Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?

"Jimgentracer" wrote in message
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Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a
wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath
hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?




A wild flower is a wild flower regardless of location.
Ditto for a cultivated or selectively bred plant for the garden.

mark

Jimgentracer writes

Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a
wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath
hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?

Usually a wild flower is taken to mean a british native, so the English
bluebell in your garden is a wild flower being cultivated in the garden,
and if the rose in the towpath hedgerow is a garden variety (as opposed
to a dog rose or one of the other british native species) then it's a
garden escape, not a wild flower.

Bit like animals. The hedgehog in your garden is still a wild animal,
even if you feed it nightly, whereas the cat living along the canal is
feral, not wild.
--
Kay

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:43:57 +0100, Jimgentracer
wrote:

Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a
wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath
hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?

no, its an escape which may eventually naturalize if it flourishes, It
will always be listed as "introduced" or similar IIRC, not "native".
--
CanThrashMotors

On Apr 23, 6:43*pm, Jimgentracer Jimgentracer.
wrote:
Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a
wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath
hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?

--
Jimgentracer

Attitudes change all the time. Great Uncle Victor (my first gardening
tutor) declared, "A weed, boy, is any plant that ain't where you want
it to be."

In the sixties a young gardener friend of mine was sacked from his job
at a stately home because he could not bring himself to pull up
dandylions and other "wild" flowers from formal beds, because he
thought they were just as "valid" as any other flower.

Diferent strokes......

On Apr 24, 10:48*am, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:38:32 -0700 (PDT), moghouse
wrote:





On Apr 23, 6:43*pm, Jimgentracer Jimgentracer.
wrote:
Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a
wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath
hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?

--
Jimgentracer

Attitudes change all the time. Great Uncle Victor (my first gardening
tutor) declared, "A weed, boy, is any plant that ain't where you want
it to be."

In the sixties a young gardener friend of mine was sacked from his job
at a stately home because he could not bring himself to pull up
dandylions and other "wild" flowers from formal beds, because he
thought they were just as "valid" as any other flower.

Diferent strokes......

is your friend on GW nowadays?

Do you mean did he have a sex change and beecome Carol Klein? No, I
don't think so, he became a jazz pianist.I do sometimes wonder what
his own garden is like.

In message , K
writes
Jimgentracer writes

Does anyone know if a bluebell is in my garden, does that make it not a
wild flower and the same question goes, if I find a rose on a towpath
hedgerow is that making it a wild flower?

Usually a wild flower is taken to mean a british native, so the English
bluebell in your garden is a wild flower being cultivated in the
garden, and if the rose in the towpath hedgerow is a garden variety (as
opposed to a dog rose or one of the other british native species) then
it's a garden escape, not a wild flower.

Bit like animals. The hedgehog in your garden is still a wild animal,
even if you feed it nightly, whereas the cat living along the canal is
feral, not wild.

Agreed. There are some plants listed in Schedule 8 of the Wildlife &
Countryside Act 1981 which are protected under Section 13 of the Act in
that they may not be picked or destroyed. It also states that all wild
plants may not be uprooted but, from memory it does not define 'wild'.

--
Robert

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from robert contains these words:

Agreed. There are some plants listed in Schedule 8 of the Wildlife &
Countryside Act 1981 which are protected under Section 13 of the Act in
that they may not be picked or destroyed. It also states that all wild
plants may not be uprooted but, from memory it does not define 'wild'.

And that leaves farmers where?

Does my neighbour risk prosecution for cleaning out his ditches and
uprooting reedmace, lady's smock, primroses, meadowsweet and cowslips,
not to mention grass and chickweed?

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Rusty
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Rusty_Hinge writes
The message
from robert contains these words:

Agreed. There are some plants listed in Schedule 8 of the Wildlife &
Countryside Act 1981 which are protected under Section 13 of the Act in
that they may not be picked or destroyed. It also states that all wild
plants may not be uprooted but, from memory it does not define 'wild'.

And that leaves farmers where?

What the Act says is that they may not be uprooted without permission of
the landowner, which means there is no problem for the farmer.


--
Kay

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Rusty_Hinge writes
The message
from robert contains these words:

Agreed. There are some plants listed in Schedule 8 of the Wildlife &
Countryside Act 1981 which are protected under Section 13 of the Act in
that they may not be picked or destroyed. It also states that all wild
plants may not be uprooted but, from memory it does not define 'wild'.

And that leaves farmers where?

Does my neighbour risk prosecution for cleaning out his ditches and
uprooting reedmace, lady's smock, primroses, meadowsweet and cowslips,
not to mention grass and chickweed?

As a farmer your neighbour will know that he is safe unless his/her land
is under an agri-environment scheme with management requirements that
stipulate that the ditch or other land is managed in a particular
manner.

Restrictions tend to apply to the use of herbicides rather than
manual/mechanical uprooting of plants and even management for the
creation or restoration of species rich semi-natural grassland allows
for scrub control where uncontrolled growth would impact on the natural
regeneration of grasses and wildflower plants that are native to the
area.

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Robert