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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
Martin wrote: On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:44:23 +0000, Terry Fields wrote: Pete wrote: As a tomato lover and grower and arthritis sufferer, I would be interested to learn of your source for the conflict between toms and arthritis. The nightshade family contains the alkaloid solanin; it's thought that arthritis sufferers can't process this into something harmless, so it winds up irritating the already-inflamed joints. As a result, missing out tomatoes and sweet peppers is a good idea, as is taking cod liver oil, which produces natural prostaglandin anti-inflammatories. http://arthritis.about.com/b/2006/09...hade-foods.htm "Nightshade Vegetables: Should People With Arthritis Avoid Nightshade Foods? Nightshade vegetables are among the foods that some people feel can trigger arthritis flares. Others feel their arthritis symptoms improve when nightshade vegetables are avoided. What are nightshade vegetables? According to The George Mateljan Foundation, food members of the nightshade family include: potatoes (not sweet potatoes) tomatoes eggplant sweet and hot peppers (including paprika, cayenne pepper and Tabasco sauce) ground cherries tomatillos and tamarillos garden huckleberry and naranjillas pepinos and pimentos Should people with arthritis avoid nightshade vegetables? According to the University of Washington website, "No foods have been definitively shown to cause or exacerbate arthritis in most individuals. A variety of diets and hand-me-down information exists about certain foods and arthritis, in particular the night shade plants, but none of it has been proven." The effect of foods on arthritis symptoms vary greatly from person to person. It is an individual decision whether or not to avoid nightshade vegetables." The full paper (referenced) is also interesting: http://www.noarthritis.com/research.htm Abstract Diet appears to be a factor in the etiology of arthritis based on surveys of over 1400 volunteers during a 20-year period. Plants in the drug family, Solanaceae (nightshades) are an important causative factor in arthritis in sensitive people. This family includes potato (Solanum tuberosum L.), tomato (Lycopersicon esculentum L.), eggplant (Solanum melongena L.), tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum L.), and peppers (Capsicum sp.) of all kinds except the black pepper (family, Piperaceae). A buildup of cholinesterase inhibiting glycoalkaloids and steroids from consumption and/or use (tobacco) of the nightshades and from other sources such as caffeine and some pesticides (organophosphates and carbamates) may cause inflammation, muscle spasms, pain, and stiffness. Osteoarthritis appears to be a result of long-term consumption and/or use of the Solanaceae which contain naturally the active metabolite, vitamin D3, which in excess causes crippling and early disability (as seen in livestock). Rigid omission of Solanaceae, with other minor diet adjustments, has resulted in positive to marked improvement in arthritis and general health. |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
"Sacha" wrote in message ... The only time I was told to avoid eating tomatoes was when I was breast-feeding my first child who is now 34. I *love* tomatoes so it's a good job he was born in February! They do come in tins etc. as well ! Thanks for everbody's contributions -certainly food for thought (:-( More food depression coming on Channel 4 shortly, I fear. A "must-watch" on fish. Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
On 6 Mar, 19:10, "Pete" wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... The only time I was told to avoid eating tomatoes was when I was breast-feeding my first child who is now 34. *I *love* tomatoes so it's a good job he was born in February! They do come in tins etc. as well ! Thanks for everbody's contributions -certainly food for thought (:-( More food depression coming on Channel 4 shortly, I fear. A "must-watch" on fish. Regards Petewww.thecanalshop.com If you want to know if Tomatoes upset your digestine system and or agrivate arthritus then keep a food diary, this way you will be able to see if there is any corelation between eating them, (and the type eaten) and any occurance of any adverse effects. David Hill |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
* *If, as you posted earlier, *you have been gardening since Geoff Hamilton's time then you surely know there is no *general purpose seed-planting routine. It is always specific, depending on the type of plant, the size of seed, the time of year Only since Geoff Hamiltons time? No wonder you are still learning, now in My day with Gardening club with Percy Thrower Taught you so much more, like keeping your foot on the turf as you used a hollow tine fork to stop the turf comming up stuck to the fork, that if you had a greenhouse on the roof of broadcasting house then it didn't need glass and much more, but in those days programmes were broadcast live and mistakes had to be covered. They didn't have the advantage that TV cooks Like Philip Harben had of going to the oven for the "One I prepared Earlier" (Yes it was Philip Harben and not Blue Peter that originated that phrase). But my gardening education started much earlier with Adam the Gardener who was in the News of the World. I would toddle off to our Land lady out on Llyne peninsular in Sarn Bach where she would sit me on her knee and read Adam the Gardener to me every Sunday, from just after the end of the war. Ahhhhhhhhh! Those were the days. David Hill |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
