Hi,

You seemed to have hit the nail over the head. Plants are living.

Rajinder

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
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Not so Paul Atreides.

For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach . . .


The Mimosa plant quickly folds up its leaves because of a rapid drop
in
water pressure akin to wilting. No nervous system is needed at all.

Venus flytrap?


You really should read up on your basic botany instead making wild
flights
of fantasy. The truth is far more interesting.

An old teacher of mine once pointed out that there can never be such a
thing
as "extra-sensory perception", because perception by its very nature
requires sensation.

Arguments for the behaviour of plants being biology-based can be used
equally for people too - a scientific approach will boil our every
action,
emotion and decision down to electrochemical processes in our brain,
just as
the analysis of a car engine will reveal all the different moving
parts and
how they fit together. But if you look for the _velocity_ in the
engine, you
won't find it, just as if you look for the _soul_ in a person's body
you
won't find it. Similarly, if you look for the _growth_ in a plant, you
won't
find it . . .

Andy
"A ten-year-old child could understand this. Go out and find me a
ten-year-old child" - Marx

Hi,

If you compare plants with our physical body, then you would see how
grafting works. Plants guide us in medicine and surgery. As not every
plant would take any graft but a family of particular ones, so we are
observing replacing organs in human beings.

Rajinder


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
The topic has been studies in detail many times over the years, even
by
Charles Darwin, and there is no doubt that the various responses to
stimuli
by plants have nothing at all to do with any type of intelligence. The
topic
is the subject of many books and all anyone need to do is read them.
If one
had been awake during any basic botany class they would know the truth
about
plant physiology.

That some New Age clowns are too lazy to actually do any real research
into
the subject show just how ignorant and stupid they really are and that
they
should not be given any serious consideration at all. They have been
watching too much bad sci-fi on TV. They are clueless about the
scientific
method and how to apply it to even the most basic problems.

In any case, the extent of their ineptitude has noting to do with
gardening.


"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
news:2O6hc.20874$4N3.2404@newsfe1-win...

Not so Paul Atreides.

For he IS the Kwisatz Haderach . . .


The Mimosa plant quickly folds up its leaves because of a rapid
drop in
water pressure akin to wilting. No nervous system is needed at
all.

Venus flytrap?


You really should read up on your basic botany instead making wild
flights
of fantasy. The truth is far more interesting.

An old teacher of mine once pointed out that there can never be such
a
thing
as "extra-sensory perception", because perception by its very nature
requires sensation.

Arguments for the behaviour of plants being biology-based can be
used
equally for people too - a scientific approach will boil our every
action,
emotion and decision down to electrochemical processes in our brain,
just
as
the analysis of a car engine will reveal all the different moving
parts
and
how they fit together. But if you look for the _velocity_ in the
engine,
you
won't find it, just as if you look for the _soul_ in a person's body
you
won't find it. Similarly, if you look for the _growth_ in a plant,
you
won't
find it . . .

Andy
"A ten-year-old child could understand this. Go out and find me a
ten-year-old child" - Marx

Hi Andy,

Do you want to know the interpretation of the Parable of wheat and
Tares? Go and read my articles.

Israel is bundling up of those Tares and they are killing and burning
each other as in the rest of the world the religious fanatics are doing
the same.

--
Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar, M.Sc.

Why should I fast, what "sin" have I committed?
and
Why should I pray, what "wrong" have I done?

Fasting and the prayer is for the "Once-born" people
whilst the "Twice-born" know that the matters of their
hearts are known to God. The "Twice-born" rather:-

"Renew their "innerman", the christ, every day".

HOLY SPIRIT SHATTERS THE FETTERS OF THE LETTERS

SCRIPTURE + HOLY SPIRIT (COMMON SENSE) = GOSPEL

A person is a Virgin when he is led by his "innerman", the christ.

http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/gnostic.htm
http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/sikhism.htm
http://www.nijjhar.freeserve.co.uk/onegod.htm
"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
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That some New Age clowns

Who are these people of whom you speak? The old teacher of mine to
whom I
was referring was a man called Stafford Beer. If you do a 'google'
search,
you'll soon discover that your label is somewhat wide of the mark.

are too lazy to actually do any real research into
the subject show just how ignorant and stupid they really are and
that
they
should not be given any serious consideration at all. They have been
watching too much bad sci-fi on TV. They are clueless about the
scientific
method and how to apply it to even the most basic problems.

I am very well aware of the theory of geotropism etc, although you
somewhat
dangerously assume that I am not. I got my 'A' at 'O' level biology,
and do
still recall the subject matter. I believe wholeheartedly in science
as a
tool of consciousness, but at the same time I'm very much aware that
the
reductionist nature of science can lead us into a 'false sense of
obscurity'. A plant is an autopoietic viable system which has the
requisite
variety to comprehend and adapt to its environment in the same way
that a
human being has. Both systems necessarily have ways of perceiving that
environment, and ways of reacting to that environment. The biological
details may differ, but the purpose is the same.

I was merely pointing out that biology isn't necessarily the whole
story.
Then again, I do believe in a "Creator", so I possibly _do_ belong to
the
lunatic "New Age" fringe of which you are so fond.


In any case, the extent of their ineptitude has noting to do with
gardening.

Ever read the parable of the tares . . . ? Or of the vineyard? There
are
some pretty decent gardening tips in the NT if you ask me! Roll on the
great
harvest . . .

Andy

In message wt0mc.162$3s2.76@newsfe6-win, Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
writes
Read the Bible to understand the present. Read the Parable of wheat
and Tares. tares are bundled up in Israel for Final Burning. When, I
don't know.

