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On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 12:04:40 GMT, Baz wrote:

The house is sodden. Everything was new from the last episode. Knacked
now.

That wasn't that long ago was it, month or two? Doesn't sound like you
were "properly flooded"(*), you're back in too quick. Properly flooed
would mean all timber floors out, plaster off the walls a couple of feet
above the water line, all wiring and plumbing strippped, then a couple
of
weeks with dehumidifiers runing 24/7 to dry the place out before putting
the floor back, first fix, replastering, decorating etc. 6 months
plus...
B-(

Don't get me wrong even a 1/4" of water through the ground floor is 1/4"
too much requiring new carpets at the minimum. Surprised insurers
haven't
insisted on flood barriers at doors and air bricks, anti back flow
valves
in drains etc.

I'd *never* buy a place that was less than 15' above the normal water
level of a beck. 30' for a large river, even if said river was miles
away. Of course these days it's easy to look on the EA's web site and
see
the flood zones and even monitor river levels in almost real time.

So damn depressing to be dependent on others.

At least you have Hotel in Law and the Son Inn.

But he wasn't talking about rivers. He mentioned "Drain covers bursting
up and out and flooding the roads"

Which I experienced last week.

Oh noooo

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On 06/07/2012 13:04, Baz wrote:
After all the money Anglian and Severn Trent Water Authority spent, we have
it again. Drain covers bursting up and out and flooding the roads causing
real danger to anybody either driving, cycling or walking,
The house is sodden. Everything was new from the last episode. Knacked now.
Looks like we will be at hotel in law again. The Son Inn.
So damn depressing to be dependent on others.

Baz




I'm so very sorry to hear that, Baz! It must be making your life a
misery :~((. I would hate to have to depend on family to that extent,
but thank goodness they're prepared to take you in.

I don't know how you manage to cope with it again and again. You have my
considerable sympathy and prayers. Hope everything dries out quickly
for you so you can get back to normal and feel safe again.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

On Jul 6, 1:04*pm, Baz wrote:
After all the money Anglian and Severn Trent Water Authority spent, we have
it again. Drain covers bursting up and out and flooding the roads causing
real danger to anybody either driving, cycling or walking,
The house is sodden. Everything was new from the last episode. Knacked now.
Looks like we will be at hotel in law again. The Son Inn.
So damn depressing to be dependent on others.

Baz

Well you have my sympathy but you need to get your house properly
flood proofed.
There are two levels.
1. Keeping the water out.
2. If the house floods minimum damage is done.

There are lots of things can be done so that even if the house floods,
it only takes a few days to clear up.
You can start here.
http://www.findaproperty.com/displaystory.aspx?
edid=00&salerent=0&storyid=8289

You should have done this last time.

harry wrote in
:

On Jul 6, 1:04 pm, Baz wrote:
After all the money Anglian and Severn Trent Water Authority spent,
we ha
ve
it again. Drain covers bursting up and out and flooding the roads
causing real danger to anybody either driving, cycling or walking,
The house is sodden. Everything was new from the last episode.
Knacked no
w.
Looks like we will be at hotel in law again. The Son Inn.
So damn depressing to be dependent on others.

Baz

Well you have my sympathy but you need to get your house properly
flood proofed.
There are two levels.
1. Keeping the water out.
2. If the house floods minimum damage is done.

There are lots of things can be done so that even if the house floods,
it only takes a few days to clear up.
You can start here.
http://www.findaproperty.com/displaystory.aspx?
edid=00&salerent=0&storyid=8289

You should have done this last time.

Sorry, harry I can't access your link.
BUT we have done everything the insurers insisted we should do, and again
we have water everywhere. I am meeting them at 13.00 (1pm)

This isn't a river bursting its banks, but poor management and maintenance
from Anglian and Severn Trent. We have never had this in S****horpe before
this year. So it is not classed as a flood zone. It is pure neglect and
cost reduction/cutting.

Baz

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:00:29 GMT, Baz wrote:


Sorry, harry I can't access your link.

Baz


http://tinyurl.com/d8jom7y

Harry's link was broken. My tinyurl one will work if you're interested
in what he was on about.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay. We don't yet have a
"dah dah dah dah dee dee deeee" theme tune but we're working on it.

Can't tell astilbe from aranthus
But I can from an acanthus!

Jake wrote in
:

http://tinyurl.com/d8jom7y

Thanks for the tinyurl.
Norwich Union are my insurers, and they accept that we do not live in a
flood area. The latest incident is being investigated, I was told today.

