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Pond netting
I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish
out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net over it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect of making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve |
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SteveEB wrote: I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net over it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect of making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Worth a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. |
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"SteveEB" wrote in message ... I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net over it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect of making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve Yes, netting sure detracts from the appearance. But I did the same, but used gray PVC, (elec. conduit). Used the sweep type connectors, only glued the cross piece to the sweep, the other end was able to disconnect fron the upright. I used a power nozzel on my water hose to bore a 6-8 inch holes to insert one size larger PVC pipe into, to hold the uprights. Upright "post" were about 3 ft long. Don't you just hate having a McDonald's for birds in your yard?? |
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"Rick Samuel" wrote in message ... "SteveEB" wrote in message ... Don't you just hate having a McDonald's for birds in your yard?? Our birds get quite testy when I go out and eat their blue berries.... |
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On Jul 14, 7:48 pm, San Diego Joe wrote:
SteveEB wrote: I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net over it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect of making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Worth a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. Thanks Joe, I didn't really want to get one of those. There's something about it being attached to the water mains that puts me off. Steve |
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"SteveEB" wrote in message ... On Jul 14, 7:48 pm, San Diego Joe wrote: SteveEB wrote: I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net over it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect of making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Worth a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. Thanks Joe, I didn't really want to get one of those. There's something about it being attached to the water mains that puts me off. ============================ If the hose splits while you are away prepare yourself for a huge water bill and flooded yard. A lawsuit if someone's basement gets flooded. A "scarecrow" is useless for diving birds but would probably work for birds like herons. Beware though, someone posted a pic of a heron who outsmarted one of these sprayers. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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I had good luck with a fake fish decoy and a kingfisher.
Unfortunately we haven't been able to find the cheap, orange plastic goldfish first marketed as a 'heron scarer' (apparently the heron was supposed to be scared when it grabbed it and found it anchored to a rock). The kingfisher sure got PO-ed about not being able to pull the decoy out of the pond after six tries. There are other fake fish out there but they are sold as decorative items. k :-) |
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On 16 Jul, 13:34, "Reel McKoi" wrote:
"SteveEB" wrote in message ... On Jul 14, 7:48 pm, San Diego Joe wrote: SteveEB wrote: I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net ove r it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect o f making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Worth a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. Thanks Joe, I didn't really want to get one of those. There's something about it being attached to the water mains that puts me off. ========================== If the hose splits while you are away prepare yourself for a huge water b ill and flooded yard. A lawsuit if someone's basement gets flooded. A "scarecrow" is useless for diving birds but would probably work for birds like herons. Beware though, someone posted a pic of a heron who outsmarte d one of these sprayers. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö Yes, I'm going to stick with my original idea of making some frames with criss-crossed fishing wire to go over the pond. Does anyone think it would be unwise to use wood to make the frames from. I remember reading on this newsgroup about someone who put wood into the pond as a ramp for newts but shortly afterwards the fish all died. Steve |
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I had thought that they used to permeate pressure treated lumber with
cyanide (I was wrong -it was arsenic) - I was told that isn't done anymore (real health hazard for people cutting it up) - from what I have found they now use forms of copper minus the arsenic. I know that they still will not cut it for you in Home Depot so it is still poisonous. If it is not going in the water, I would think it should not be a problem but why take the chance and why not use plain lumber that you seal with an oil based product for boats or use gray plastic piping? I would certainly seal the pressure treated lumber if you do use it. I have hiding caves for my fish where the go when birds are around - actually they seldom come to the surface unless I'm around. I use something similar to a plastic milk crate that I either lay on its side or upside down (for the baby fish to hide in). http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infpre.html Donna "SteveEB" wrote in message ... On 16 Jul, 13:34, "Reel McKoi" wrote: "SteveEB" wrote in message ... On Jul 14, 7:48 pm, San Diego Joe wrote: SteveEB wrote: I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fish out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net ove r it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect o f making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there will be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable and I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Worth a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. Thanks Joe, I didn't really want to get one of those. There's something about it being attached to the water mains that puts me off. ======== = If the hose splits while you are away prepare yourself for a huge water b ill and flooded yard. A lawsuit if someone's basement gets flooded. A "scarecrow" is useless for diving birds but would probably work for birds like herons. Beware though, someone posted a pic of a heron who outsmarte d one of these sprayers. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö Yes, I'm going to stick with my original idea of making some frames with criss-crossed fishing wire to go over the pond. Does anyone think it would be unwise to use wood to make the frames from. I remember reading on this newsgroup about someone who put wood into the pond as a ramp for newts but shortly afterwards the fish all died. Steve |
