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QT tank delima new sick fish
Hey all,
I have a few fish in my QT tank ever since the weather turned cold. QT is just a 10 gallon aquarium. All the fish but one are ready to go back to the pond. I have a another fish in the pond with a white fungus who needs treatment: we've been having some wild temperature swings lately. Can I move the well fish into the pond (there is a significant temperature difference)? Pond temp is around 55 right now; QT tank is around 65. Should I put the fish with fungus in with the almost well fish? The almost well one was the one who was scaled alive in the skimmer. Almost all his scales have come back but he as completely different markings now. He is a much prettier fish with black and orange a white. Before he was mainly orange and a little white. BTW: I only lost one fish to the great skimmer disaster of 2005. Mark B. |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
"mark Bannister" wrote in message ... Hey all, I have a few fish in my QT tank ever since the weather turned cold. QT is just a 10 gallon aquarium. All the fish but one are ready to go back to the pond. I have a another fish in the pond with a white fungus who needs treatment: we've been having some wild temperature swings lately. Fungus? How is the water QUALITY in your pond? Healthy fish in good water shouldn't be getting funguses or suffer bacterial infections. Can I move the well fish into the pond (there is a significant temperature difference)? Pond temp is around 55 right now; QT tank is around 65. Float them in a plastic bag for awhile. That's a large difference. How about a difference in PH between the tank and the pond? Should I put the fish with fungus in with the almost well fish? The almost well one was the one who was scaled alive in the skimmer. Almost all his scales have come back but he as completely different markings now. He is a much prettier fish with black and orange a white. Before he was mainly orange and a little white. BTW: I only lost one fish to the great skimmer disaster of 2005. Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: NEW PAGE: Aquariums: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
Koi-lo wrote:
snip Fungus? How is the water QUALITY in your pond? Healthy fish in good water shouldn't be getting funguses or suffer bacterial infections. Hmmm, water quality has been testing just fine. I haven't checked it lately. I've been told that water temperature swings are stressful on the fish and I assumed that was the issue. The fish only got sick when the temperature swings up or down. When it's 20 degrees F for a week and then 70's the following week the fish see a pretty wide temp swing. snip Float them in a plastic bag for awhile. That's a large difference. How about a difference in PH between the tank and the pond? I haven't checked the PH. What would be significant? |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
10o drop is too much in 1 day. 10 gallons is too small for QT, how about a 40 gallon
rubbermaid tub? the fish with white fungus might well be columnaris ... especially if this is on the caudal puduncle. you need to salt dip this fish, then treat with potassium permanganate. I wouldnt put the well fish in with the sick one in a 10 gallon. Ingrid mark Bannister wrote: Hey all, I have a few fish in my QT tank ever since the weather turned cold. QT is just a 10 gallon aquarium. All the fish but one are ready to go back to the pond. I have a another fish in the pond with a white fungus who needs treatment: we've been having some wild temperature swings lately. Can I move the well fish into the pond (there is a significant temperature difference)? Pond temp is around 55 right now; QT tank is around 65. Should I put the fish with fungus in with the almost well fish? The almost well one was the one who was scaled alive in the skimmer. Almost all his scales have come back but he as completely different markings now. He is a much prettier fish with black and orange a white. Before he was mainly orange and a little white. BTW: I only lost one fish to the great skimmer disaster of 2005. Mark B. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the recommendations I make. AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE |
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10o drop is too much in 1 day. 10 gallons is too small for QT, how about a 40 gallon rubbermaid tub? the fish with white fungus might well be columnaris ... especially if this is on the caudal puduncle. you need to salt dip this fish, then treat with potassium permanganate. snip Thanks, yes it is in the caudal peduncle area (course I had to look that up first http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/what/fishfig.htm). 4-5 small white patches on one side, almost scale size. Mark B. |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
"mark Bannister" wrote in message ... Koi-lo wrote: snip Fungus? How is the water QUALITY in your pond? Healthy fish in good water shouldn't be getting funguses or suffer bacterial infections. Hmmm, water quality has been testing just fine. I haven't checked it lately. You may want to check the PH and Nitrate levels for a start. Is there a lot of rotting leaves and other debris on the pond bottom? I've been told that water temperature swings are stressful on the fish and I assumed that was the issue. Not true unless you drop a fish in water of a much different temperature. All my smaller pools have temperature swings, just like in nature. The fish adapt to this natural cycle. The fish only got sick when the temperature swings up or down. When it's 20 degrees F for a week and then 70's the following week the fish see a pretty wide temp swing. It hasn't affected any of my fish (goldfish, rosy reds and koi). Float them in a plastic bag for awhile. That's a large difference. How about a difference in PH between the tank and the pond? I haven't checked the PH. What would be significant? I would consider anything less than 6.8 or over 8.8 significant. A nitrate reading over 40 would also be significant and warrant a partial water change. Others may have a different opinion. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: NEW PAGE: Aquariums: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
"mark Bannister" wrote in message ... wrote: 10o drop is too much in 1 day. 10 gallons is too small for QT, how about a 40 gallon rubbermaid tub? the fish with white fungus might well be columnaris ... especially if this is on the caudal puduncle. you need to salt dip this fish, then treat with potassium permanganate. snip Thanks, yes it is in the caudal peduncle area (course I had to look that up first http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/what/fishfig.htm). 4-5 small white patches on one side, almost scale size. Mark B. ============================= Check a few websites such as www.koivet.com and others before using PP as this is a product you need to take great care using. My smaller pools will drop as much as 15F overnight (in spring and fall) without causing a problem to my koi, rosy reds and goldfish. The only losses I've ever had to such a drop were tiny fry less than a week old. We had a spring freeze and they were in a 40 gallon tub. :-( My fish are healthy and the water quality is good. That may make the difference. Also, we have no control over nature and natural ponds have the same temp drops. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: NEW PAGE: Aquariums: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
Koi-lo wrote:
snip I would consider anything less than 6.8 or over 8.8 significant. A nitrate reading over 40 would also be significant and warrant a partial water change. Others may have a different opinion. Do most people do water changes in Winter? I've been doing them but less often. |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
"mark Bannister" wrote in message ... Koi-lo wrote: snip I would consider anything less than 6.8 or over 8.8 significant. A nitrate reading over 40 would also be significant and warrant a partial water change. Others may have a different opinion. Do most people do water changes in Winter? I've been doing them but less often. ============================ No they don't, not in winter unless there's a problem of some kind that can't wait. Example = excessively high nitrate readings (or even ammonia in some cases) or toxic gases building up under excessive amounts of rotting vegetation on the pond bottom. Sometimes something fell in, died and is decomposing fouling the water. I just water-changed a tub with a water lily that had turned "dark" and smelled foul. Somehow an excessive amount of leaves blew into this tub. There was also the stinky remains of a frog.... :þ I'm in zone 6 in the USA. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: NEW PAGE: Aquariums: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
Do most people do water changes in Winter? I've been doing them but
less often. Same. Depends on the weather. Always good to check your WQ before doing a water change, to make sure there is no ammonia showing. If the fresh water going in has a higher pH than the pond, it would make the ammonia more toxic. As far moving the fish, I agree with Ingrid. I also agree with checking the pH before moving them and try to slowly change the QT (within 0.5 pH) before moving them. ~ jan ---------------- See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Defrosted~ Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
Koi-lo wrote:
snip You may want to check the PH and Nitrate levels for a start. Is there a lot of rotting leaves and other debris on the pond bottom? snip OK, did what water tests I could. My test strips for Nitrate must have been contaminated so I couldn't test that yesterday. PH is higher than normal, a little above 7.8. Typically it runs 7.4 or something like that and had been very stable all summer. No ammonia. Hardness and Alkalinity are both up a little as well (I forget the exact numbers but they are in normal range.). Water temp is 56 F. 700+ US gallons. The veggie filter is a little messy, but nothing horrible I don't think. PH in QT tank is WAY off! Very low. I'm trying to rectify that right now. Ammonia was a little high. I had been doing a better job of keeping it stable but have been sick lately. I've unplugged the heater in the QT tank and will allow the water temps to get closer. It's warm here again (North Alabama) so it may take a while. Either I couldn't see before or the sick fish has moved his fungus. It's an oranda of some sort. Smaller fungus patches now around his head only. Funny thing about the fish that lost his scales. Even his fins have changed color. The dorsal, caudal and anal fins are all black now. |
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QT tank delima new sick fish
"mark Bannister" wrote in message ... Koi-lo wrote: snip You may want to check the PH and Nitrate levels for a start. Is there a lot of rotting leaves and other debris on the pond bottom? snip =============== OK, did what water tests I could. My test strips for Nitrate must have been contaminated so I couldn't test that yesterday. PH is higher than normal, a little above 7.8. Typically it runs 7.4 or something like that and had been very stable all summer. It's still within safe limits. No ammonia. Hardness and Alkalinity are both up a little as well (I forget the exact numbers but they are in normal range.). Water temp is 56 F. 700+ US gallons. The veggie filter is a little messy, but nothing horrible I don't think. You may want to take a closer look to see if a lot of plant matter is rotting or if something fell in, died and may be decomposing. Is there a lot of pond "gunk" in the bottom of this veggie filter? PH in QT tank is WAY off! Very low. I'm trying to rectify that right now. Ammonia was a little high. I had been doing a better job of keeping it stable but have been sick lately. Very low can tie up the ammonia - but also if really low, harm or kill the fish. You can safely and slowly raise the PH using chicken-grit, crushed shell or dolomite fishtank gravel. What is the PH of the water from your tap? I've unplugged the heater in the QT tank and will allow the water temps to get closer. It's warm here again (North Alabama) so it may take a while. Either I couldn't see before or the sick fish has moved his fungus. It's an oranda of some sort. Smaller fungus patches now around his head only. Funny thing about the fish that lost his scales. Even his fins have changed color. The dorsal, caudal and anal fins are all black now. They should return to their natural color in time. They don't usually remain black. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: NEW PAGE: Aquariums: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastada...ium-Page4.html http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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