Baz

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:00:29 GMT, Baz wrote:

BUT we have done everything the insurers insisted we should do, and
again we have water everywhere. I am meeting them at 13.00 (1pm)

Well at least they should cough up again but I bet they start squirming
with more things you need to do and hiking your premium next year. B-(

This isn't a river bursting its banks, but poor management and
maintenance from Anglian and Severn Trent. We have never had this in
S****horpe before this year. So it is not classed as a flood zone. It
is pure neglect and cost reduction/cutting.

If that is proveable and simply not sheer volume of water overwhelming
the system.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
says...

harry wrote in
:

On Jul 6, 1:04 pm, Baz wrote:
After all the money Anglian and Severn Trent Water Authority spent,
we ha
ve
it again. Drain covers bursting up and out and flooding the roads
causing real danger to anybody either driving, cycling or walking,
The house is sodden. Everything was new from the last episode.
Knacked no
w.
Looks like we will be at hotel in law again. The Son Inn.
So damn depressing to be dependent on others.

Baz

Well you have my sympathy but you need to get your house properly
flood proofed.
There are two levels.
1. Keeping the water out.
2. If the house floods minimum damage is done.

There are lots of things can be done so that even if the house floods,
it only takes a few days to clear up.
You can start here.
http://www.findaproperty.com/displaystory.aspx?
edid=00&salerent=0&storyid=8289

You should have done this last time.

Sorry, harry I can't access your link.
BUT we have done everything the insurers insisted we should do, and again
we have water everywhere. I am meeting them at 13.00 (1pm)

This isn't a river bursting its banks, but poor management and maintenance
from Anglian and Severn Trent. We have never had this in S****horpe before
this year.

Which suggests that the manmade infrastructure was adequately designed
for all previously experienced weather conditions in the area.

So it is not classed as a flood zone. It is pure neglect and
cost reduction/cutting.

How could any amount of planning/ man made infrastructure in a non-
flood-zone, foresee or forestall such exceptional conditions.

Janet

On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:48:07 +0100, Janet wrote:


How could any amount of planning/ man made infrastructure in a non-
flood-zone, foresee or forestall such exceptional conditions.

Note that Baz isn't on about rivers overflowing; rather he's on about
manhole covers being shoved up to allow egress of water.

My late parents lived at the bottom of a hill. The powers that be
decided to build up that hill. Dad died. Mum died. I sold the house,
honestly saying that it had never been flooded. Building up the hill
continued.

A year after the sale, exceptional rainfall did the trick. The house
was flooded. Actually the rainfall wasn't that exceptional. It was
simply that the ongoing extension of buildings had an impact - drains
couldn't cope.

So the planning messes things up.

The man-made infrastructure messes things up.

A non-flood zone becomes a flood zone because it happens to be at the
bottom of something.

Planners refuse to foresee anything.

And because everyone with any power over the situation turns their
back, there can be no forestalling.

Meanwhile Baz gets flooded out twice in quick succession (something
which you seem to have disputed elsewhere). He has had little time to
do anything to prevent flooding since the last occasion (which, if he
followed this group properly, Harry would have realised).

Yes, conditions are exceptional. But they could have been foreseen.
And people like Baz are innocent victims. They do not need
pontification from anyone. They deserve our sympathy, even if they
don't ask for it but, matter-of-factly, simply report the situation
they are in.

In the past, I've posted "are you ok" messages when there have been
exceptional circumstances where you are. I will, in future, show the
same degree of sympathy for you as you do for others.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay. We don't yet have a
"dah dah dah dah dee dee deeee" theme tune but we're working on it.

Can't tell astilbe from aranthus
But I can from an acanthus!

On a lighter note but still floods, this time in Edinburgh, area known as
the Meadows. My daughter was swimming her Springerdor dog when a couple of
blokes stripped off and dived in, she has a video but I haven't seen it yet
:-)

kate

In article ,
lid says...

On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:48:07 +0100, Janet wrote:


How could any amount of planning/ man made infrastructure in a non-
flood-zone, foresee or forestall such exceptional conditions.

Note that Baz isn't on about rivers overflowing; rather he's on about
manhole covers being shoved up to allow egress of water.

Which is due to the drains/sewers being unable to contain the volume of
water pouring in, which is due to exceptional rainfall onto saturated
ground which can absorb no more after the wettest June on record.

