On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Franz Heymann wrote:

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
Following up to Dave and Jim

The problem here was IMO almost certainly caused by a problem in
*one*
field, and the salmonella was transported all over Europe in
lorries.
This has happened before.

Lets not get polorised on the dangers of food poisoning.

This outbreak is limited to a fast food companies outlets in UK.

What interests me is any precautions that might (or not) be
appropriate to the use of horse manure on allotments?

There is a reason why the cooking of foods was invented.

to make meat more easily digestible.
--
Tim C.

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"The Reids" wrote in message
...
Following up to Dave and Jim

The problem here was IMO almost certainly caused by a problem in
*one*
field, and the salmonella was transported all over Europe in
lorries.
This has happened before.

Lets not get polorised on the dangers of food poisoning.

This outbreak is limited to a fast food companies outlets in UK.

What interests me is any precautions that might (or not) be
appropriate to the use of horse manure on allotments?

There is a reason why the cooking of foods was invented.

Franz

Hiya Franz

Nice to see you here.

Ophelia

The message
from June Hughes contains these words:
In message , The Reids
writes
Following up to Nick Maclaren

Then you're blind as well as stupid.

are you having a manure day?

Nick McLaren is a well-respected poster on urg. I haven't looked there
for a while but am sure this is a troll and not him. Very sad.

Seems to be, as the post dropped into my spamtrap, whereas the rest of
the thread (AFAICT) hasn't.

PS Hello everyone on urg

Hello June!

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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

That hardly counts as a reasoned response.
By the way, what do you think the bullshit sig essay below here
defines you as being?

Please don't feed the trolls, Franz, it only makes them feel wanted.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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Martin wrote:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:36:37 +0100, The Reids
wrote:

Following up to sarah

including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as
the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce alike.

luckily unlike horse manure. Pegasus aside.

It's bad enough when Boeing 747s do it.

Blue Ice! :-)

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Mike Lyle wrote:

sarah wrote:
Franz Heymann wrote:

"The Reids" wrote in message
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As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

If you forgot the sarcasm, I apologise for the following:

Fool.

Manure is used by both organic and conventional systems. Salmonella is
present in most faeces, including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as
the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce alike.

Has it perhaps not crossed some minds round here that Franz was just
conceivably not posting without having placed at least the extremity
of his lingual organ in something like the general area of one of the
more buccal regions of his oral anatomy?

Which is why I enquired about the sarcasm. But he is rather
anti-organic at the best of times.

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Mary Fisher wrote:

"sarah" wrote in message
...
Franz Heymann wrote:

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

If you forgot the sarcasm, I apologise for the following:

Fool.

Manure is used by both organic and conventional systems.

Do they really use manure in 'conventional' systems?

Absolutely. Human as well as everything else -- when they can get it.
And, to be fair, as far as I know Organic producers are allowed a
certain proportion of manure from non-organic systems, provided it's
composted and doesn't contain prohibited substances.

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Stephen Howard wrote:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:36:36 +0100, The Reids
wrote:

Following up to Stephen Howard

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon
which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the
lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were.

only "manure" was mentioned, I assumed chicken?

I assumed chicken manure, if used, would have been in pelleted and
sterilized form?
In any event, you can lose the 'horse' - makes no odds.

It's worth investigating previous outbreaks associated with salad crops;
apparently the contamination sometimes comes from the irrigation water
or even the washing water, not manure applied directly to the crop or
the soil before the crop is planted.

regards
sarah


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Think of it as evolution in action.

In article , The Reids
wrote:
Following up to Jim Webster

Franz Heymann

prat

Jim, your sig file is a little over the recommended 4 lines max.

Not Jim, Pete the Troll, he's also forging posts as Nick Maclaren, Jill and
me. I may have missed a few.

Cheerio,

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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
PS Hello everyone on urg

Hello June!

From me too Hiya Rusty

Ophelia

"sarah" wrote in message
. ..
The Reids wrote:

Following up to Jim Webster

Franz Heymann

prat

Jim, your sig file is a little over the recommended 4 lines max.

S'not Jim, at least not as we know him, Captain.
Jim Webster is a respectable poster to UBA; what we have here is a
disreputable troll with no imagination.

That is obvious in urg as well.

Franz

"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
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[snip]

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown.

Might they have fallen from heaven like manna?

{:-))

[snip]

Franz

"sarah" wrote in message
...
Franz Heymann wrote:

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

If you forgot the sarcasm, I apologise for the following:

Fool.

Manure is used by both organic and conventional systems. Salmonella
is
present in most faeces, including those of wild birds. Which
droppeth as
the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce
alike.

Apology accepted.

Franz

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
...
sarah wrote:
Franz Heymann wrote:

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

If you forgot the sarcasm, I apologise for the following:

Fool.

Manure is used by both organic and conventional systems.
Salmonella
is
present in most faeces, including those of wild birds. Which
droppeth
as the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce
alike.

Has it perhaps not crossed some minds round here that Franz was just
conceivably not posting without having placed at least the extremity
of his lingual organ in something like the general area of one of
the
more buccal regions of his oral anatomy?

{:-))

Franz

"jane" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:07:10 +0100, The Reids
wrote:

~As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
~radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
~caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
~Are there implications here for the home producer? I would have
~thought salmonella would be most likely found in raw chicken
~manure, what about horse manure, can we assume herbivores are
~safe?
~--

I think there's an outbreak of lack of common sense rather than of
salmonella. Anything that grows in the ground should be well-washed
before eating, regardless of what it was grown in. Anyone who grows
their own veg would wash it automatically, as it tends to be muddy

and all manures contain nasties when you think about it...

I'd have thought the danger would be in supermarket stuff which has
only been roughly washed and which people think is safe to eat
straight out of the packet.

I doubt if any supermarket would get away with unhygenically treated
foodstuffs for long.

Franz