I have just found a source of fresh horse-doo-doos. This is taken from
the paddock rather than the stable so no straw, shavings, urine etc. just
the poo, very fresh.

So, can I put it straight onto the veggie beds, or do I need to let it
rot down a bit first? Opinions seem to vary.

tia Derek

On 08/08/2013 20:32, Derek Turner wrote:
I have just found a source of fresh horse-doo-doos. This is taken from
the paddock rather than the stable so no straw, shavings, urine etc. just
the poo, very fresh.

So, can I put it straight onto the veggie beds, or do I need to let it
rot down a bit first? Opinions seem to vary.

tia Derek

If you have a compost heap then I would layer it in the heap, it will
improve your compost no end.
Otherwise I'd bag it and leave it a few months.

On 08/08/2013 23:01, David Hill wrote:

If you have a compost heap then I would layer it in the heap, it will
improve your compost no end.
Otherwise I'd bag it and leave it a few months.


That's good advice, just to kill of all the grass seed.

On 08/08/2013 23:01, David Hill wrote:
On 08/08/2013 20:32, Derek Turner wrote:
I have just found a source of fresh horse-doo-doos. This is taken from
the paddock rather than the stable so no straw, shavings, urine etc. just
the poo, very fresh.

So, can I put it straight onto the veggie beds, or do I need to let it
rot down a bit first? Opinions seem to vary.

tia Derek

If you have a compost heap then I would layer it in the heap, it will
improve your compost no end.
Otherwise I'd bag it and leave it a few months.

The other thing to do is ferment some with straw for growing mushrooms!

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Regards,
Martin Brown

Saxman wrote in news:ku15np$g2j$1
@news.albasani.net:

On 08/08/2013 23:01, David Hill wrote:

If you have a compost heap then I would layer it in the heap, it will
improve your compost no end.
Otherwise I'd bag it and leave it a few months.


That's good advice, just to kill of all the grass seed.

I don't think that grass seed will rot down very quickly. 10 years? Nettles
10 years? I don't know this as fact. But I read it in this group that some
seeds can lie dormant, even in a compost heap for decades.

Baz

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:43:15 +0000, Baz wrote:

Saxman wrote in news:ku15np$g2j$1
@news.albasani.net:

On 08/08/2013 23:01, David Hill wrote:

If you have a compost heap then I would layer it in the heap, it will
improve your compost no end.
Otherwise I'd bag it and leave it a few months.


That's good advice, just to kill of all the grass seed.

I don't think that grass seed will rot down very quickly. 10 years?
Nettles 10 years? I don't know this as fact. But I read it in this group
that some seeds can lie dormant, even in a compost heap for decades.

Baz

Depends a lot on whether it's a hot heap or a cold one, IWHT. I've
measured well over 60 deg C in a hot 'dalek' and grass clippings reduced
to ash.

Derek Turner wrote in news:b6kjooFodmnU1
@mid.individual.net:

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:43:15 +0000, Baz wrote:

Saxman wrote in news:ku15np$g2j$1
@news.albasani.net:

On 08/08/2013 23:01, David Hill wrote:

If you have a compost heap then I would layer it in the heap, it will
improve your compost no end.
Otherwise I'd bag it and leave it a few months.


That's good advice, just to kill of all the grass seed.

I don't think that grass seed will rot down very quickly. 10 years?
Nettles 10 years? I don't know this as fact. But I read it in this group
that some seeds can lie dormant, even in a compost heap for decades.

Baz

Depends a lot on whether it's a hot heap or a cold one, IWHT. I've
measured well over 60 deg C in a hot 'dalek' and grass clippings reduced
to ash.

We are talking about seed, not clippings. Also 60c would not reduce them to
ash, would it? Would that temperature kill seed?

Baz

On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 22:46:02 GMT, Baz wrote:

Depends a lot on whether it's a hot heap or a cold one, IWHT. I've

measured well over 60 deg C in a hot 'dalek' and grass clippings
reduced to ash.

We are talking about seed, not clippings. Also 60c would not reduce them
to ash, would it? Would that temperature kill seed?

If there was ash I suspect the heap spontanesly caught fire, like
some of the bales of haylidge put out around here for the sheep can
do if the sheep are a bit slow in eating it/breaking the bale apart.

I suspect 60 C is hot enough to kill some seeds but probably not all.
Upper 70's to 80 C probably would make everything non-viable.
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Cheers
Dave.

"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
I have just found a source of fresh horse-doo-doos. This is taken from
the paddock rather than the stable so no straw, shavings, urine etc. just
the poo, very fresh.

So, can I put it straight onto the veggie beds, or do I need to let it
rot down a bit first? Opinions seem to vary.

Used fresh, it will burn plants. It needs to mature, maybe a couple of
months.
--
Pete C

On 10/08/2013 21:58, Pete C wrote:
"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
I have just found a source of fresh horse-doo-doos. This is taken from
the paddock rather than the stable so no straw, shavings, urine etc. just
the poo, very fresh.

So, can I put it straight onto the veggie beds, or do I need to let it
rot down a bit first? Opinions seem to vary.

Used fresh, it will burn plants. It needs to mature, maybe a couple of
months.


They used to sell human excrement in Victorian times. What they used it
for I do not know.

"Saxman" wrote in message ...


They used to sell human excrement in Victorian times. What they used it
for I do not know.


And long after Victoria too !

I recall processed excrement being sold by the UDC treatment plants dirt
cheap in sacks as fertiliser
in the 1950's.

Pete

In article ,
lid says...

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:33:44 +0100, "Peter & Jeanne"
wrote:



"Saxman" wrote in message ...


They used to sell human excrement in Victorian times. What they used it
for I do not know.


And long after Victoria too !

I recall processed excrement being sold by the UDC treatment plants dirt
cheap in sacks as fertiliser
in the 1950's.

Processed sewage that was full of heavy metals?

As recently as the 1980's, growers in Stirlingshire could get the
septic-tank service to pump the contents of domestic septic tanks onto
their land.

Janet.

"Martin" wrote in message
.. .


Processed sewage that was full of heavy metals?


Dunno what it was full of, but plants seemed to thrive on its application -
(:-)

Pete

On 11/08/2013 23:11, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:58:53 +0100, "Peter & Jeanne"
wrote:



"Martin" wrote in message
...


Processed sewage that was full of heavy metals?


Dunno what it was full of, but plants seemed to thrive on its application -
(:-)

OK if you don't grow vegetables.

Well it used to be collected from Hong Kong and taken to the New
Territories as Night Soil, used to improve the fertility of the soil for
veg growing, the produce was then sold in Hong Kong and so the cycle
was started again.

"David Hill" wrote
On 11/08/2013 23:11, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 21:58:53 +0100, "Peter & Jeanne"
wrote:

"Martin" wrote in message
...

Processed sewage that was full of heavy metals?

Dunno what it was full of, but plants seemed to thrive on its
application -
(:-)

OK if you don't grow vegetables.

Well it used to be collected from Hong Kong and taken to the New
Territories as Night Soil, used to improve the fertility of the soil
for veg growing, the produce was then sold in Hong Kong and so the
cycle was started again.

They still use human sewage sludge in the UK for agricultural
fertiliser - after it's been through the usual treatment processes. They
call it "biosolids" and try not to use the word sewage too much in
descriptions these days to make it sound more up to the minute and
respectable as a fertiliser. Field grown crops we all eat have often
been grown with the useful aid of human poop, whether we know it or not.
Got to use the stuff somewhere or we'd all be up to our knees in it by
now!

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Sue