Roo wrote:
On 5 Mar, 21:00, Terry Fields wrote: [...] In fact, I don't think there's anything wrong with the presenters, just programme production. That's right. But telly producers aren't interested in gardening: what they like watching is people. Oh, and it could've done with more music at times, which certainly helps to raise the gardening spirit ! Heck, no! Not more gratuitous music chosen by somebody else: I find it really irritating. -- Mike. |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Terry Fields contains these words: Take seed-planting, as it featured prominently last night. There may be all sorts of ways of planting seeds, but if a newcomer had bought or been given a clutch of seeds, what general-purpose seed-planting routine (that could be easily remembered) would be adequate for most of them? It seems to me that there is plenty of specific advice on GW, but what general routine is there that would be recalled and used, and would stand a chance of giving useful results? If, as you posted earlier, you have been gardening since Geoff Hamilton's time then you surely know there is no general purpose seed-planting routine. It is always specific, depending on the type of plant, the size of seed, the time of year Janet Yes, I personally know that; but a newcomer might not. General advice that works most of the time, which can easily be remembered, would be of use to such a group. After all, one wants to attract people in the hobby, not repel them with too much specificity. It might not work all the time, but would give the newbie a base on which to start. They can refine the technique in the decades that follow. TF |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Terry Fields contains these words: Round here the fields (and gardens) are practically waterlogged, and a few days of sun and wind have made little impact on that. It must be the same over much of the country, but this just wasn't taken up by the programme. Why should it be? GW, like gardening posters here, know that there is no "must be the same conditions over the rest of the country". We all have different weather as posts here constantly demonstrate Janet But soggy ground is soggy ground, weather or not one likes it. Can't GW cope with a programme about soggy ground and how to deal with it? TF |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Terry Fields contains these words: Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Terry Fields contains these words: Take seed-planting, as it featured prominently last night. There may be all sorts of ways of planting seeds, but if a newcomer had bought or been given a clutch of seeds, what general-purpose seed-planting routine (that could be easily remembered) would be adequate for most of them? It seems to me that there is plenty of specific advice on GW, but what general routine is there that would be recalled and used, and would stand a chance of giving useful results? If, as you posted earlier, you have been gardening since Geoff Hamilton's time then you surely know there is no general purpose seed-planting routine. It is always specific, depending on the type of plant, the size of seed, the time of year Janet Yes, I personally know that; but a newcomer might not. General advice that works most of the time, which can easily be remembered, would be of use to such a group. But you have just agreed, such general advice is meaningless. Perhaps you'd like to re-read the context of what you think is the relevant comment. |
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Gardener's World Friday 5th March 2010
Martin wrote: On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:02:26 +0000, Terry Fields wrote: Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Terry Fields contains these words: Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from Terry Fields contains these words: Take seed-planting, as it featured prominently last night. There may be all sorts of ways of planting seeds, but if a newcomer had bought or been given a clutch of seeds, what general-purpose seed-planting routine (that could be easily remembered) would be adequate for most of them? It seems to me that there is plenty of specific advice on GW, but what general routine is there that would be recalled and used, and would stand a chance of giving useful results? If, as you posted earlier, you have been gardening since Geoff Hamilton's time then you surely know there is no general purpose seed-planting routine. It is always specific, depending on the type of plant, the size of seed, the time of year Yes, I personally know that; but a newcomer might not. General advice that works most of the time, which can easily be remembered, would be of use to such a group. But you have just agreed, such general advice is meaningless. Perhaps you'd like to re-read the context of what you think is the relevant comment. I read Janet's post it was clear enough to me. You contradicted yourself. Then post the contradictory phrases, with context, and I'll tell you where your mistake lies. TF |
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