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"Benign Vanilla Pudding" wrote in message ... Say what dude.......when you start paying my ISP fee's maybe I will take some advice from you. Until then I think not. =========== Joann add snipped. Just curious, but why are you still advertising for Joann and the people who bought her business? Are you aware it's being added to each of your posts? -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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"Benign Vanilla Pudding" wrote in message ... Say what dude.......when you start paying my ISP fee's maybe I will take some advice from you. Until then I think not. =========== Joann add snipped. Just curious, but why are you still advertising for Joann and the people who bought her business? Are you aware it's being added to each of your posts? -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Carl Beyer wrote:
I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week. So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening, checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something that disturbed me. I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction, but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried something is going down. Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure? First off, have you taken any measurements of the water parameters? With the volume of rain received all over CA (and man it's been a bear hasn't it?) this could have wildly changed the pH, KH, GH, etc in your pond. This would stress the fish which would leave them vulnerable to disease. As for those theorizing ich, ich does not come out of nowhere, so if it really is ich, you've probably had the parasites present in the pond (ich can survive at low levels in the gills of otherwise healthy appearing fish according to what I've read) unless these mosquito fish were added recently. The potentially wild changes in water parameters from all the rain could have stressed the fish causing such a latent infection to explode into fishy epidemic proportions. Which brings us to the "what to do" point. Well, first off one needs to positively identify what is going on. Pictures would certainly help in that regards as written word is by nature somewhat nebulous and subjective. For example, your concept of "spot" might be completely different than mine. Let's focus on ich since others have suggested in. In ich, the spots are about the size of a grain of salt and randomly distributed over the body of the fish. The fish might also show other signs such as flashing and rubbing or clamped fins. Fungal issues will have much larger spots, usually with a cottony appearance. Velvet infection will be much finer spots (sugar sized or smaller) and tend to be most noticed on the head, as well as clustered together in groups/patches. Velvet can also have a bit of a yellowish look to it under certain light. Bacterial and/or slime coat problems can also present as large spots of white/opaque color randomly over the body. These will often have a more slimey appearance when compared to the cottony look of fungal infections. Once the problem is identified, then you need to determine whether medication is necessary or if it will just be sufficient to remedy any water problems caused by the rain. This is often a personal call. I personally tend to go for clean water and/or medicated food along with a wait and see approach, but others prefer putting the affected fish in a holding tank and medicating the water there. |
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Finally, someone besides Windsong with a little common sense that is
not shooting in the dark and shotgun treating a problem. On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC), Cichlidiot wrote: ===Carl Beyer wrote: === I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just === going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are === 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week. === === So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening, === checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something === that disturbed me. === === I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of === them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction, === but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big === Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried === something is going down. === === Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure? === ===First off, have you taken any measurements of the water parameters? With ===the volume of rain received all over CA (and man it's been a bear hasn't ===it?) this could have wildly changed the pH, KH, GH, etc in your pond. This ===would stress the fish which would leave them vulnerable to disease. As for ===those theorizing ich, ich does not come out of nowhere, so if it really is ===ich, you've probably had the parasites present in the pond (ich can ===survive at low levels in the gills of otherwise healthy appearing fish ===according to what I've read) unless these mosquito fish were added ===recently. The potentially wild changes in water parameters from all the ===rain could have stressed the fish causing such a latent infection to ===explode into fishy epidemic proportions. === ===Which brings us to the "what to do" point. Well, first off one needs to ===positively identify what is going on. Pictures would certainly help in ===that regards as written word is by nature somewhat nebulous and ===subjective. For example, your concept of "spot" might be completely ===different than mine. Let's focus on ich since others have suggested in. In ===ich, the spots are about the size of a grain of salt and randomly ===distributed over the body of the fish. The fish might also show other ===signs such as flashing and rubbing or clamped fins. Fungal issues will ===have much larger spots, usually with a cottony appearance. Velvet ===infection will be much finer spots (sugar sized or smaller) and tend to be ===most noticed on the head, as well as clustered together in groups/patches. ===Velvet can also have a bit of a yellowish look to it under certain light. ===Bacterial and/or slime coat problems can also present as large spots of ===white/opaque color randomly over the body. These will often have a more ===slimey appearance when compared to the cottony look of fungal infections. === ===Once the problem is identified, then you need to determine whether ===medication is necessary or if it will just be sufficient to remedy any ===water problems caused by the rain. This is often a personal call. I ===personally tend to go for clean water and/or medicated food along with a ===wait and see approach, but others prefer putting the affected fish in a ===holding tank and medicating the water there. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