Personally I like Deuteronomy 23 v12-13

--
dave @ stejonda

On Wed, 5 May 2004 09:00:01 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message wt0mc.162$3s2.76@newsfe6-win, Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
writes
Read the Bible to understand the present. Read the Parable of wheat
and Tares. tares are bundled up in Israel for Final Burning. When, I
don't know.

Personally I like Deuteronomy 23 v12-13

You are Dot Cotton and I claim the reward.

Deuteronomy 23:24 23:25

The message eZ0mc.172$3s2.79@newsfe6-win
from "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt"
contains these words:

HOLY SPIRIT (snip offtopic rant)

This is a gardening newsgroup, kindly stop abusing it.

Janet.

Xref: kermit uk.rec.gardening:202209

In message , Janet
Baraclough.. writes
The message eZ0mc.172$3s2.79@newsfe6-win
from "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt"
contains these words:

HOLY SPIRIT (snip offtopic rant)

This is a gardening newsgroup, kindly stop abusing it.

....and there I was thinking I'd contributed to a composting thread

--
dave @ stejonda

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message eZ0mc.172$3s2.79@newsfe6-win
from "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt"
contains these words:

HOLY SPIRIT (snip offtopic rant)


Funny, but I must have missed that bit.
That said, plants don't suffer from religion, so maybe they're smarter then
we give them credit for.

Slightly OT, I have been wondering about mankinds path from hunter gatherer
to grower/farmers.
Like, how long a period of time did that take?
What proccess was involved?
E.g., go into a GC and faced with a choice of seeds the non-gardener is
entirely dependant on the planting intructions on the back of the pack.
Back in the ancestrol days, plants, persumably, did not grow with
instructions attached. So what happened?
What did *we* do?
How did we make the leap from observing seed to growing new plant?
How much trial and error was involved and how long did all that take?
Did we simply try to copy nature by taking seed and replanting it elsewhere
in line with the seeding season?

Why OT you may ask. Well, because I sometimes think of the problems in the
middle east and wonder how long before we know how to grow peace... and I'm
not talking about a plant variety.
I notice an element of seanonality. Peace seeds get sown march-april but
seemingly wither away unproductively by mid august.
The season seems right, but the grounds have constantly proven unsuitable.
Perhaps its a typical gardeners perception to equate solutions via gardening
methods. It may well be a mistake. Afterall, perhaps the reason it took so
long to invent the wheel might have being because its use does not have a
fixed seaon.

This is a gardening newsgroup, kindly stop abusing it.

I hope I haven't strayed too far .

Patrick

Janet.

martin wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2004 09:00:01 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message wt0mc.162$3s2.76@newsfe6-win, Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
writes
Read the Bible to understand the present. Read the Parable of wheat
and Tares. tares are bundled up in Israel for Final Burning. When, I
don't know.

Personally I like Deuteronomy 23 v12-13

You are Dot Cotton and I claim the reward.

Deuteronomy 23:24 23:25

Damn - you've gone and made dig out my bible, which as a weighty, 1864
Victorian family edition, took a lot of effort.

I think Ecclesiastes 10 v 8 is appropriate to Bush and the USA.

Personally, I like Revelations - whatever St John was on, he'd make a
fortune selling it today. I would suggest Revelations 18 v11-19 should
also be considered by George and his friends.
--
Larry Stoter

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In message , Janet
Baraclough.. writes
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from "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt"
contains these words:

HOLY SPIRIT (snip offtopic rant)

This is a gardening newsgroup, kindly stop abusing it.

...and there I was thinking I'd contributed to a composting thread

Well, part of it has been assigned to the compost heap, so in a way
you're right.

Janet.

On Wed, 5 May 2004 22:27:58 +0100, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:

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from "dave @ stejonda" contains these
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In message , Janet
Baraclough.. writes
The message eZ0mc.172$3s2.79@newsfe6-win
from "Ch. Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt"
contains these words:

HOLY SPIRIT (snip offtopic rant)

This is a gardening newsgroup, kindly stop abusing it.

...and there I was thinking I'd contributed to a composting thread

Well, part of it has been assigned to the compost heap, so in a way
you're right.

as an accelerator.

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from (Larry Stoter) contains these words:


- whatever St John was on, he'd make a
fortune selling it today.

Nah, Brussels wouldn't let him. He was on St John's wort, which is not
an approved drug.

Janet.

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wrote:

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from (Larry Stoter) contains these words:


- whatever St John was on, he'd make a
fortune selling it today.

Nah, Brussels wouldn't let him. He was on St John's wort, which is not
an approved drug.

Janet.


How depressing!!

(;-)

Geoff

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message k
from (Larry Stoter) contains these words:


- whatever St John was on, he'd make a
fortune selling it today.

Nah, Brussels wouldn't let him. He was on St John's wort, which is not
an approved drug.

Janet.

I'm certain it isn't approved and probably not legal either:-))
Mushrooms of some sort, I presume - dried Fly Agaric, perhaps?
--
Larry Stoter

On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:28:13 +0100, (Larry
Stoter) wrote:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message k
from (Larry Stoter) contains these words:


- whatever St John was on, he'd make a
fortune selling it today.

Nah, Brussels wouldn't let him. He was on St John's wort, which is not
an approved drug.

Janet.

I'm certain it isn't approved and probably not legal either:-))
Mushrooms of some sort, I presume - dried Fly Agaric, perhaps?
--
Larry Stoter

No, derived from Hypericum perforatum. a perennial, and related
Hypericum species that grow to around 2ft + (with yellow flowers).
Some are fairly common in the UK.

Geoff