On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:23:07 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Sacha" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher5/12/03 8:43


Did Brother Adam write about bee-keeping - pressed or un-pressed?
;-)

He wrote books about beekeeping. I never rated them as bee management
treatises althoug Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey was interesting as part
of
the story of the Abbey. What's more he was a very difficult author for
his
publishers.
snip

I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick,
accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"
Mary, you define the word 'ego'. Let me just say that I have heard many
bee
keepers speak with respect of Brother Adam. I've never heard one
mention
you. Why, I wonder, would that be.

Your letter is a marvel of what can be done with selective snipping.

My apologies for inadvertent double posting

For some reason I didn't see either attempts.
--
Martin

Mary Fisher6/12/03 9:54






"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Mary Fisher5/12/03 8:43


Did Brother Adam write about bee-keeping - pressed or un-pressed? ;-)

He wrote books about beekeeping. I never rated them as bee management
treatises althoug Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey was interesting as part
of
the story of the Abbey. What's more he was a very difficult author for
his
publishers.
snip

I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick, accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"

No, it wasn't a nasty post at all. It was honest and there aren't many
people aho are prepared to be honest. I originally typed some things which
had been said by other notable people in the bee world but that would have
been hearsay so I stuck to my own experiences. I don't believe that the
hobby and industry don't owe a lot to him except in publicity terms - and
those agents who sold 'Buckfast' queens.

Also, you snipped the good things I said about him!

Mary, you define the word 'ego'. Let me just say that I have heard many
bee
keepers speak with respect of Brother Adam. I've never heard one mention
you. Why, I wonder, would that be.

Several reasons. Among them are that you don't move in the right circles
(except that there are two who you knew who knew me.

Well, again that is rather strange. I've never heard either of them mention
you and originally in fact, you claimed never to have heard of one of them!

I don't have the same
charisma as Bro Adam did - and still has. I don't need to make money for my
abbey. There are more.

Mary


I would say that with his decades of experience, Brother Adam was one of the
most knowledgeable and reliable of beekeepers in this country. One the one
hand you put it down to his 'charisma' and on the other you appeared to
remark on a lack of it.
I think it unkind and peculiar that you berate him for retaining his native
accent. Why shouldn't he? Most people do. 'A withered old stick' isn't
unkind? I'd call it excessively rude and very spiteful.
I'm afraid I stick with my opinion that it was a nasty post - it gives me
the impression that in your eyes, nobody but you is able to talk about bee
keeping with any authority at all but you've been at it for what - a mere 25
years?
I think a kill file is now in order so that I can avoid any more of your
unkind and self-aggrandising posts.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:178093


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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:23:07 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Mary Fisher5/12/03 8:43




Did Brother Adam write about bee-keeping - pressed or un-pressed?
;-)

He wrote books about beekeeping. I never rated them as bee
management
treatises althoug Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey was interesting as
part
of
the story of the Abbey. What's more he was a very difficult author
for
his
publishers.
snip

I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom
an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick,
accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"
Mary, you define the word 'ego'. Let me just say that I have heard
many
bee
keepers speak with respect of Brother Adam. I've never heard one
mention
you. Why, I wonder, would that be.

Your letter is a marvel of what can be done with selective snipping.

My apologies for inadvertent double posting

For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

You did not miss much. I have been known to do better.

Franz

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
...





"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Mary Fisher5/12/03 8:43


Did Brother Adam write about bee-keeping - pressed or un-pressed?
;-)

He wrote books about beekeeping. I never rated them as bee management
treatises althoug Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey was interesting as part
of
the story of the Abbey. What's more he was a very difficult author for
his
publishers.
snip

I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick,
accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"

No, it wasn't a nasty post at all.
It was honest

I agree entirely. It was indeed a very well balanced expression of your
opinion of the status of Brother Adam.

and there aren't many
people aho are prepared to be honest. I originally typed some things which
had been said by other notable people in the bee world but that would have
been hearsay so I stuck to my own experiences. I don't believe that the
hobby and industry don't owe a lot to him except in publicity terms - and
those agents who sold 'Buckfast' queens.

Also, you snipped the good things I said about him!

Mary, you define the word 'ego'. Let me just say that I have heard many
bee
keepers speak with respect of Brother Adam. I've never heard one
mention
you. Why, I wonder, would that be.

Several reasons. Among them are that you don't move in the right circles
(except that there are two who you knew who knew me. I don't have the same
charisma as Bro Adam did - and still has. I don't need to make money for
my
abbey. There are more.

An excellent response to a totally uncalled for attack.