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Finally, someone besides Windsong with a little common sense that is
not shooting in the dark and shotgun treating a problem. On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC), Cichlidiot wrote: ===Carl Beyer wrote: === I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just === going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are === 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week. === === So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening, === checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something === that disturbed me. === === I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of === them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction, === but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big === Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried === something is going down. === === Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure? === ===First off, have you taken any measurements of the water parameters? With ===the volume of rain received all over CA (and man it's been a bear hasn't ===it?) this could have wildly changed the pH, KH, GH, etc in your pond. This ===would stress the fish which would leave them vulnerable to disease. As for ===those theorizing ich, ich does not come out of nowhere, so if it really is ===ich, you've probably had the parasites present in the pond (ich can ===survive at low levels in the gills of otherwise healthy appearing fish ===according to what I've read) unless these mosquito fish were added ===recently. The potentially wild changes in water parameters from all the ===rain could have stressed the fish causing such a latent infection to ===explode into fishy epidemic proportions. === ===Which brings us to the "what to do" point. Well, first off one needs to ===positively identify what is going on. Pictures would certainly help in ===that regards as written word is by nature somewhat nebulous and ===subjective. For example, your concept of "spot" might be completely ===different than mine. Let's focus on ich since others have suggested in. In ===ich, the spots are about the size of a grain of salt and randomly ===distributed over the body of the fish. The fish might also show other ===signs such as flashing and rubbing or clamped fins. Fungal issues will ===have much larger spots, usually with a cottony appearance. Velvet ===infection will be much finer spots (sugar sized or smaller) and tend to be ===most noticed on the head, as well as clustered together in groups/patches. ===Velvet can also have a bit of a yellowish look to it under certain light. ===Bacterial and/or slime coat problems can also present as large spots of ===white/opaque color randomly over the body. These will often have a more ===slimey appearance when compared to the cottony look of fungal infections. === ===Once the problem is identified, then you need to determine whether ===medication is necessary or if it will just be sufficient to remedy any ===water problems caused by the rain. This is often a personal call. I ===personally tend to go for clean water and/or medicated food along with a ===wait and see approach, but others prefer putting the affected fish in a ===holding tank and medicating the water there. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
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Thanks to those that offered advice. Didn't really want to get into a
flame war.... just wanted the advice. That said, to those of you who would like a picture I would be happy to comply if I could just get them to stop swimming ;-) You guys do ask for a lot. I will try to get a picture up to confirm. I put in some Melafix and some kanacyn soaked food immediately. There has been no new fish.... just this crazy rain (crazy for us, a light sprinkle for the rest of the world). Glad to continue taking advice... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
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Actually, "Nedra Sucks", or "Roy" - (whoever) - if you are the same person
who used to post here and contribute to the group, RELAX - you were a great person to read your thoughts on whatever was being posted here - IF you are a troll, using an old friend's name, Get a Life and find another NG to bother - we like the old shoe feel, along with the newbies Gale :~) "Nedra Sucks" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:52:18 -0800, Carl Beyer wrote: ===I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just ===going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are ===45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week. === ===So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening, ===checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something ===that disturbed me. === ===I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of ===them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction, ===but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big ===Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried ===something is going down. === ===Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure? === ===Thanks === ===Carl === ===Oh.... pictures of the pond from 2 years ago. === ===http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com/Koi === ===cap the K... i have news for you dude, your pond is aready heading south. Just stay tuned for the salt, etc baths and canned replies al without knowing more. Want the best answer, go to Koiphen forums or koivet koiphen.com koivet.com Thats where the serious folks and professionals hang and will be happy to help you with "Correct" info.......instead of a bunch of couch / keyboard diagnosticians. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
