On Thu, 06 May 2004 10:56:33 +0100, Derek Turner
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 11:34:58 +0200, martin wrote:


X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409

there's one born every minute!

Are implying that Agent users don't get spam?

no, but Agent does allow different 'from' and 'reply-to' settings (not
sure that OE does

It does as somebody else has already said.

OE is much easier for a non specialist PC user to learn. I use Agent
my wife uses OE. It's not a matter of intelligence, but learning and
inclination, my wife has a PhD in physics, I haven't.
My wife has never used her e-mail address to post to a newsgroup and
still gets spam. My daughter, who has never used her wanadoo e-mail
account at all even for mail, gets about 20 spam messages sent to her
account a day.

) what one does with that to avoid spam is another
matter. OE defaults to advertising the real e-mail address to all and
sundry, Agent does not.

despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
for news.


get yourself a decent newsreader client for a start

her news reader is not the source of her problem.

the way it 'defaults' to posting the real e-mail address (needed for
the e-mail bit) in its newsreader functions is a contributory factor
here, wouldn't you say?

no, it's the fact that the user didn't know how to insert something
different, if it hadn't defaulted to her real e-mail address she
wouldn't have been able to use mail and news at all.
Judging from posts to the forte news group there are also Agent
users, who don't know how to insert a false e-mail address for news
groups.

On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:21:26 +0200, martin wrote:


despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
for news.

Hand up! I do, however it is a separate email address that is used
only for usenet.

Just clean out the bin once in a while and hey presto!


--
"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

On Thu, 6 May 2004 10:36:32 +0000 (UTC), Gwenhyffar Milgi
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:21:26 +0200, martin wrote:


despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
for news.

Hand up! I do, however it is a separate email address that is used
only for usenet.

Me too until about a year ago, I learnt my lesson with the Sven virus


Just clean out the bin once in a while and hey presto!

:-)

"Matt Barton" schreef in bericht
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"Derek Turner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 11:34:58 +0200, martin wrote:

the way it 'defaults' to posting the real e-mail address (needed for
the e-mail bit) in its newsreader functions is a contributory factor
here, wouldn't you say?

There is no such behaviour. The email and news accounts are separate and
distinct and each have their own settings.

They have their own settings, but BOTH default to the real e-mail address.

Apart from that you make a good point: it *is* shit.

On Thu, 06 May 2004 13:04:14 +0200, martin wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2004 10:36:32 +0000 (UTC), Gwenhyffar Milgi
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:21:26 +0200, martin wrote:


despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
for news.

Hand up! I do, however it is a separate email address that is used
only for usenet.

Me too until about a year ago, I learnt my lesson with the Sven virus

Ah, but I don't download the mail from this one directly.


--
"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

On Thu, 6 May 2004 11:23:22 +0000 (UTC), Gwenhyffar Milgi
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 13:04:14 +0200, martin wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2004 10:36:32 +0000 (UTC), Gwenhyffar Milgi
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:21:26 +0200, martin wrote:


despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
for news.

Hand up! I do, however it is a separate email address that is used
only for usenet.

Me too until about a year ago, I learnt my lesson with the Sven virus

Ah, but I don't download the mail from this one directly.

The Sven virus has very large files attached to each message, I had a
holiday and returned to find my mailbox on the ISPs server had
overflowed and real mail had been bounced.

On Thu, 06 May 2004 13:52:23 +0200, martin wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2004 11:23:22 +0000 (UTC), Gwenhyffar Milgi
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 13:04:14 +0200, martin wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2004 10:36:32 +0000 (UTC), Gwenhyffar Milgi
wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:21:26 +0200, martin wrote:


despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
for news.

Hand up! I do, however it is a separate email address that is used
only for usenet.

Me too until about a year ago, I learnt my lesson with the Sven virus

Ah, but I don't download the mail from this one directly.

The Sven virus has very large files attached to each message, I had a
holiday and returned to find my mailbox on the ISPs server had
overflowed and real mail had been bounced.

That's why I use this one only for Usenet. Real mail gets sent to my
real mail address.


--
"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

Snip

Although I hide the real email address I still get loads of SPAM so when I
wanted to stop ?|£*$% rubbish from getting to the kids email box I found
http://www.spamjab.com/.

This site requires you to know the original ISP details and change a few
settings (all of which are comprehensively explained) and hey presto SPAM
doesn't reach you POP3 mailbox.

They intercept anything that looks like SPAM and hold it for a short period
to ensure that they haven't highlighted something that you really want. If
they spot something that is likely to be SPAM, but they are not certain they
send you an email to request your instructions.

So far I've had nothing sent to me that I didn't want and the best is that
it's currently free.

