On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:05:02 GMT, older molly
wrote:


But you don't understand. Today's children are not tough and hardy as
we were. They are delicate things to be mollycoddled, and pampered, not
allowed to climb trees or play near dangerous holly, or collect nasty
dangerous conkers or walk to school in all weathers like we did.Poor
little sods, they are missing a lot of fun.

Don't fool yourself

"Two men and a 12-year-old boy made a 999 call from a mobile phone
when they found themselves in dangerous conditions in severe gale
force nine winds a quarter of a mile off Whitby's pier ends."

and
"A SCARBOROUGH school was a "scene of devastation" after
vandals smashed windows in eight classrooms and set fire to a storage
shed.
About 100 pupils had to be sent home from Hinderwell yesterday and it
took a team of cleaners and teachers most of the day to clear up the
shards of glass scattered in classrooms and hall.
It is the latest in a string of attacks at the school and headteacher
Philip Snowdon said it was one of the most devastating.
Today Mr Snowdon said that security camera footage from CCTV cameras
had identified two Hinderwell School pupils and two older boys as the
culprits."

(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:

From: Henriette Kress
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening,uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Hedging
. . .
Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi

So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
address.

Right. And you wrote:

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.

I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
a day.

Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
cake, on googlegroups.

Henriette

--
Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland
Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed

(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:

From: Henriette Kress
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening,uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Hedging
. . .
Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi

So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
address.

Right. And you wrote:

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.

I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
a day.

Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
cake, on googlegroups.

Henriette

--
Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland
Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed

In article ,
martin wrote:

"Two men and a 12-year-old boy made a 999 call from a mobile phone
when they found themselves in dangerous conditions in severe gale
force nine winds a quarter of a mile off Whitby's pier ends."

I am trying to imagine what circumstances would create safe conditions
in force nine winds a quarter of a mile off Whitby's pier ends.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:

From: Henriette Kress
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening,uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Hedging
. . .
Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi

So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
address.

Right. And you wrote:

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.

I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
a day.

Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
cake, on googlegroups.

Henriette

--
Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland
Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed

In article ,
Henriette Kress writes:
| (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
|
| And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:
|
| Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
| NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi
|
| So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
| have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
| address.
|
| Right. ...

Well, what about doing it, then?

| So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
| Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.
|
| I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

As I said, I didn't. I used one of the most widespread newsreaders
around, with all default options. It may be perverse, but it wasn't
being so in this case - it is YOUR news poster that is.

Do you know the 'standard' formats of Email addresses? Let me
explain. They typically take one of the following forms, with
variations and probably cases I have forgotten:

user@domain
Ignored commentary user@domain
user@domain (Ignored commentary)

Let's ignore the spaces around the '@', as they are more-or-less
irrelevant here. What trn did was to take the Email address that
YOU had supplied and YOU had asked to be used for replies, remove
the ignored commentary (often used for people's names) and use
that. Not just according to specification, but perfectly reasonable
in all senses.

If you don't want to expose your Email address, DON'T PUT IT IN
THE REPLY-TO FIELD. Doing so is a common error in quite a lot of
mail and news software - and the error is at YOUR end.

| And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
| you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
| sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
| a day.

Please don't blame other people for configuration errors in your
news posting software.

| Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
| many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
| his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
| more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
| cake, on googlegroups.

Both are trivial, and both are widespread.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Henriette Kress writes:
| (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
|
| And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:
|
| Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
| NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi
|
| So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
| have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
| address.
|
| Right. ...

Well, what about doing it, then?

| So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
| Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.
|
| I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

As I said, I didn't. I used one of the most widespread newsreaders
around, with all default options. It may be perverse, but it wasn't
being so in this case - it is YOUR news poster that is.

Do you know the 'standard' formats of Email addresses? Let me
explain. They typically take one of the following forms, with
variations and probably cases I have forgotten:

user@domain
Ignored commentary user@domain
user@domain (Ignored commentary)

Let's ignore the spaces around the '@', as they are more-or-less
irrelevant here. What trn did was to take the Email address that
YOU had supplied and YOU had asked to be used for replies, remove
the ignored commentary (often used for people's names) and use
that. Not just according to specification, but perfectly reasonable
in all senses.

If you don't want to expose your Email address, DON'T PUT IT IN
THE REPLY-TO FIELD. Doing so is a common error in quite a lot of
mail and news software - and the error is at YOUR end.

| And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
| you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
| sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
| a day.

Please don't blame other people for configuration errors in your
news posting software.

| Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
| many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
| his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
| more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
| cake, on googlegroups.

Both are trivial, and both are widespread.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:

From: Henriette Kress
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening,uk.rec.sheds
Subject: Hedging
. . .
Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi

So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
address.

Right. And you wrote:

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.

I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
a day.

Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
cake, on googlegroups.

Henriette

--
Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland
Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed

In article ,
Henriette Kress writes:
| (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
|
| And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:
|
| Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
| NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi
|
| So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
| have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
| address.
|
| Right. ...

Well, what about doing it, then?

| So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
| Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.
|
| I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

As I said, I didn't. I used one of the most widespread newsreaders
around, with all default options. It may be perverse, but it wasn't
being so in this case - it is YOUR news poster that is.