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Actually, "Nedra Sucks", or "Roy" - (whoever) - if you are the same person
who used to post here and contribute to the group, RELAX - you were a great person to read your thoughts on whatever was being posted here - IF you are a troll, using an old friend's name, Get a Life and find another NG to bother - we like the old shoe feel, along with the newbies Gale :~) "Nedra Sucks" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:52:18 -0800, Carl Beyer wrote: ===I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just ===going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are ===45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week. === ===So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening, ===checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something ===that disturbed me. === ===I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of ===them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction, ===but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big ===Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried ===something is going down. === ===Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure? === ===Thanks === ===Carl === ===Oh.... pictures of the pond from 2 years ago. === ===http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com/Koi === ===cap the K... i have news for you dude, your pond is aready heading south. Just stay tuned for the salt, etc baths and canned replies al without knowing more. Want the best answer, go to Koiphen forums or koivet koiphen.com koivet.com Thats where the serious folks and professionals hang and will be happy to help you with "Correct" info.......instead of a bunch of couch / keyboard diagnosticians. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
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"Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... Thanks to those that offered advice. Didn't really want to get into a flame war.... just wanted the advice. That said, to those of you who would like a picture I would be happy to comply if I could just get them to stop swimming ;-) You guys do ask for a lot. I will try to get a picture up to confirm. I put in some Melafix and some kanacyn soaked etc. ======================== Please don't use antibiotics unless you know they are needed. Their overuse had created many bacteria that are now resistant and more become resistant daily. May I suggest you cut back the number of fish in this overcrowded pond and then do a large water change? The rain may have drastically changed the PH from what they are used to,... from your hose. Overcrowding is a disaster just waiting to happen, rain or no rain. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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"Carl Beyer" wrote in message ... Thanks to those that offered advice. Didn't really want to get into a flame war.... just wanted the advice. That said, to those of you who would like a picture I would be happy to comply if I could just get them to stop swimming ;-) You guys do ask for a lot. I will try to get a picture up to confirm. I put in some Melafix and some kanacyn soaked etc. ======================== Please don't use antibiotics unless you know they are needed. Their overuse had created many bacteria that are now resistant and more become resistant daily. May I suggest you cut back the number of fish in this overcrowded pond and then do a large water change? The rain may have drastically changed the PH from what they are used to,... from your hose. Overcrowding is a disaster just waiting to happen, rain or no rain. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message ... "Nedra Sucks" wrote in message ... See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich treatment without even seeing what those white spots are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem and a more detailed description on the probems. Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you! Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles. And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that response. Sounds like ick to me too. And if it is, and he has an overstocked pond, he is going to have a lot of fun treating it. If he can isolate them and treat them out of the pond that would be best. Ick will die if they don't have a host to live off of, so the pond will clear itself of the parasites after a couple of weeks if there are no fish in it to complete the life cycle. Having said that, few ponders have the facilities to remove all of their fish at once and treat them separately, so he is going to have to treat the entire pond. Fortunately, the remedies for ick are well known, and relatively inexpensive. It also helps to increase the water temperature, but that is not easy to do in a pond, so the chemical treatment will likley have tobe done for longer than woul be necessary if the temperature was raised. One product I know of that is effective in ponds (and that works well without having to raise the water temperature) is ickguard. Ick Guard quickly and effectively clears ick (white spot) without raising the temperature of the water. It also guards against secondary infections as a result of wounds left by the ick parasite. A 17 oz bottle treats 960 gallons of water and costs about $9.00. The instructions say to use 1 tsp per 10 gallons. 1 cup treats 480 gallons. After 24 hours change 25% of the water and dosage may be repeated. Do not overdose. Clean measuring device before each use. Use 1/2 strength on weak, small or scaleless fish. This product will color the water. |