Cheers
Steve

"Derek Turner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:12:07 +0100, "Vicky"
wrote:

let's have a look at your headers:

From: "Vicky"

yes, there it is for all to see!

Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening
Subject: OT - hiding email details on newsgroups
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:12:07 +0100
Lines: 9
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409

there's one born every minute!

Do you mean someone who paid money for a newreader that does nothing
significantly different or extra that OE (for free) doesnt?


get yourself a decent newsreader client for a start
then in the 'from' field put some thing like '
and in the reply-to field something like vickyversa at yahoo dot
co dot uk which a human can read (and edit) if they need to but a
machine won't recognize.

you MAY be able to do something similar with OE but I can't check as I
wont have that piece of crap on my machine.

So whats wrong with it, specifically? (you can certainly mangle addresses
with it) and since you dont have it and are apparently know nothing about
it, I wonder why you call it a 'piece of crap'.

--
Tumbleweed

Remove my socks for email address

On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:32:55 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
.. .

you MAY be able to do something similar with OE but I can't check as I
wont have that piece of crap on my machine.

So whats wrong with it, specifically? (you can certainly mangle addresses
with it) and since you dont have it and are apparently know nothing about
it, I wonder why you call it a 'piece of crap'.

Abusing MS products is a sort of religion.

I'm only surprised that the all powerful Holy Linux hasn't been
mentioned, so far :-)

In message , Stephen Williams
writes
Snip

Although I hide the real email address I still get loads of SPAM so when I
wanted to stop ?|£*$% rubbish from getting to the kids email box I found
http://www.spamjab.com/.

They intercept anything that looks like SPAM and hold it for a short period
to ensure that they haven't highlighted something that you really want. If
they spot something that is likely to be SPAM, but they are not certain they
send you an email to request your instructions.

So far I've had nothing sent to me that I didn't want and the best is that
it's currently free.

K9 does the same thing but totally under your control. It is, and
according to the author will remain, free. www.keir.net

--
dave @ stejonda

"To materialist eyes, India is a developing country;
to spiritual eyes, the United States is a developing country."
Ram Dass

In message , martin
writes
Use something like Vicky

was created to suck spam.

test!

--
dave @ stejonda

In message , "dave @ stejonda"
writes
In message , martin
writes
Use something like Vicky

was created to suck spam.

test!

Thanks for the pointer Martin

This'll stop the quantity of auto-rejects increasing

--
dave @ stejonda

"martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:32:55 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
.. .

you MAY be able to do something similar with OE but I can't check as I
wont have that piece of crap on my machine.

So whats wrong with it, specifically? (you can certainly mangle addresses
with it) and since you dont have it and are apparently know nothing about
it, I wonder why you call it a 'piece of crap'.

Abusing MS products is a sort of religion.

I'm only surprised that the all powerful Holy Linux hasn't been
mentioned, so far :-)


FWIW I am newly running Linux on another PC (Redhat Advanced Server) and
have to say its not as user friendly as Windows, nor does it have the
hardware compatability yet, for example I would have to committ unnatural
acts to get it to work with my wireless card whereas windows worked right
out of the box.

It may be more powerful but that is definitely at the expense of
ease-of-use. This is from a desktop rather than a server POV. What it has
got going for it ATM is relative immunity to viruses, partially because of
how it works and partially because the virus/worm writers dont target it.

--
Tumbleweed

Remove my socks for email address

Vicky-
Your address will have already been harvested. News groups are the hunting
grounds for Virus senders. Mine became totally clogged with infected, phoney
mails supposedly from MS and phoney return mails.
I simply arranged to change my address from say 'bsmith' to 'smithb' etc
but left it unchanged for the news groups. On the downside I did have to let
all my friends [both of them!!] know my new address.
The result has been miraculous.
Best Wishes Brian. 'flayb' to respond!! but still transmitting
'bflay' to newsgroups.
"Jane Ransom" wrote in message
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In article EFmmc.37$VR4.30@newsfe1-win, Jabba
writes

Assuming you are using IE goto 'Tools' - 'Accounts'. Then select the
'News'
tab. You should then be able to select the news server that you use,
click
on 'Properties' and chage your e-mail address to something with a valid
format i.e. , but which is not real.

Better still, email Jon Green and ask for a deadspam account.
You never know, when you make up an email address, whether or not there
actually is some poor person with that address in which case they will
get all the spam directed at you!!!!!!
Unfortunately, as your address has already been harvested, this exercise
will be pointless unless you change your email address - and remember to
tell all your friends.

If you want Jon Green's email to get a valid 'hidden' address I'll try
and hunt it out for you.
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see