Meanwhile Baz gets flooded out twice in quick succession (something
which you seem to have disputed elsewhere).

Not me.

He has had little time to
do anything to prevent flooding since the last occasion (which, if he
followed this group properly, Harry would have realised).

Yes, conditions are exceptional. But they could have been foreseen.

Which "they" do you think could foretell the wettest June in a century?

And people like Baz are innocent victims. They do not need
pontification from anyone.

Apparently, nor did he need the flood-experienced advice I offered
before his first flood in mid -April, advice rudely rejected by Baz then
confirmed by other posters.

In the past, I've posted "are you ok" messages when there have been
exceptional circumstances where you are. I will, in future, show the
same degree of sympathy for you as you do for others.

Get over yourself.

Janet

On Jul 7, 1:00*pm, Baz wrote:
harry wrote :





On Jul 6, 1:04 pm, Baz wrote:
After all the money Anglian and Severn Trent Water Authority spent,
we ha
ve
it again. Drain covers bursting up and out and flooding the roads
causing real danger to anybody either driving, cycling or walking,
The house is sodden. Everything was new from the last episode.
Knacked no
w.
Looks like we will be at hotel in law again. The Son Inn.
So damn depressing to be dependent on others.

Baz

Well you have my sympathy but you need to get your house properly
flood proofed.
There are two levels.
1. Keeping the water out.
2. If the house floods minimum damage is done.

There are lots of things can be done so that even if the house floods,
it only takes a few days to clear up.
You can start here.
http://www.findaproperty.com/displaystory.aspx?
edid=00&salerent=0&storyid=8289

You should have done this last time.

Sorry, harry I can't access your link.
BUT we have done everything the insurers insisted we should do, and again
we have water everywhere. I am meeting them at 13.00 (1pm)

This isn't a river bursting its banks, but poor management and maintenance
from Anglian and Severn Trent. We have never had this in S****horpe before
this year. So it is not classed as a flood zone. It is pure neglect and
cost reduction/cutting.

Baz- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's global warming setting in. Extreme weather events. As promised.

On Jul 7, 9:19*pm, Jake wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:48:07 +0100, Janet wrote:
*How could any amount of planning/ man made infrastructure in a non-
flood-zone, foresee or forestall such exceptional conditions.

Note that Baz isn't on about rivers overflowing; rather he's on about
manhole covers being shoved up to allow egress of water.

My late parents lived at the bottom of a hill. The powers that be
decided to build up that hill. Dad died. Mum died. I sold the house,
honestly saying that it had never been flooded. Building up the hill
continued.

A year after the sale, exceptional rainfall did the trick. The house
was flooded. Actually the rainfall wasn't that exceptional. It was
simply that the ongoing extension of buildings had an impact - drains
couldn't cope.

So the planning messes things up.

The man-made infrastructure messes things up.

A non-flood zone becomes a flood zone because it happens to be at the
bottom of something.

Planners refuse to foresee anything.

And because everyone with any power over the situation turns their
back, there can be no forestalling.

Meanwhile Baz gets flooded out twice in quick succession (something
which you seem to have disputed elsewhere). He has had little time to
do anything to prevent flooding since the last occasion (which, if he
followed this group properly, Harry would have realised).

Yes, conditions are exceptional. But they could have been foreseen.
And people like Baz are innocent victims. They do not need
pontification from anyone. They deserve our sympathy, even if they
don't ask for it but, matter-of-factly, simply report the situation
they are in.

In the past, I've posted "are you ok" messages when there have been
exceptional circumstances where you are. I will, in future, show the
same degree of sympathy for you as you do for others.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay. We don't yet have a
"dah dah dah dah dee dee deeee" theme tune but we're working on it.

Can't tell astilbe from aranthus
But I can from an acanthus!

Infra structure is sized on previous experience/statistics. It's not
possible to size it on future events.

Mind you adding housing without improving the infrastructure is
stupid.

You'll probably find the local council has got rid of their highways
department and some bloody clerk is running the show.
Happening everywhere.

Wettest June. Not wettest month. June is usually a relatively dry month. What is exceptional in June is not necessarily exceptional overall, and one might expect a drainage system built to cope with the worst of autumn, winter or spring rainfall to be able to cope with even an exceptional June.

Not quite true. You collect info on past events, use it to find a model that fits, then use the model to assess the probability of future events. So if your model is based on a data set which includes several "once in 10 year" events, you may well be able to predict the size of a "once in a hundred years" event.