Franz

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:29:53 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

selective/total snip

Your letter is a marvel of what can be done with selective snipping.

My apologies for inadvertent double posting

For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

You did not miss much. I have been known to do better.

They have both arrived now.

You must try harder :-)
--
Martin

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Mary Fisher6/12/03 9:54






"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Mary Fisher5/12/03 8:43


Did Brother Adam write about bee-keeping - pressed or un-pressed?
;-)

He wrote books about beekeeping. I never rated them as bee management
treatises althoug Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey was interesting as part
of
the story of the Abbey. What's more he was a very difficult author for
his
publishers.
snip

I think that I have seldom read a nastier post about someone to whom an
entire hobby and industry owed so much. "Old, withered old stick,
accented
speech, hardly audible, set in his ways"

No, it wasn't a nasty post at all. It was honest and there aren't many
people aho are prepared to be honest. I originally typed some things
which
had been said by other notable people in the bee world but that would
have
been hearsay so I stuck to my own experiences. I don't believe that the
hobby and industry don't owe a lot to him except in publicity terms -
and
those agents who sold 'Buckfast' queens.

Also, you snipped the good things I said about him!

Mary, you define the word 'ego'. Let me just say that I have heard
many
bee
keepers speak with respect of Brother Adam. I've never heard one
mention
you. Why, I wonder, would that be.

Several reasons. Among them are that you don't move in the right circles
(except that there are two who you knew who knew me.

Well, again that is rather strange. I've never heard either of them
mention
you and originally in fact, you claimed never to have heard of one of
them!

I don't have the same
charisma as Bro Adam did - and still has. I don't need to make money for
my
abbey. There are more.

Mary


I would say that with his decades of experience, Brother Adam was one of
the
most knowledgeable and reliable of beekeepers in this country. One the
one
hand you put it down to his 'charisma' and on the other you appeared to
remark on a lack of it.
I think it unkind and peculiar that you berate him for retaining his
native
accent

That is an outright lie. Mary said
" He refused to lose his German accent, even though he'd been here for about
seventy years"
That seems to me to be a straightforward statement of fact. Please point
out where the "berating" bit comes in, or retract.

Why shouldn't he? Most people do. 'A withered old stick' isn't
unkind? I'd call it excessively rude and very spiteful.

I'm afraid I stick with my opinion that it was a nasty post - it gives me
the impression that in your eyes, nobody but you is able to talk about bee
keeping with any authority at all but you've been at it for what - a mere
25
years?
I think a kill file is now in order so that I can avoid any more of your
unkind and self-aggrandising posts.

Sacha, your sequence of posts on this topic has been a disgrace.

Franz

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My apologies for inadvertent double posting

And none for posting that beneath a landslide of redundant text?

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For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

I refer the honorrible gentleman to my earlier statement.

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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:21:00 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
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My apologies for inadvertent double posting

And none for posting that beneath a landslide of redundant text?

Your post didn't add anything useful.
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:21:51 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
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For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

I refer the honorrible gentleman to my earlier statement.

I refer the honorrible post person to my earlier statement.

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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:42:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:



That is an outright lie. Mary said
" He refused to lose his German accent, even though he'd been here for about
seventy years"
That seems to me to be a straightforward statement of fact. Please point
out where the "berating" bit comes in, or retract.

As someone with an Austrian mother, I find the notion of 'refusing to
lose' an accent to be a rather curious proposition.
Actually no - preposterous more like.

I must ring her tonight and DEMAND to know why she doesn't sound like
Valerie Singleton.
Rest assured, good English speaking people - I shall not be swayed by
the fact she has only lived here for a mere 50 years.

I shall purchase for her a Brian Perkins' Guide to Enunciation - you
may remember him from such programmes as 'Whither Diphthong' and 'When
brogues attack!'.
Failing that, I'll get Donald Sinden round to duff her over...


Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

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My apologies for inadvertent double posting

And none for posting that beneath a landslide of redundant text?

Your post didn't add anything useful.

It did if you take some notice and snip responsibly.

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For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

I refer the honorrible gentleman to my earlier statement.

I refer the honorrible post person to my earlier statement.

How about taking your own advice then? Or would consistency be too much
to expect?

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My apologies for inadvertent double posting

And none for posting that beneath a landslide of redundant text?

Your post didn't add anything useful.

It did if you take some notice and snip responsibly.

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Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:21:51 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
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from martin contains these words:

For some reason I didn't see either attempts.

I refer the honorrible gentleman to my earlier statement.

I refer the honorrible post person to my earlier statement.

How about taking your own advice then? Or would consistency be too much
to expect?

--
Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)