You have not indicated how old or new the house is.

Lots of new housing is actually build on brown field sites where due to the lack of use for a long time foxes and other wild animals move in. This means they are there before the housing and it's impossible to get rid of them.

Also unfortunately due to the increase in population of urban foxes, if you trap and remove/kill the ones in that area other ones will eventually move in again.

The only real solution is to deter them as much as possible from using the garden.

I've read that you should use adult male urine around the boundaries of the garden. I have no idea whether this works but according to other gardeners who use urine for other things such as greening the lawn it doesn't smell. Particularly if it's fresh.

In my own situation where I've had to discourage both foxes and squirrels digging I discovered they don't like chilli powder, and a garlic wash used to deter snails.

Any bathroom cleaners plus disinfectant.

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Hi, I am a bit of a fan of the fox, I envy them, if I could be just
half as good a hunter I'd be as fat as lard !!

Aye. And kill and kill and kill and kill in a frenzy of blood and
feathers? One night a couple of years ago a fox killed 400 of a
neighbouring gamekeeper's pheasants. And yes, they were *HIS* pheasants,
not any syndicates.

Allowing for the cost of raising a pheasant, that's around £2,000-worth.

Having said that, I can see your problem, and if you are in a
residential
area a shotgun will get you in deep doodoo.

But an air rifle just on the right side of legality will sort one,
assuming you are a good enough shot to hit it straight between the eyes.

If not, don't even think about it.

Jeyes fluid might be effective, and will kill any germs.
I have been told that they hate the smell of human urine, but I
don't suppose your clients will like it much either.
I will watch with interest to see how you solve this one,

Human urine has absolutely no effect on them.

An infusion of fetter litter watered round their access points will, OTOH.

Also deters sats, mice, etc, and moles.

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Some Local Authorities will assist.

Local Hunt may be able to advise.

Urine/Jeyes fluid will work.

Hi Mary,
Where to begin,

So we close up our chickens in the evening.

And the rest of the day ?

And the fox comes in during the day, even when we're within feet of it, it
having clambered up and over a six foot wire fence.

No top, not very secure.

And the fox kills the chickens - not for grub because they're only killed,
not eaten.

Wrong, look, when you go shopping you don't just get 1 spud, or 1 cornflake, that would be very inefficient, you buy in quantity. Nature does
not waste effort either. If the fox killed just one, when he came back the next night they might have beggered off, so he kills several, they are going nowhere. Simple common sense. Man is the only creature that kills for the sake of it.

You've tried it ?

They don't work for long.

Tim, you're wrong.

25 years of farming in Norfolk says not.

We've spent a huge amount of time, energy and money building a fox-proof
fence but even that wouldn't be possible in some situations.

O.K., so now you know they can climb, where's the roof to this fox-proof
enclosure ?

Fox are vermin, and should be destroyed.

Why not a neutron bomb, then you could wipe out all life.

If you chat to a gamekeeper he can tell you about a trap they build into their pheasant pens, the bird can go through, the fox cannot.

PK, my gamekeeper friend tells me that those smoke cones they use to fumigate greenhouses will work. Ignite 2 or 3, stuff them down the hole and cover the entrance with wet sacking.


By the way, I suppose you all know that DEFRA are involved in plans to reintroduce the wolf to the UK, parts of Scotland have been earmarked for possible trial sites. Next comes the wild boar and the brown bear.

Keep smiling !

it's a strange thing that gamekeeper argument......

he breeds thousands more birds than would ever naturally breed.......for
them to be shot by the more financially adept society. Some are clean kills
some are wounded.

But then when a natural beast comes along be it a Fox, Crow, Jay or Magpie
he gets ****ed cos it's tacking his eggs or birds..........so he calls them
vermine.

The Magpie he will trap and hang on a fence by its feet, still alive while
it squakes to warn off its fellow family members, until it
dies...........some humanity there I dont think.......dont tell me they dont
do this because I DO KNOW they do.

so while a Fox kills more than he needs, so does a gamekeeper............but
inhumainly.

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from Tim Perry contains these words:

Hi, I am a bit of a fan of the fox, I envy them, if I could be just
half as good a hunter I'd be as fat as lard !!

Aye. And kill and kill and kill and kill

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Why is it that the 'final solution' is suggested for foxes but when
people ask about other vermin such as the cat a different approach is
always suggested. Cats do a lot more damage in an urban environment than
foxes ever will.

If you have problems with urban foxes the solution is to trap them and
release them back into the countryside where they truly belong. Local
fox lovers have had a recent mass release of urban foxes in North
Dengie area with no reported complaints from the locals. This appears
to be an ideal win win solution for the cats problem - the cat is
removed from urban gardens where it is not wanted and the cats are not
killed in the process!
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writes

Why is it that the 'final solution' is suggested for foxes but when
people ask about other vermin such as the cat a different approach is
always suggested. Cats do a lot more damage in an urban environment
than foxes ever will.

If you have problems with urban foxes the solution is to trap them and
release them back into the countryside where they truly belong. Local
fox lovers have had a recent mass release of urban foxes in North
Dengie area with no reported complaints from the locals. This appears
to be an ideal win win solution for the cats problem - the cat is
removed from urban gardens where it is not wanted and the cats are not
killed in the process!

