On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message


Dogs seem to be attracted by the smell ( as opposed to the
movement..of which there's not usually a lot ), and seem quite happy
to sniff, bark and tentatively prod the hedgehog...the latter being
something they only do a couple of times before the message sinks
in.

The hedgehog just rolls itself up and contemplates its navel.

This is good news. I reported in the way I did because when I
enquired from a hedgehog sanctuary whether they have any hedgehoga to
spare, they stipulated that they would only let them go to folks with
completely enclosed gardens and no dogs.

Presumably such animals that turn up in a sanctuary have suffered some
sort of physical trauma - hence the need for the defence of an
enclosed garden...which is certainly and most definitely not the
hedgehog's natural environment.
I suspect too that such places are, quite rightly, somewhat cautious
about well-meaning Joe Publics ringing up asking for a brace of hogs
for the garden.

In any event, it's entirely possible to train dogs to leave hedgehogs
alone ( should they not be discouraged by its considerable defences ).

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

[snip]

You might have to spend a week doing this, but it will decimate the
population to such an extent that a weekly patrol will probably be
adequate.

There is only one extent to which a population can be decimated,
namely to kill off one in every ten.
That leaves 90% fighting fit.
{:-((

There's always one...

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/decimate.html

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

"St. George" St. wrote in message
...
Hi,

Probably an old Chestnut but am new to this N.G.

Could someone please advise if hedgehogs should be encouraged or
discouraged
in the garden.

Also what is the role of the snail and slug ?

Thank you in anticipation,

Happppppppppppppppy Everythings,

LenBo, Weston-SUPER-Mare

If you like holes in the ground, encourage hedgehogs. I personally think
they are a pain in the ass. Ducks will take care of your snails. Slugs and
snails are plant parasites and shoudl be treated like the vermin they are.
Nuke the *******s. - Thanks, C.

"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message


Dogs seem to be attracted by the smell ( as opposed to the
movement..of which there's not usually a lot ), and seem quite
happy
to sniff, bark and tentatively prod the hedgehog...the latter
being
something they only do a couple of times before the message sinks
in.

The hedgehog just rolls itself up and contemplates its navel.

This is good news. I reported in the way I did because when I
enquired from a hedgehog sanctuary whether they have any hedgehoga
to
spare, they stipulated that they would only let them go to folks
with
completely enclosed gardens and no dogs.

Presumably such animals that turn up in a sanctuary have suffered
some
sort of physical trauma - hence the need for the defence of an
enclosed garden...which is certainly and most definitely not the
hedgehog's natural environment.
I suspect too that such places are, quite rightly, somewhat cautious
about well-meaning Joe Publics ringing up asking for a brace of hogs
for the garden.

In any event, it's entirely possible to train dogs to leave
hedgehogs
alone ( should they not be discouraged by its considerable
defences ).

My problem is that, although we have no dogs, our garden is not
completely enclosed. I presume that that means the hogs could wander
out and into dangerous regions.

Franz

"Ray Drouillard" wrote in message
...

"Stan Goodman" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard"

opined:


"Stan Goodman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC,

(paghat)
opined:

In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan
Goodman"
wrote:

A slug is a naked snail.

Ha-cha-cha-cha.

That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the
two
is
the
shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in
rec.gardens.EDIBLE is
a
question I can't answer.

Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden.

Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself.

Sorry. Snails are unclean.

What does "unclean" mean?
If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or
suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal.

Franz

"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

[snip]

You might have to spend a week doing this, but it will decimate
the
population to such an extent that a weekly patrol will probably
be
adequate.

There is only one extent to which a population can be decimated,
namely to kill off one in every ten.
That leaves 90% fighting fit.
{:-((

There's always one...

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/decimate.html

Interesting.
I suppose it is futile to think that words may retain their
definitions when there are so many ignorant wordsmiths bandying them
about.

Franz

"Pam Croxton" wrote in message
...
Hedgehogs should be encouraged as they are the gardeners friend,
they eat
bugs etc. Snails and slugs I am not so sure of.
We encourage and feed hedgehogs,

How do you do that?

[snip]

Franz

In article , Franz Heymann
writes
This is good news. I reported in the way I did because when I
enquired from a hedgehog sanctuary whether they have any hedgehoga to
spare, they stipulated that they would only let them go to folks with
completely enclosed gardens and no dogs.

That sounds crazy! Hedgehogs roam a long way over a night - I can't
imagine that it's in their interests to confine them to a single garden.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

The message
from Janet Baraclough.. contains
these words:

We had a dog who befriended sheep, rabbits and baby chickens and
pheasants, and generally behaved like St Francis of Assisi..until he
discovered hedgehogs. He was a hedgehog killing machine :-(

Clever dog. Probably knew about the hedgehog's penchant for noshing
birds' eggs. And if you think hedgehogs can't climb...

