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19-01-2008, 01:05 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
Hello All,
Please bear with me as I'm a new 'silver surfer' so I'm still very much a beginner with the Internet and newsgroups. I have been a keen gardener for the last 60 years or so, and I'm slowly reading threads on the site with interest - hopefully I may be able to offer some advice in the fullness of time!! One thing I have recently learnt is that Derris in all forms is to be phased out later this year. I note from searching the site that it enjoys different levels of acceptance, but I have always found it useful. Is anyone aware of this and of any suitable alternatives?? Billit |
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19-01-2008, 06:07 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
Billit says...
Hello All, Please bear with me as I'm a new 'silver surfer' so I'm still very much a beginner with the Internet and newsgroups. I have been a keen gardener for the last 60 years or so, and I'm slowly reading threads on the site with interest - hopefully I may be able to offer some advice in the fullness of time!! One thing I have recently learnt is that Derris in all forms is to be phased out later this year. I note from searching the site that it enjoys different levels of acceptance, but I have always found it useful. Is anyone aware of this and of any suitable alternatives?? Billit Welcome to URG! You will find a good mix of gardening skills here, from beginner through to expert, plus a few folks who just like to stick their oar in. At times it's more like a social club of gardeners rather than strictly just gardening topics, which I think is nice. As you get up to speed with the internet you may find it better to use a proper newsreader to access the group rather than Garden Banter. Garden Banter irritates some posters because it is a commercial organisation that nicks postings from here to put on their own web site. Your choice though obviously - I'm not a net nanny! I get the impression that most people here try to avoid pesticides and other chemicals potentially dangerous to humans, however most take a balanced approach but for some it is a passion. Are you a fruit and veg gardener or flowers or both? I'm always on the lookout for expert advice with my garden. I'm keen but still a relative beginner compared to most here. :-) -- David in Normandy |
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#3
19-01-2008, 06:42 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
On 19 Jan, 13:05, Billit wrote:
One thing I have recently learnt is that Derris in all forms is to be phased out later this year. I note from searching the site that it enjoys different levels of acceptance, but I have always found it useful. Is anyone aware of this and of any suitable alternatives?? Hullo! Glad to see another one bites the dust! You could start looking into enviromesh, yellow sticky traps, Savona, faty acids and oil sprays, biological control, hand picking and companion planting to keep those bugs at bay, if you haven't yet done so. I was invaded by whitefly last year - just brushing against our brussel sprouts leaves and a cloud of flies would follow me. This didn't stop me picking a full bag of sprouts this morning and some leeks. Off course the sprouts are not perfect - but listening to the radio and spending 20 minutes peeling them made me think of the year ahead and that I had shared some of those delicious sprouts with my garden's friends and foes. It's good for the soul  ) |
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19-01-2008, 07:56 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
"Billit" wrote Please bear with me as I'm a new 'silver surfer' so I'm still very much a beginner with the Internet and newsgroups. Welcome, try using Newsgroups direct. Go to Tools then Newsgroups and look up what you are interested in and subscribe. I have been a keen gardener for the last 60 years or so, and I'm slowly reading threads on the site with interest - hopefully I may be able to offer some advice in the fullness of time!! Excellent, all gardeners welcome here. One thing I have recently learnt is that Derris in all forms is to be phased out later this year. I note from searching the site that it enjoys different levels of acceptance, but I have always found it useful. Is anyone aware of this and of any suitable alternatives?? I some times think the authorities are trying to stop people growing their own food. Without Derris we will have to resort to the sort of chemicals I don't like using on food crops. We do try to grow without synthetic chemicals but won't lose a crop over it when there is something that will clear the problem as a last resort. There are so many pests down here nothing is safe and I don't think organic gardening would achieve much other than frustration. Despite rat/mice poison we lost all out peas and sweetcorn this year, am getting some commercial killer stuff from a friend for this year, one meal and they die. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK |
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19-01-2008, 08:00 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
On Jan 19, 1:05*pm, Billit wrote:
Hello All, Please bear with me as I'm a new 'silver surfer' so I'm still very much a beginner with the Internet and newsgroups. I have been a keen gardener for the last 60 years or so, and I'm slowly reading threads on the site with interest - hopefully I may be able to offer some advice in the fullness of time!! One thing I have recently learnt is that Derris in all forms is to be phased out later this year. I note from searching the site that it enjoys different levels of acceptance, but I have always found it useful. Is anyone aware of this and of any suitable alternatives?? Billit -- Billit Hello Billit, I am Judith posting from the Auvergne in France. I am a novice, although I have been gardening for years, I still consider my knowledge is slight. Judith |
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#6
19-01-2008, 09:08 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
Bob Hobden says...