Sadly, the foxes seem to have disappeared from my urban garden.
I used to enjoy watching them on the security camera videos.

I found that they enjoyed a slice of bread spread with honey.
They told me it tasted like chicken. :-)
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Rusty, there are more ways than 1 to interpret most things.

Aye. And kill and kill and kill and kill in a frenzy of blood and
feathers? One night a couple of years ago a fox killed 400 of a
neighbouring gamekeeper's pheasants. And yes, they were *HIS* pheasants,
not any syndicates.

And the fox was supposed to know they were 'his' pheasants, how exactly?

Whenever we create a totally artificial set of circumstances, for example a large gathering of, lets face it, foreign birds, be they pheasants or chicken,
then you have upset the natural order of things, and should expect problems.

What was the intended fate of those pheasants ?, Oh yes, thats right, a frenzy of blood, feathers and shotgun pellets, so how are we any better ?.

It is possible to build fox-proof pens, not too far from where I sit the hunt, until recently, had several where they used to breed foxes for release half an hour before they let the hounds loose.

And before anyone calls me soft, I hunt, but it's just me, a good dog, and sometimes a hawk. But thats not for 'sport', or to make me feel superior because I can destroy something. I hunt to fill my belly, I eat what I kill, and only kill what I eat.

An infusion of fetter litter watered round their access points will, OTOH.

Also deters sats, mice, etc, and moles.

O.K., then thats something else PK can try. That was the original purpose
for this thread, remember.

"Tim Perry" wrote in message
...


Wrong, look, when you go shopping you don't just get 1 spud, or 1
cornflake, that would be very inefficient, you buy in quantity. Nature
does
not waste effort either. If the fox killed just one, when he came back
the next night they might have beggered off, so he kills several, they
are going nowhere. Simple common sense. Man is the only creature that
kills for the sake of it.

Oh, I didn't realise that you knew how the fox thinks.



We've spent a huge amount of time, energy and money building a
fox-proof
fence but even that wouldn't be possible in some situations.

O.K., so now you know they can climb, where's the roof to this
fox-proof
enclosure ?

There are upright posts welded to the top which no fox can get through or
over. We're more intelligent than the fox.


If you chat to a gamekeeper he can tell you about a trap they build
into their pheasant pens, the bird can go through, the fox cannot.

That doesn't work in a garden.

Quite apart from the poultry I don't want fox (or dog or cat) in the garden.

"Tim Perry" wrote in message
...

Rusty, there are more ways than 1 to interpret most things.


And before anyone calls me soft, I hunt, but it's just me, a good dog,
and sometimes a hawk. But thats not for 'sport', or to make me feel
superior because I can destroy something. I hunt to fill my belly, I
eat what I kill, and only kill what I eat.

If that's what a fox did it would be more understandable (we don't all have
your special knowledge of the animal's thinking).

We keep chickens to provide some of our food. If that's foiled by a fox then
our bellies aren't filled. So by your terms we have a right to kill what
prevents that aim.

The cat, (another foreign import), affects both town and country alike,
exacting a heavy toll upon our native songbirds every year.
If fact, were it not for the foxes, we might be up to our knees in
semi-feral moggies.

But the situation is somewhat different, they are not a native wild
species, and at some point were allegedly someones domestic pet,
ie someone was responsible for it.

O.K., make it illegal to pass on or sell any cat that has not been 'doctored',
stop them breeding out of control.

[quote=Mary Fisher;812106]

I don't have to know what the fox thinks, I can think for myself.

And the fox comes in during the day, even when we're within feet of it, it
having clambered up and over a six foot wire fence.

We've spent a huge amount of time, energy and money building a
fox-proof
fence but even that wouldn't be possible in some situations.

There are upright posts welded to the top which no fox can get through or
over. We're more intelligent than the fox.

Sorry, but did the fox climb in or not ??

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An infusion of fetter litter watered round their access points will, OTOH.

Also deters sats, mice, etc, and moles.

Oops! Fingers out of synch -

Ferret litter...

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The message
from Tim Perry contains these words:


Hi Mary,
Where to begin,

So we close up our chickens in the evening.

And the rest of the day ?

And the fox comes in during the day, even when we're within feet of it,
it
having clambered up and over a six foot wire fence.

No top, not very secure.

And the fox kills the chickens - not for grub because they're only
killed,
not eaten.

Wrong, look, when you go shopping you don't just get 1 spud, or 1
cornflake, that would be very inefficient, you buy in quantity. Nature
does
not waste effort either. If the fox killed just one, when he came back
the next night they might have beggered off, so he kills several, they
are going nowhere. Simple common sense. Man is the only creature that
kills for the sake of it.

You've tried it ?

They don't work for long.

Tim, you're wrong.

25 years of farming in Norfolk says not.

We've spent a huge amount of time, energy and money building a
fox-proof
fence but even that wouldn't be possible in some situations.

O.K., so now you know they can climb, where's the roof to this
fox-proof
enclosure ?

Fox are vermin, and should be destroyed.

Why not a neutron bomb, then you could wipe out all life.

If you chat to a gamekeeper he can tell you about a trap they build
into their pheasant pens, the bird can go through, the fox cannot.

What on earth have you done with your attributions - it's pretty nearly
impossible to follow the above, and who's saying what. Indeed, who?

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