While they are very useful in noshing molluscs, in my book they're
almost as big a pest as the tree rat.

However, I say almost - I do make a very tasty tree-rat pie, but I
tolerate hedgehogs ambling about the garden.

Just.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from Stephen Howard contains these words:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:
"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

[snip]

You might have to spend a week doing this, but it will decimate the
population to such an extent that a weekly patrol will probably be
adequate.

There is only one extent to which a population can be decimated,
namely to kill off one in every ten.
That leaves 90% fighting fit.
{:-((

There's always one...

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/decimate.html

Well, you seem to be it.

Franz is quite (in the proper meaning of the word) correct. Indeed, I
should say that his reply was nice...

I suppose you give *EVERYTHING* you read on the WWW total credence?

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/decimate.html

Interesting.
I suppose it is futile to think that words may retain their
definitions when there are so many ignorant wordsmiths bandying them
about.

Some words may drift in their meanings, but others are set in stone:
when I want to learn what a word *REALLY* means, I reach for my Chambers
or my Collins.

IMO the Oxford panders too much to common usage, bolstering the slack
and the illiterate in their ignorance.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Ray Drouillard" wrote in message
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"Stan Goodman" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:28:18 UTC, "Ray Drouillard"

opined:


"Stan Goodman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:17:41 UTC,

(paghat)
opined:

In article uViCr8LlbtmJ-pn2-udOV900dMXzb@poblano, "Stan
Goodman"
wrote:

A slug is a naked snail.

Ha-cha-cha-cha.

That's exactly what a slug is. The only difference between the
two
is
the
shell. Whether that qualifies slugs to appear in
rec.gardens.EDIBLE is
a
question I can't answer.

Well... a slug is EDIBLE, and can be found in your garden.

Thank you; now I know. Please feel free to help yourself.

Sorry. Snails are unclean.

What does "unclean" mean?
If I understand it correctly, edible snails are fed on bran or
suchlike for a couple of days before being dished up at a meal.

Franz

Not kosher. Treyf. An abomination. Not acceptable as food to observant
Jews. (Lev. 11:42, "You shall not eat... anything that crawls on its
belly...")

--
Chris Green

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:28:00 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

[snip]

You might have to spend a week doing this, but it will decimate
the
population to such an extent that a weekly patrol will probably
be
adequate.

There is only one extent to which a population can be decimated,
namely to kill off one in every ten.
That leaves 90% fighting fit.
{:-((

There's always one...

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/decimate.html

Interesting.
I suppose it is futile to think that words may retain their
definitions when there are so many ignorant wordsmiths bandying them
about.


And that points up your misconception that language is static in
nature.

I thoroughly recommend a book called Mother Tongue, by Bill Bryson.
Should you ever read it I think you'll be appalled to find that you're
just as guilty as the next 'ignorant wordsmith' when it comes to
twisting definitions - and you'll also discover that many of your
linguistic tenets have extremely suspect origins ( such as the
venerable OED ).

.....and somewhere back in the 16th century there's an URGler who's
completely bemused at both your use and spelling of the word
'futile'...and yet another who's wondering what on earth tennis has to
do with the topic in question.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:15:37 +0100, Kay
wrote:

In article , Franz Heymann
writes
This is good news. I reported in the way I did because when I
enquired from a hedgehog sanctuary whether they have any hedgehoga to
spare, they stipulated that they would only let them go to folks with
completely enclosed gardens and no dogs.

That sounds crazy! Hedgehogs roam a long way over a night - I can't
imagine that it's in their interests to confine them to a single garden.

In effect they become pets, with all that that implies.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:44:29 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from Stephen Howard contains these words:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:46:31 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:
"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

[snip]

You might have to spend a week doing this, but it will decimate the
population to such an extent that a weekly patrol will probably be
adequate.

There is only one extent to which a population can be decimated,
namely to kill off one in every ten.
That leaves 90% fighting fit.
{:-((

There's always one...

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/decimate.html

Well, you seem to be it.

Franz is quite (in the proper meaning of the word) correct. Indeed, I
should say that his reply was nice...

I suppose you give *EVERYTHING* you read on the WWW total credence?

Not at all, the link simply saved me the time it would take to write
out the reason why he was wrong in a modern context. I suppose I hoped
that the article would encourage an urge to do a spot of research.

His reply was typical of those who would take the high moral ground
when it comes to language - made all the more amusing by the fact that
from the moment they put words down on paper, that same language will
bite them on their collective arses.

And you really couldn't have picked a worse word to back up your
position....'nice' has evolved in meaning a great many times, and
still has many regional variations. Were you to adhere to the
principle you seem to keen to uphold then you just said 'his reply was
foolish'.

Nice going. How's your arse?

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk