I am going to complete the re-dig of my VF this weekend, and when that is
done, I want to get an accurate re-measure of my gallon-age.

Can someone please post the actual/correct method for using salt to
determine the volume of the pond?

--
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BenignVanilla wrote:
I am going to complete the re-dig of my VF this weekend, and when that is
done, I want to get an accurate re-measure of my gallon-age.

Can someone please post the actual/correct method for using salt to
determine the volume of the pond?

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
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I downloaded a pond calculator (don't remember where) and
found out that my ponds are 4800.03 gallons. You can check
out google.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

BV, go to Roark's site:
http://www.click2roark.com

Register (if you're not already) - it's safe (no spam or nothin'). Scroll
down the left side of the screen and you'll find the calculator (and a bunch
of others he has). Basically, you take a salt reading in your pond and make
note of it. Then you add a *known weight* of salt, be it 10 lbs. or
whatever, then wait a day and take another reading. You plug in the info,
and the calculator tells you the gallonage. Even if you have not yet added
salt to your pond, take the reading: there's *always* a background salt
level in water (unless it's distilled). And don't go adding HUGE amounts of
salt, because you may want to do the test a couple of times. There are many
drop tests you can use (Aquarium Pharmaceuticals has a nice test), but if
you can get your hands on a meter (I use a Koi Medic), it's worth its weight
in gold (and instantaneous, too!). Another site you can go to is
http://www.perigee.net/~jrjohns/volcalc.html

But I find that you have to shift the decimal point because it gives ppt
instead of ppm. Same numbers, just shift!

Hope this helps.!

Lee
"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
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I am going to complete the re-dig of my VF this weekend, and when that is
done, I want to get an accurate re-measure of my gallon-age.

Can someone please post the actual/correct method for using salt to
determine the volume of the pond?

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
Remove MYFRONTALLOBE to email me.
Don't forget the Full Lunar Eclipse tonight, for information on your time
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http://www.akca.org/library/salt3.htm
found this by looking up stuff on dejanews.com

dejanews is a pretty good place to look up stuff that others have asked &
answered,


"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
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I am going to complete the re-dig of my VF this weekend, and when that is
done, I want to get an accurate re-measure of my gallon-age.

Can someone please post the actual/correct method for using salt to
determine the volume of the pond?

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
Remove MYFRONTALLOBE to email me.
Don't forget the Full Lunar Eclipse tonight, for information on your time
zone, see http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...003May15.html.

"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
BV, go to Roark's site:
http://www.click2roark.com

Register (if you're not already) - it's safe (no spam or nothin'). Scroll
down the left side of the screen and you'll find the calculator (and a
bunch
of others he has). Basically, you take a salt reading in your pond and
make
note of it. Then you add a *known weight* of salt, be it 10 lbs. or
whatever, then wait a day and take another reading. You plug in the info,
and the calculator tells you the gallonage.

snip

How much salt can you add safely? I don't want to kill my plants, and I
don't want to ruin the water for fish (which I'd like to add soon).

BV.

BenignVanilla wrote:
"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...

BV, go to Roark's site:
http://www.click2roark.com

Register (if you're not already) - it's safe (no spam or nothin'). Scroll
down the left side of the screen and you'll find the calculator (and a

bunch

of others he has). Basically, you take a salt reading in your pond and

make

note of it. Then you add a *known weight* of salt, be it 10 lbs. or
whatever, then wait a day and take another reading. You plug in the info,
and the calculator tells you the gallonage.


snip

How much salt can you add safely? I don't want to kill my plants, and I
don't want to ruin the water for fish (which I'd like to add soon).

BV.



Buy a salt level test kit (cheap $6.) You'll need this to
find when you reach .01 which is what you want with plants.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Simplest formula to determine gallons from salinity change is:
gallons of pond = # of salt used x 12/% salinity change
Make sure you test salinity before you add any salt, so you know your
baseline!
Subtract that initial salinity from the final salinity reading to give your
% salinity change.
The "calculators" essentially do the above.
This is the best way to really determine your total gallonage, including
your pumps, pipes, streams, falls, etc., which can be very significant,
depending on the agents you may be using in your pond.
Happy ponding,
Greg


"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
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I am going to complete the re-dig of my VF this weekend, and when that is
done, I want to get an accurate re-measure of my gallon-age.

Can someone please post the actual/correct method for using salt to
determine the volume of the pond?

--
BenignVanilla
Pond Site: www.darofamily.com/jeff/links/mypond
Remove MYFRONTALLOBE to email me.
Don't forget the Full Lunar Eclipse tonight, for information on your time
zone, see http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...003May15.html.

