so I kept an eye on it and started
research. It didn't take long to find out it just had to be dishydrotic
eczema, and that this can develop suddenly after subcutaneous exposure to
various soil fungi, most often through being bitten by a garden spider,
which usually have these fungi all over their fangs. Any time I work in
local soil without gloves, even now four or five years later, it comes back.
Go figure.
--Katrina


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This is a long thread and I didn't read it all so I don't know if anybody
posted the name of the disease and a location where you can get "official"
information about it.

The disease is called Sporotrichosis
and here is a link to info about it on the Centers for Disease control
website:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/disea...richosis_g.htm

You could read what the CDC has to say about it and even if you conclude
that you illness is not sporotrichosis, perhaps you should also see a doctor
unless the swollen and painful mess you say describe as your nose has
returned to normal. A second or even third opinion from the medical experts
in this newsgroup may also be called for. :-)

"bb" wrote in message
...
I was reading about sphagnum moss and there was a warning about using
gloves and a particle mask when working with it. Seems the stuff can
cause a nasty infection.

Well, last week I potted a couple plants using sphagnum, and of
course, used no mask. I now have a nasty sinus infection like I've
never had before. For a couple of days the only symptom was my whole
nose was very sore, like I had been punched. In the last two days
it's turned into a swollen, painful mess.

Anyone have any similar experiences? I'd like to have an idea if it's
a coincidence, or a result of the sphagnum contact.

bb

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:19:08 -0500, "Al" wrote:

You could read what the CDC has to say about it and even if you conclude
that you illness is not sporotrichosis, perhaps you should also see a doctor
unless the swollen and painful mess you say describe as your nose has
returned to normal.

I'm glad to say it's finally over. I'm no wimp when it comes to pain,
but whatever it was kicked my nose and eye's butt. I wouldn't wish it
on anyone. It was unlike anything I'd ever had before.

A second or even third opinion from the medical experts
in this newsgroup may also be called for. :-)

I don't know what all the bellyaching about heath care in this country
(US) is about. I can get expert medical advice not only from
virtually all the news groups, but from most anyone I talk to. I find
with doctors they want to know all the symptoms. But, with common
folk, just mention one symptom and they already know what it is you
have, someone who just had it (usually themselves), and how to treat
it (usually by taking some left over antibiotics they didn't finish
taking).

bb

I was using the fresh, wet stuff. Heavey knows why. I wasn't up on my
mosses back then and just grabbed the first thing I found. I suspect I
was intending to buy peat moss because I can't imagine what sphagnum
moss would do for a crown of thorns.
N.

Wendy wrote:
Hi Nell, Interesting but traumatic event for you. Sporothichosis has been
discussed in the past but
have never heard anybody actually get the infection?
Were you using the green live sphagnum moss or the stuff that people use
nowadays that is
bleached looking & dead?
I saw a photo of a bad case & it looked terrible.
Cheers Wendy

Well? I guess that is a bad combo, glad you are ok. Cheers Wendy
"Nell" wrote in message
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I was using the fresh, wet stuff. Heavey knows why. I wasn't up on my
mosses back then and just grabbed the first thing I found. I suspect I
was intending to buy peat moss because I can't imagine what sphagnum
moss would do for a crown of thorns.
N.

Wendy wrote:
Hi Nell, Interesting but traumatic event for you. Sporothichosis has
been
discussed in the past but
have never heard anybody actually get the infection?
Were you using the green live sphagnum moss or the stuff that people
use
nowadays that is
bleached looking & dead?
I saw a photo of a bad case & it looked terrible.
Cheers Wendy