Welcome, try using Newsgroups direct. Go to Tools then Newsgroups and look up what you are interested in and subscribe. Out of curiosity I've just had a look on the Garden Banter web site and it doesn't show anybody's replies to the original poster yet! I posted my reply hours ago. At this rate the poster will have assumed everyone is ignoring him. Yet another reason to use a proper news server and newsgroup reader. -- David in Normandy |
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19-01-2008, 09:43 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
David in Normandy says...
Bob Hobden says... Welcome, try using Newsgroups direct. Go to Tools then Newsgroups and look up what you are interested in and subscribe. Out of curiosity I've just had a look on the Garden Banter web site and it doesn't show anybody's replies to the original poster yet! I posted my reply hours ago. At this rate the poster will have assumed everyone is ignoring him. Yet another reason to use a proper news server and newsgroup reader. Everyone's replies have now reached Garden Banter at the same time. It must be run by bus company managers - 10 hours delay then they all arrive together. -- David in Normandy |
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#8
20-01-2008, 04:19 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Billit" wrote Please bear with me as I'm a new 'silver surfer' so I'm still very much a beginner with the Internet and newsgroups. snip I some times think the authorities are trying to stop people growing their own food. Without Derris we will have to resort to the sort of chemicals I don't like using on food crops. The Soil Association http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvsyh5 recommend derris, but require farmers to apply for certification before use?? Bertie -- Links to some online UK coffee bean and machine suppliers:- http://www.geocities.com/cumberpach/ |
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20-01-2008, 04:40 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
On 20 Jan, 16:19, "Bertie Doe" wrote:
The Soil Association *http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvsyh5recommend derris, but require farmers to apply for certification before use?? I think they only allow one application and as a last resort, hence the certification perhaps. I'm not sure about this. |
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20-01-2008, 06:29 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
"Bertie Doe" wrote after... "Bob Hobden" moaned after "Billit" wrote Please bear with me as I'm a new 'silver surfer' so I'm still very much a beginner with the Internet and newsgroups. snip I some times think the authorities are trying to stop people growing their own food. Without Derris we will have to resort to the sort of chemicals I don't like using on food crops. The Soil Association http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvsyh5 recommend derris, but require farmers to apply for certification before use?? Yes, I had noticed this.. http://www.organiccatalog.com/catalo...roducts_id=525 However, Rotenone is a lethal poison and it doesn't take much to kill a human, a few grams. Is this the reason it's coming off the shelf? Anyone know? -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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21-01-2008, 10:45 AM
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Hello, an old newbie
On 20 Jan, 18:29, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
However, Rotenone is a lethal poison and it doesn't take much to kill a human, a few grams. Is this the reason it's coming off the shelf? Anyone know? Wasn't it because of the dangers of it going in water ways - it's lethal to fish and all water living creatures. |
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#12
21-01-2008, 09:36 PM
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Hello, an old newbie
helene wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: However, Rotenone is a lethal poison and it doesn't take much to kill a human, a few grams. Is this the reason it's coming off the shelf? Anyone know? Wasn't it because of the dangers of it going in water ways - it's lethal to fish and all water living creatures. Lots of things we use are lethal to waterlife, why should the powers that be consider Rotenone for removal from retail sale? I bet professional gardeners like the RHS at Wisley can and will still use it. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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25-01-2008, 02:51 PM
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Sorry about the delay in replying, but I' had some finger trouble. I have dabbled in all sorts over the years, but mostly concentrate on fruit & veg these days. Please bear with me folks, this is still very much space age for me, but my son and grandsons help me out when they visit. Billit |
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