BV,

You can run up to 0.3% and not kill anything except the oxygenators. I have
tried to keep my ponds at 0.1% for years. I don't have any of the
oxygenators but lotus, lilies, parrots feather, hyacinths, lettuce, taro,
canna, and a host of other plants have never seen fresh water.

When you run the test, the standard test kit uses a 5cc test tube and one
drop to color change equals 0.01%, so for 0.1% you would need 10 drops. For
the calculations, I would find a much larger test tube, like a drinking
glass, and fill it with 10 of the test tubes of water. Then each drop would
give a resolution of 0.001%. This will result in a much more accurate
determination of the quantity of water in the pond.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
BV, go to Roark's site:
http://www.click2roark.com

Register (if you're not already) - it's safe (no spam or nothin').
Scroll
down the left side of the screen and you'll find the calculator (and a
bunch
of others he has). Basically, you take a salt reading in your pond and
make
note of it. Then you add a *known weight* of salt, be it 10 lbs. or
whatever, then wait a day and take another reading. You plug in the
info,
and the calculator tells you the gallonage.

snip

How much salt can you add safely? I don't want to kill my plants, and I
don't want to ruin the water for fish (which I'd like to add soon).

BV.

OK, I also add the question,, HOW much salt can you safely add?? 5 lbs 10
lbs? how long do you have to wait till you see a difference in salt level??
meaning,,,,,,, if after you add 5 lbs,, still NOT .01%,, how long before you
add another 5 lbs??? & then again....
(my pond is a VERY weird shape & different levels,, I figure at least 2500,
but won't be surprised its 3500,, hubby tells me its 4 ft deep......... I
doubt it ) LOng story, why we never got the true depth measurement,,,,,,,,
he kept digging,,, mucky yucky goop to try to stand in,,,, in-between... &
just put liner in,,,,,,,, cut excess off,, etc etc )



How much salt can you add safely? I don't want to kill my plants, and I
don't want to ruin the water for fish (which I'd like to add soon).

BV.



Buy a salt level test kit (cheap $6.) You'll need this to
find when you reach .01 which is what you want with plants.
--
Bonnie

*muffin* wrote:
OK, I also add the question,, HOW much salt can you safely add?? 5 lbs 10
lbs? how long do you have to wait till you see a difference in salt level??
meaning,,,,,,, if after you add 5 lbs,, still NOT .01%,, how long before you
add another 5 lbs??? & then again....
(my pond is a VERY weird shape & different levels,, I figure at least 2500,
but won't be surprised its 3500,, hubby tells me its 4 ft deep......... I
doubt it ) LOng story, why we never got the true depth measurement,,,,,,,,
he kept digging,,, mucky yucky goop to try to stand in,,,, in-between... &
just put liner in,,,,,,,, cut excess off,, etc etc )


I can't tell you how much salt to add. That is why you need
a salt level test kit. There is a chart that will guide you
to the correct amount. You add some salt wait a day test,
then add more salt if needed. You must have some idea of
the size of your pond - use that as an estimate and add
about 1 lb per 100 gallons as a gauge.
But you do need the test kit and add the salt over three
days - testing before you add additional salt. Don't use
table salt, use crystal solar salt from Home Depot or
Lowe's. It's around $4. for 40 lbs.
--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Sorry BV, I forgot I didn't answer, but most of the folks below had it
"right". A little less than 1 lb. per 100 gals. will give you ~.1 I don't
remember how large you "think" your pond will be, but it's pretty safe that
you could add a 20 lb. bag of salt. Using the calculator on Roark's site, if
you add 20 lbs. of salt and get a salinity of .07, you have 3,428.59 gals.
of water. If you add the same 20 lbs. of salt and get a salinity of .25,
then you have 960 gals.

To increase the accuracy, you really should subtract the background salinity
(beginning level) from the final level before you plug in the numbers.
Fr'instance, if your background level was .03, and your ending salinity was
..25, the result is .22, which means that you have 1,091.91 (1,092 -
K.I.S.S.) instead of 960. The more water you have, the more the variance, so
check before and after!

If you go to a HD or such, I think you can only buy 40 lb. bags of salt. But
if you go to a grocery store, you may pay a little more, but I think you can
get 20 lb. bags. It's nice to go with a "whole bag", because then you don't
have to weigh it. And the ounces count, so a bathroom scale won't cut it
(and it's tedious on a postage scale!) Most of the plain ol' rock salt/solar
salt that comes in blue plastic bags will do.

Lee


"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
BV, go to Roark's site:
http://www.click2roark.com

Register (if you're not already) - it's safe (no spam or nothin').
Scroll
down the left side of the screen and you'll find the calculator (and a
bunch
of others he has). Basically, you take a salt reading in your pond and
make
note of it. Then you add a *known weight* of salt, be it 10 lbs. or
whatever, then wait a day and take another reading. You plug in the
info,
and the calculator tells you the gallonage.

snip

How much salt can you add safely? I don't want to kill my plants, and I
don't want to ruin the water for fish (which I'd like to add soon).

BV.

Awesome...thanks!

"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
Sorry BV, I forgot I didn't answer, but most of the folks below had it
"right". A little less than 1 lb. per 100 gals. will give you ~.1 I
don't
remember how large you "think" your pond will be, but it's pretty safe
that
you could add a 20 lb. bag of salt. Using the calculator on Roark's site,
if
you add 20 lbs. of salt and get a salinity of .07, you have 3,428.59 gals.
of water. If you add the same 20 lbs. of salt and get a salinity of .25,
then you have 960 gals.

To increase the accuracy, you really should subtract the background
salinity
(beginning level) from the final level before you plug in the numbers.
Fr'instance, if your background level was .03, and your ending salinity
was
.25, the result is .22, which means that you have 1,091.91 (1,092 -
K.I.S.S.) instead of 960. The more water you have, the more the variance,
so
check before and after!

If you go to a HD or such, I think you can only buy 40 lb. bags of salt.
But
if you go to a grocery store, you may pay a little more, but I think you
can
get 20 lb. bags. It's nice to go with a "whole bag", because then you
don't
have to weigh it. And the ounces count, so a bathroom scale won't cut it
(and it's tedious on a postage scale!) Most of the plain ol' rock
salt/solar
salt that comes in blue plastic bags will do.

Lee


"BenignVanilla" m wrote
in
message ...
"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
BV, go to Roark's site:
http://www.click2roark.com

Register (if you're not already) - it's safe (no spam or nothin').
Scroll
down the left side of the screen and you'll find the calculator (and a
bunch
of others he has). Basically, you take a salt reading in your pond and
make
note of it. Then you add a *known weight* of salt, be it 10 lbs. or
whatever, then wait a day and take another reading. You plug in the
info,
and the calculator tells you the gallonage.

snip

How much salt can you add safely? I don't want to kill my plants, and I
don't want to ruin the water for fish (which I'd like to add soon).

BV.

Awesome thanks!

"Bonnie Espenshade" wrote in message
...
*muffin* wrote:
OK, I also add the question,, HOW much salt can you safely add?? 5 lbs
10
lbs? how long do you have to wait till you see a difference in salt
level??
meaning,,,,,,, if after you add 5 lbs,, still NOT .01%,, how long before
you
add another 5 lbs??? & then again....
(my pond is a VERY weird shape & different levels,, I figure at least
2500,
but won't be surprised its 3500,, hubby tells me its 4 ft
deep......... I
doubt it ) LOng story, why we never got the true depth
measurement,,,,,,,,
he kept digging,,, mucky yucky goop to try to stand in,,,, in-between...
&
just put liner in,,,,,,,, cut excess off,, etc etc )


I can't tell you how much salt to add. That is why you need
a salt level test kit. There is a chart that will guide you
to the correct amount. You add some salt wait a day test,
then add more salt if needed. You must have some idea of
the size of your pond - use that as an estimate and add
about 1 lb per 100 gallons as a gauge.
But you do need the test kit and add the salt over three
days - testing before you add additional salt. Don't use
table salt, use crystal solar salt from Home Depot or
Lowe's. It's around $4. for 40 lbs.
--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

A comment on salt in the pond from the KHA (Koi Health Advisors) point of
view. Koi Vet Sandy Yosha said: Koi are a fresh water fish, do not use salt
unless necessary.

That said, many of us bring our salt up to 0.1-0.15% in the spring and then
reduce it throughout the season with our many small frequent water changes.
Many of us have also found feeding Romet B for 2 weeks in the Spring and 2
weeks in the Fall helpful to keep away the cooties, as Ingrid is fond of
saying. ;o) ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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I got the kit that uses two bottles & you put in drops 2 at a time to reach
DARK purple (only one color purple on the sheet)

the water starts to change when I put in 2,, a pale purple,, darker yet when
I put in 4 drops,, but not quite there,, &when i put in 6 drops it almost
looks like the example.. if I put in more drops it will NOT get any darker..
so am I to assume, my correct results are what reads at 6 drops??
I have read , here, I think,, that a test has you put in one drop at a time?
this one says 2..
I am leary , since it really doesn't LOOK accurate,, meaning it never gets
as dark as the pictured example,, and the directions say when it changes
FROM clear to dark purple,, hmm, that sounds like its supposed to happen
right away,, with clear ,,then ONE drop & it changes, ( be it 4 to 5 or 5
to 6 drops,, did I explain that right?)but this takes 4 drops to change
completely.
*sigh*
I'm confused again.......