Stephen Howard6/12/03 4:10

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:42:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:



That is an outright lie. Mary said
" He refused to lose his German accent, even though he'd been here for about
seventy years"
That seems to me to be a straightforward statement of fact. Please point
out where the "berating" bit comes in, or retract.

As someone with an Austrian mother, I find the notion of 'refusing to
lose' an accent to be a rather curious proposition.
Actually no - preposterous more like.

I found it extremely offensive. As if someone should be *expected* to lose
a native accent, simply because they live in another country.
I have French and Italian relatives, German and Scottish friends, who have
lived here for many years and who could be said to "refuse to lose" their
accents - in fact, why should they?
And in the case of one, she has lived in UK for about 53 years, one for 20,
another for about 40. Perhaps they should all be 'elocuted?
The rest of the description of an old, old man who was devoted to his craft
and gave so much to it and to others was just beyond awful, IMO.
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Sacha
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In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
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Is there an effective treatment for the veroa (Sp?) mite yet?


There was, but resistant mites have appeared in the south-west. Thymol
seems to be the only answer at the moment, though good husbandry helps.


John
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John Rouse

In article , Sacha
writes
I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick, accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"

There are many beekeepers who think the work of Bro Adam diluted the
native bee strains, and may have introduced unwanted traits into the
gene pool. Luckily there are a few clusters of native bees in the more
remote areas, and these are now being bred and distributed.

I'm sure his intentions were good, but the end result wasn't.

John
--
John Rouse

In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes

Is there an effective treatment for the veroa (Sp?) mite yet?


There was, but resistant mites have appeared in the south-west. Thymol
seems to be the only answer at the moment, though good husbandry helps.


John
--
John Rouse

In article , Sacha
writes
I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick, accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"

There are many beekeepers who think the work of Bro Adam diluted the
native bee strains, and may have introduced unwanted traits into the
gene pool. Luckily there are a few clusters of native bees in the more
remote areas, and these are now being bred and distributed.

I'm sure his intentions were good, but the end result wasn't.

John
--
John Rouse

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:27:51 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:21:51 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
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For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

I refer the honorrible gentleman to my earlier statement.

I refer the honorrible post person to my earlier statement.

How about taking your own advice then? Or would consistency be too much
to expect?

From you? Far too much to expect.
--
Martin

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from John Rouse contains these words:
In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes

Is there an effective treatment for the veroa (Sp?) mite yet?


There was, but resistant mites have appeared in the south-west. Thymol
seems to be the only answer at the moment, though good husbandry helps.

Isn't that always the way? Still, medicine has been given a shot in the
arm with the recent discovery of RNA interference, and that might well
hit the pests before it is licensed for human use.

--
Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)

The message
from John Rouse contains these words:
In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes

Is there an effective treatment for the veroa (Sp?) mite yet?


There was, but resistant mites have appeared in the south-west. Thymol
seems to be the only answer at the moment, though good husbandry helps.

Isn't that always the way? Still, medicine has been given a shot in the
arm with the recent discovery of RNA interference, and that might well
hit the pests before it is licensed for human use.

--
Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)

John Rouse6/12/03 5:18

In article , Sacha
writes
I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick, accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"

There are many beekeepers who think the work of Bro Adam diluted the
native bee strains, and may have introduced unwanted traits into the
gene pool. Luckily there are a few clusters of native bees in the more
remote areas, and these are now being bred and distributed.

I'm sure his intentions were good, but the end result wasn't.

John

In all arts and sciences, there will be good and bad experiments and results
which cannot be predicted. Bee keeping falls into that category, I think.
When bumble bees were introduced into the glasshouses of Jersey years ago,
we were *assured* that the then varroa free island would not be affected.
Well.......I won't bore you with the details! Safe to say, the discussion is
still rumbling on.
The use of Apistan then became mandatory in the island but at least one bee
keeper I know of, refused to use it on the grounds that he wished to remain
organic. As a consequence but not of course, just down to him - varroa
spread throughout the island's colonies.
While it would have been acceptable to criticise Bro. Adam on the grounds
you have used and so very politely, I do NOT think it can ever be acceptable
to criticise someone citing their continued 'use' of their native accent, or
their age ('withered old stick') I do not recall that Mary actually
discussed Bro. Adam's methods in your terms; her attack on him centred on
the man, not the beekeeper with a short 'good' word thrown in as an apparent
afterthought.
I kept one colony of bees for over 20 years and it was a nucleus that came
from my father in law who had them for at least that long again. I met many
people who talked of Brother Adam but I never met anyone who talked of Mary
Fisher, let alone as she did, of that 'withered old stick' who had retained
his native accent. Had they done so, I would have been as quick to
castigate them for spite towards her, as I have been to kill file her ego.
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Sacha
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Jaques d'Alltrades6/12/03 11:15

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from John Rouse contains these words:
In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes

Is there an effective treatment for the veroa (Sp?) mite yet?


There was, but resistant mites have appeared in the south-west. Thymol
seems to be the only answer at the moment, though good husbandry helps.

Isn't that always the way? Still, medicine has been given a shot in the
arm with the recent discovery of RNA interference, and that might well
hit the pests before it is licensed for human use.


I'm going back a lonnnnnnnng time and I haven't kept up, so forgive me.
Wasn't there some talk/experiment/hope etc. of breeding a rather more
ferocious strain of varroa resistant bees with our native bees to produce
the best of both worlds? Did that come to anything?
--

Sacha
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In article , Sacha
writes

I'm going back a lonnnnnnnng time and I haven't kept up, so forgive me.
Wasn't there some talk/experiment/hope etc. of breeding a rather more
ferocious strain of varroa resistant bees with our native bees to produce
the best of both worlds? Did that come to anything?

I think the best hope at the moment is a fungus that attacks the varroa
mite. I think the Africanised American Bees and the Brother Adam
experiments rather put people off importing foreign strains.

John
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John Rouse

John Rouse7/12/03 4:52

In article , Sacha
writes

I'm going back a lonnnnnnnng time and I haven't kept up, so forgive me.
Wasn't there some talk/experiment/hope etc. of breeding a rather more
ferocious strain of varroa resistant bees with our native bees to produce
the best of both worlds? Did that come to anything?

I think the best hope at the moment is a fungus that attacks the varroa
mite. I think the Africanised American Bees and the Brother Adam
experiments rather put people off importing foreign strains.

John

IIRC, the experiments were American? A fungus?!
I do remember being in an email discussion with some American bee keepers
who move their hives around all over the place - hundreds of miles, in some
cases. Some were adamant that they would not use e.g. Apistan but equally,
seemed unconcerned, or unconvinced, that they were transmitting disease
while going about their work.
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Sacha
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