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SteveEB wrote: On 16 Jul, 13:34, "Reel McKoi" wrote: "SteveEB" wrote in message .... On Jul 14, 7:48 pm, San Diego Joe wrote: SteveEB wrote: I have been having a problem with seagulls and cormorants taking fis h out of my raised pond and I've cured the problem by putting a net ov e r it. However, the net looks ugly and has the unfortunate side effect o f making things difficult for frogs, newts, dragonflies etc. I'm considering making some wooden frames with fishing wire criss- crossed on them to lay over the pond. I reckon they'd be easier to redeploy if I remove them when we have visitors over, plus there wil l be better access for desirable pond visitors. I wonder if anyone has any better ideas or any experience. I'm particularly interested to know what size holes might be suitable an d I'm also wondering if there might be an issue with spanning the pond with treated wood that might drip nastiness into the pond when it rains. Thanks, Steve I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Wort h a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. Thanks Joe, I didn't really want to get one of those. There's something about it being attached to the water mains that puts me off. ========================= If the hose splits while you are away prepare yourself for a huge water b ill and flooded yard. A lawsuit if someone's basement gets flooded. A "scarecrow" is useless for diving birds but would probably work for bi rds like herons. Beware though, someone posted a pic of a heron who outsma rte d one of these sprayers. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö Yes, I'm going to stick with my original idea of making some frames with criss-crossed fishing wire to go over the pond. Does anyone think it would be unwise to use wood to make the frames from. I remember reading on this newsgroup about someone who put wood into the pond as a ramp for newts but shortly afterwards the fish all died. Steve I have an entire tree laying in my pond for the turtle to sun himself on. I think as long as you don't use treated wood you should be okay. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:58:50 EDT, SteveEB
wrote: I would consider a scarecrow. It's a motion activated sprinkler. Worth a shot. I agree the netting looks ugly. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. Thanks Joe, I didn't really want to get one of those. There's something about it being attached to the water mains that puts me off. Steve We hard piped our motion sprinkler in, no problems. I'm just not sure they'd work on seagulls and cormorants, aren't those diving birds? What I did for similar birds (kingfisher here) was request as a gift a long pole that they use for kites at Canyon beach. http://www.bestnest.com/bestnest/RTP...FIBPOLE-BLK-31 This dangles over the middle of the pond with a mobile of small mirrors. The mirrors catch the light and all these little points of light dance around the pond where there is shade. Birds hate mirrors and things that flutter. Or you can get one of these wind socks called the Laser Holographic: http://www.aboveitallkites.com//merc...cks.lasersocks I use both mirrors and the Laser sock above. No birds.... but they don't do diddly for the raccoons.s ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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"SteveEB" wrote in message ... Yes, I'm going to stick with my original idea of making some frames with criss-crossed fishing wire to go over the pond. Does anyone think it would be unwise to use wood to make the frames from. I remember reading on this newsgroup about someone who put wood into the pond as a ramp for newts but shortly afterwards the fish all died. ======================== Avoid treated wood. It's toxic to fish. Do remember that bullfrogs, snakes and snapping turtles also eat fish. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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"kathy" wrote in message ... I had good luck with a fake fish decoy and a kingfisher. Unfortunately we haven't been able to find the cheap, orange plastic goldfish first marketed as a 'heron scarer' (apparently the heron was supposed to be scared when it grabbed it and found it anchored to a rock). The kingfisher sure got PO-ed about not being able to pull the decoy out of the pond after six tries. There are other fake fish out there but they are sold as decorative items. ========================== Our Kingfisher got wise quickly after grabbing the rubber fake and went after the real fish. Since I found the rubber fish on the lawn (still tethered to a brick in the pond) he grabbed it twice or two birds were involved. I guess some birds are dumber or more desperate than others. I got my fakies down in Atlanta at a store that sold all kinds of weird things. :-D I got a few koi and a few goldfish. Since the rubber fish don't "move" and herons are not carrion eaters, they ignored them for the most part and went for the live fish. I say give everything a try and if fish are still being lost... then get a net. -- RM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö |
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"kathy" wrote in message
I had good luck with a fake fish decoy and a kingfisher. Unfortunately we haven't been able to find the cheap, orange plastic goldfish first marketed as a 'heron scarer' (apparently the heron was supposed to be scared when it grabbed it and found it anchored to a rock). The kingfisher sure got PO-ed about not being able to pull the decoy out of the pond after six tries. There are other fake fish out there but they are sold as decorative items. I totally forgot about these, I also have a school of the small orange plastic "heron scarer" fish. Unfortunately it is only the big fat "decorative" ones I seem to be able to find on-line now days. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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