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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
Hi there,
When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the previous owners had recently planted. Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more! I'm just trying to find out what the name of the plant is, and whether anyone can ID it from a photo? My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something called 'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as such, but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought this might be a slightly different species? The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt From the ID, I hope to find out how tall it grows, and about whether it can be dug up and replanted elsewhere in the garden (that doesn't block the living room window!), or even in a large plant pot (I doubt it though!). Thanks for any help, Stephen |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"ste-m" wrote in message
When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, I'd say it's a Yucca. It would grow into a multibranched "tree" in a warm climate but you could cut off the top and replant that in a pot or move the whole thing while it's still small. Tough as old boots. |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "ste-m" contains these words: Hi there, When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the previous owners had recently planted. Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more! My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something called 'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as such, but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought this might be a slightly different species? The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt Dracaena isn't hardy enough to have survived winters, and yucca (which is) is rather slowgrowing in the UK. From the pic, description and speed of growth, I think it's cordyline australis, aka "cabbage palm". and "Torquay palm". They aren't cabbages or palms but a lot of them grow in Torquay, and mature trees have the exotic look of a palm. If so, starting in a year or so the lower leaves will die and drop off successively , leaving a bare very fibrous rough textured "trunk" with a big head of fresh leaves at the top (and huge heads of tiny honey scented flowers in summer) . They do grow fast in mild areas , I think the tallest one here is around 40 ft . Higher than that and they tend to get snapped by gales and start regrowing from the base. However, you can easily keep them to a more manageable size by just cutting off the trunk. New, multiple heads will sprout from below, often making a branched plant with multiple heads. I don't think you're going to want either shape growing that close to a window, unless the view out is truly awful :-), and I wouldn't want the roots that close to the house walls. Moving them is hard work because even young plants quickly send out enormous root systems. I moved two unwanted 5-footers from a neighbour's garden to mine last year and it took two of us a good half day. One died immediately, the other died at the top but the base resprouted this spring and now has 5 strong new heads growing from the base. If you just want an easy way out, you could saw it off at ground level and apply a stump killer. Janet.(Isle of Arran) I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect but widely used. "This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in Falmouth in Cornwall" http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing. Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-) |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
In reply to ste-m ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : It's not a dracanea, it's not a yukka, it's not a cordyline d'australie, but it's a cordyline dracaenoides. HTH Unc |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "ste-m" wrote in message When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, I'd say it's a Yucca. It would grow into a multibranched "tree" in a warm climate but you could cut off the top and replant that in a pot or move the whole thing while it's still small. Tough as old boots. Thanks for that - tough as old boots, so I guess the roots will be tough too! Might have to get help with this one! Stephen |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "ste-m" contains these words: snip The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt Dracaena isn't hardy enough to have survived winters, and yucca (which is) is rather slowgrowing in the UK. From the pic, description and speed of growth, I think it's cordyline australis, aka "cabbage palm". and "Torquay palm". They aren't cabbages or palms but a lot of them grow in Torquay, and mature trees have the exotic look of a palm. Thanks for this, it certainly looks exotic! If so, starting in a year or so the lower leaves will die and drop off successively , leaving a bare very fibrous rough textured "trunk" with a big head of fresh leaves at the top (and huge heads of tiny honey scented flowers in summer) . They do grow fast in mild areas , I think the tallest one here is around 40 ft . Higher than that and they tend to get snapped by gales and start regrowing from the base. 40ft? Blimey! Like having a Leylandi in front of the house! :-S I've just took some better pictures and it looks as though the lower leaves are already starting to go brown and die off. However, you can easily keep them to a more manageable size by just cutting off the trunk. New, multiple heads will sprout from below, often making a branched plant with multiple heads. I don't think you're going to want either shape growing that close to a window, unless the view out is truly awful :-), and I wouldn't want the roots that close to the house walls. The view isn't bad, but look out it's like a scene from Jack and the Beanstalk! :-) Moving them is hard work because even young plants quickly send out enormous root systems. I moved two unwanted 5-footers from a neighbour's garden to mine last year and it took two of us a good half day. One died immediately, the other died at the top but the base resprouted this spring and now has 5 strong new heads growing from the base. If you just want an easy way out, you could saw it off at ground level and apply a stump killer. Janet.(Isle of Arran) Thanks Janet, Stephen |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message ... "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "ste-m" contains these words: snip From the pic, description and speed of growth, I think it's cordyline australis, aka "cabbage palm". and "Torquay palm". They aren't cabbages or palms but a lot of them grow in Torquay, and mature trees have the exotic look of a palm. If so, starting in a year or so the lower leaves will die and drop off successively , leaving a bare very fibrous rough textured "trunk" with a big head of fresh leaves at the top (and huge heads of tiny honey scented flowers in summer) . They do grow fast in mild areas , I think the tallest one here is around 40 ft . Higher than that and they tend to get snapped by gales and start regrowing from the base. However, you can easily keep them to a more manageable size by just cutting off the trunk. New, multiple heads will sprout from below, often making a branched plant with multiple heads. I don't think you're going to want either shape growing that close to a window, unless the view out is truly awful :-), and I wouldn't want the roots that close to the house walls. Moving them is hard work because even young plants quickly send out enormous root systems. I moved two unwanted 5-footers from a neighbour's garden to mine last year and it took two of us a good half day. One died immediately, the other died at the top but the base resprouted this spring and now has 5 strong new heads growing from the base. If you just want an easy way out, you could saw it off at ground level and apply a stump killer. Janet.(Isle of Arran) I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect but widely used. "This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in Falmouth in Cornwall" http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing. Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-) Thanks for that Rupert - I saw a similar looking plant in Tesco a few days ago and I think that was a Cordline, but as it has distinct yellow markings in the centre of the leaves, I thought it wouldn't be; but as you say, they seem to come in all colours and varieties. Thanks, Stephen |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... In reply to ste-m ) who wrote this in , I, Marvo, say : It's not a dracanea, it's not a yukka, it's not a cordyline d'australie, but it's a cordyline dracaenoides. HTH Unc Thanks Unc - that's quite a few similar suggestions I've got now - I'm just going to upload the better pictures so we can clear this up once and for all! Thanks, Stephen |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
Hi there,
Sorry for the tiny picture I included below, it wasn't very useful for a clear ID, and as such, I've had 3-4 different suggestions. To clear this up, I've just been in the garden and have took a few more photos, so hopefully, you won't mind taking another look and confirming the name of it? http://tinyurl.com/r225r - Full picture http://tinyurl.com/pklgd - Picture of the centre section http://tinyurl.com/mztz8 - Picture of the base section Thanks for all your help, it's appreciated. Stephen "ste-m" wrote in message ... Hi there, When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the previous owners had recently planted. Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more! I'm just trying to find out what the name of the plant is, and whether anyone can ID it from a photo? My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something called 'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as such, but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought this might be a slightly different species? The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt From the ID, I hope to find out how tall it grows, and about whether it can be dug up and replanted elsewhere in the garden (that doesn't block the living room window!), or even in a large plant pot (I doubt it though!). Thanks for any help, Stephen |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote: snip I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect but widely used. "This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in Falmouth in Cornwall" http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing. Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-) The Torbay Palm or cabbage palm has a clear trunk as far as I know. I don't think they ever have leaves going all the way to the ground. David Poole will know better than I but I don't recall seeing them like this one. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha"
wrote: On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote: snip I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect but widely used. "This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in Falmouth in Cornwall" http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing. Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-) The Torbay Palm or cabbage palm has a clear trunk as far as I know. I don't think they ever have leaves going all the way to the ground. David Poole will know better than I but I don't recall seeing them like this one. Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a Cordyline indivisa? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote: snip I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect but widely used. "This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in Falmouth in Cornwall" http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing. Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-) The Torbay Palm or cabbage palm has a clear trunk as far as I know. I don't think they ever have leaves going all the way to the ground. David Poole will know better than I but I don't recall seeing them like this one. Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a Cordyline indivisa? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post. He is probably wrong.:-) |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" contains these words: I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. I have what the nursery grower claimed was a seedling cordyline indivisa, (have to say, his labelling is not great). It has much broader leaves than the OP's pic, the underneaths are a powdery blue . But it's a slow thing and certainly hasn't make the rapid growth of the OP's, ( still barely 2 ft tall with no trunk, after 2 years) snip Janet. I think on this occasion his labelling is correct. It sounds exactly like a pukka indivisa unlike the one I bought last week from Homebase labelled as such. Nice wide leaves but missing the obligatory blue - a bargain which is to be planted in wet shade as an experiment:-) |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 6/10/06 18:54, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote: snip I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. snip Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a Cordyline indivisa? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post. He is probably wrong.:-) Whoops, sorry! I didn't see that and I should have. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ I do not believe you.You were trying to steal my moment of Glory:-) |
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Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
On 6/10/06 18:54, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote: snip I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps. snip Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a Cordyline indivisa? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post. He is probably wrong.:-) Whoops, sorry! I didn't see that and I should have. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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