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message ... "Nedra Sucks" wrote in message ... See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich treatment without even seeing what those white spots are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem and a more detailed description on the probems. Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you! Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles. And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that response. Sounds like ick to me too. And if it is, and he has an overstocked pond, he is going to have a lot of fun treating it. If he can isolate them and treat them out of the pond that would be best. Ick will die if they don't have a host to live off of, so the pond will clear itself of the parasites after a couple of weeks if there are no fish in it to complete the life cycle. Having said that, few ponders have the facilities to remove all of their fish at once and treat them separately, so he is going to have to treat the entire pond. Fortunately, the remedies for ick are well known, and relatively inexpensive. It also helps to increase the water temperature, but that is not easy to do in a pond, so the chemical treatment will likley have tobe done for longer than woul be necessary if the temperature was raised. One product I know of that is effective in ponds (and that works well without having to raise the water temperature) is ickguard. Ick Guard quickly and effectively clears ick (white spot) without raising the temperature of the water. It also guards against secondary infections as a result of wounds left by the ick parasite. A 17 oz bottle treats 960 gallons of water and costs about $9.00. The instructions say to use 1 tsp per 10 gallons. 1 cup treats 480 gallons. After 24 hours change 25% of the water and dosage may be repeated. Do not overdose. Clean measuring device before each use. Use 1/2 strength on weak, small or scaleless fish. This product will color the water. |
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In article HwPFd.6218$eT5.2281@attbi_s51,
"George" wrote: "Benign Vanilla" wrote in message ... "Nedra Sucks" wrote in message ... See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich treatment without even seeing what those white spots are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem and a more detailed description on the probems. Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you! Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles. And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that response. Sounds like ick to me too. And if it is, and he has an overstocked pond, he is going to have a lot of fun treating it. If he can isolate them and treat them out of the pond that would be best. Ick will die if they don't have a host to live off of, so the pond will clear itself of the parasites after a couple of weeks if there are no fish in it to complete the life cycle. Having said that, few ponders have the facilities to remove all of their fish at once and treat them separately, so he is going to have to treat the entire pond. Fortunately, the remedies for ick are well known, and relatively inexpensive. It also helps to increase the water temperature, but that is not easy to do in a pond, so the chemical treatment will likley have tobe done for longer than woul be necessary if the temperature was raised. One product I know of that is effective in ponds (and that works well without having to raise the water temperature) is ickguard. Ick Guard quickly and effectively clears ick (white spot) without raising the temperature of the water. It also guards against secondary infections as a result of wounds left by the ick parasite. A 17 oz bottle treats 960 gallons of water and costs about $9.00. The instructions say to use 1 tsp per 10 gallons. 1 cup treats 480 gallons. After 24 hours change 25% of the water and dosage may be repeated. Do not overdose. Clean measuring device before each use. Use 1/2 strength on weak, small or scaleless fish. This product will color the water. Thanks to all for the answers. Taking a fish to the fish store for a quick look, but the problem seems to be dissapearing with the end of the rains... And as for the bacteria / virus thing.. thanks for the medical lesson... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
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In article HwPFd.6218$eT5.2281@attbi_s51,
"George" wrote: "Benign Vanilla" wrote in message ... "Nedra Sucks" wrote in message ... See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich treatment without even seeing what those white spots are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem and a more detailed description on the probems. Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you! Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles. And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that response. Sounds like ick to me too. And if it is, and he has an overstocked pond, he is going to have a lot of fun treating it. If he can isolate them and treat them out of the pond that would be best. Ick will die if they don't have a host to live off of, so the pond will clear itself of the parasites after a couple of weeks if there are no fish in it to complete the life cycle. Having said that, few ponders have the facilities to remove all of their fish at once and treat them separately, so he is going to have to treat the entire pond. Fortunately, the remedies for ick are well known, and relatively inexpensive. It also helps to increase the water temperature, but that is not easy to do in a pond, so the chemical treatment will likley have tobe done for longer than woul be necessary if the temperature was raised. One product I know of that is effective in ponds (and that works well without having to raise the water temperature) is ickguard. Ick Guard quickly and effectively clears ick (white spot) without raising the temperature of the water. It also guards against secondary infections as a result of wounds left by the ick parasite. A 17 oz bottle treats 960 gallons of water and costs about $9.00. The instructions say to use 1 tsp per 10 gallons. 1 cup treats 480 gallons. After 24 hours change 25% of the water and dosage may be repeated. Do not overdose. Clean measuring device before each use. Use 1/2 strength on weak, small or scaleless fish. This product will color the water. Thanks to all for the answers. Taking a fish to the fish store for a quick look, but the problem seems to be dissapearing with the end of the rains... And as for the bacteria / virus thing.. thanks for the medical lesson... Carl -- -- http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com |
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