Do you know the 'standard' formats of Email addresses? Let me
explain. They typically take one of the following forms, with
variations and probably cases I have forgotten:

user@domain
Ignored commentary user@domain
user@domain (Ignored commentary)

Let's ignore the spaces around the '@', as they are more-or-less
irrelevant here. What trn did was to take the Email address that
YOU had supplied and YOU had asked to be used for replies, remove
the ignored commentary (often used for people's names) and use
that. Not just according to specification, but perfectly reasonable
in all senses.

If you don't want to expose your Email address, DON'T PUT IT IN
THE REPLY-TO FIELD. Doing so is a common error in quite a lot of
mail and news software - and the error is at YOUR end.

| And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
| you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
| sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
| a day.

Please don't blame other people for configuration errors in your
news posting software.

| Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
| many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
| his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
| more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
| cake, on googlegroups.

Both are trivial, and both are widespread.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Henriette Kress writes:
| (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
|
| And here is the selected output when using the verbose option:
|
| Reply-To: hetta @ spamcop.net (no blanks)
| NNTP-Posting-Host: ua120d39.elisa.omakaista.fi
|
| So, if you want to play the trick of hiding your address, you will
| have to ensure that the Reply-To field is ALSO set to your mangled
| address.
|
| Right. ...

Well, what about doing it, then?

| So you pick the name from the From: field and the address from the
| Reply-to: field, format the lot, and use that in your attribution line.
|
| I still fail to see why you'd _bother_.

As I said, I didn't. I used one of the most widespread newsreaders
around, with all default options. It may be perverse, but it wasn't
being so in this case - it is YOUR news poster that is.

Do you know the 'standard' formats of Email addresses? Let me
explain. They typically take one of the following forms, with
variations and probably cases I have forgotten:

user@domain
Ignored commentary user@domain
user@domain (Ignored commentary)

Let's ignore the spaces around the '@', as they are more-or-less
irrelevant here. What trn did was to take the Email address that
YOU had supplied and YOU had asked to be used for replies, remove
the ignored commentary (often used for people's names) and use
that. Not just according to specification, but perfectly reasonable
in all senses.

If you don't want to expose your Email address, DON'T PUT IT IN
THE REPLY-TO FIELD. Doing so is a common error in quite a lot of
mail and news software - and the error is at YOUR end.

| And if you do that for people without even the spaces in their reply-to,
| you've just landed them loads more spam than they'd get otherwise. I'm
| sure they're all happy to get another dozen viagra, cialis, etc. emails
| a day.

Please don't blame other people for configuration errors in your
news posting software.

| Yes, I know that a few bots scan the headers, too, but they're not that
| many, and they're pretty stupid, as seen from the fact that a pal with
| his own domain got spam to a message-id "email" address. There's a lot
| more bots out there scanning message bodies, 'cos that's a piece of
| cake, on googlegroups.

Both are trivial, and both are widespread.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

The message
from older molly contains these words:
Nick Maclaren wrote:

Holly is actually LESS likely to take eyes out than apparently 'safer'
plants. The reason is that it is the dead or sharp twigs that are
the danger and not prickles. Children should be encouraged to fall
into nettlebeds and holly hedges, regularly, to teach them that not
everything is cuddly. Don't let them learn on pyracantha or many
berberis, or they might well lose an eye.

Chillis are also good for teaching children not to eat unidentified
berries. Every garden should have a pot of those nice, brightly
coloured things to attract determinedly disobedient toddlers into
a safe and effective learning experience :-)

But you don't understand. Today's children are not tough and hardy as
we were. They are delicate things to be mollycoddled, and pampered, not
allowed to climb trees or play near dangerous holly, or collect nasty
dangerous conkers or walk to school in all weathers like we did.Poor
little sods, they are missing a lot of fun.

Crossposted to The Shed as Gooeybait......

........though I know what you mean.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Henriette Kress contains these words:

I've had lots of fun eating ripe apples while they were still hanging
on to their trees ... not that I'd do that these days, nope, not me.
That? Nah, that must've been somebody else.

Trying to make it look like a really large wasp was responsible?

--
"Bother", said Skipweasel as he molished a little jig.

The message
from Henriette Kress contains these words:
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Nick: I was happy to see an old acquaintance but am no longer, because
of the way you quote.

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

You do realize that spammers pick those ^ up? You also realize there's a
REASON people spamtrap their addresses, namely that they're sick and
tired of spam?

But spambots won't pick that up because of the spaces in it.

Most (if not all) short headers in replies quote the sender's address as
it appears in the 'From:' field. Post from a spamtrapped address, and
that's what shows in the short header.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Henriette Kress contains these words:
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Nick: I was happy to see an old acquaintance but am no longer, because
of the way you quote.

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

You do realize that spammers pick those ^ up? You also realize there's a
REASON people spamtrap their addresses, namely that they're sick and
tired of spam?

But spambots won't pick that up because of the spaces in it.

Most (if not all) short headers in replies quote the sender's address as
it appears in the 'From:' field. Post from a spamtrapped address, and
that's what shows in the short header.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Henriette Kress contains these words:
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Nick: I was happy to see an old acquaintance but am no longer, because
of the way you quote.

In article ,
Henriette Kress hetta @ spamcop.net wrote:

You do realize that spammers pick those ^ up? You also realize there's a
REASON people spamtrap their addresses, namely that they're sick and
tired of spam?

But spambots won't pick that up because of the spaces in it.

Most (if not all) short headers in replies quote the sender's address as
it appears in the 'From:' field. Post from a spamtrapped address, and
that's what shows in the short header.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/