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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Saffy" writes: | "Mike" wrote in message | ... | | If fruit drops onto a neighbours land it is theirs to keep. How come the | football coming onto their land isn't? | | I read recently that windfall apples belong to the owner of the tree even if | they fall on someone elses land. You are not obliged to let on your land to | pick them u however but you can't legally keep them yourself. That is supposed to be so, and the police are exceeding their powers when they order people to hand things back. However, because you are not allowed to keep your neighbour's things that fall on your land, you can't even pick them up! A reasonable compromise to an excessive number of balls flying over is to refuse to stop what you are doing to return them or enable access, and to tell them to come back at a time of your choosing. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Nick is entirely correct here I have a book on household laws, and the later mails showing the law on theft do not apply case law shows that you Do NOT have to return the ball until you touch it. They have committed trespass on your property by putting the ball on it and they have no right of access or return of the ball. What we did when we had the same problem was to give them a time several hours later at which they could return to collect the balls. We also had a Border collie who liked to sink his teeth in to footballs which helped... The Q |
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The devil cannot enter your home unless you invite him in.
Allowing the neighbor kids into your yard to retrieve their balls is inviting a whole lot of trouble. They will be nowhere nearly as careful with your plants, garden and property as you are. "Sacha" wrote in message k... On 10/11/04 16:15, in article , "ex WGS Hamm" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message k... snip Tell them they don't need to ask - just go and get it. Worked fine for me some years ago. Then they would be trespassing and if it was my garden, they would be in grave danger of being seriously injured by my dogs. But it isn't your garden and they're not trespassing if they ask and are granted permission. And we don't know that the OP has dogs. At that particular point in my life, I had two dogs and it never crossed my mind that they would attack anyone, let alone children, because that wasn't in their nature. I see no point in keeping vicious animals. -- Sacha (remove the weeds for email) |
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Sure Franz, maybe not republican in name but certainly republican in spirit!
Tony Blair may belong to the Labor Party but he is a closet Conservative chicken hawk just like Dubya!! They both served the same amount of time in military service!!!! Sure Franz, you are just cursed with object of scorn Prime Ministers like Tony Blair. Not much of a difference at all!!! "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . com... Yeah, that Theft act is a bit convoluted. It protects the stupid and punishes the victim. Must have been written up by a republican judge. There are no republican judges in the UK. The neighbor should have returned the balls deflated with punctures in them! You son is obviously a dyslexic dumb jock meat head. Don't want to know anything more about your dimwit spawn. His not being able to keep his balls out of neighbor's yards six times (or more) is all the proof one needs of how inept the dullard is. He's so dumb, he could be president some day! We are not cursed with objects of scorn like presidents in the UK. Franz |
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"ex WGS Hamm" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message k... On 10/11/04 6:16, in article , "Brian Watson" wrote: "PhEaSaNt PLuCKeR" wrote in message ... How can I stop the kids next door keep coming round every 5 mins asking if they can go into my garden to get their ball back? Remember you were a child once too. Then it won't matter. Tell them they don't need to ask - just go and get it. Worked fine for me some years ago. Then they would be trespassing and if it was my garden, they would be in grave danger of being seriously injured by my dogs. Then you would be in serious danger of being prosecuted for keeping dangerous dogs, and your dogs in serious danger of being killed*. -- Tumbleweed *aka 'put down' Remove my socks for email address |
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"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message . com... The devil cannot enter your home unless you invite him in. He can if he drives a TV detector van. -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks for email address |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
"ex WGS Hamm" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message k... On 10/11/04 6:16, in article , "Brian Watson" wrote: "PhEaSaNt PLuCKeR" wrote in message ... How can I stop the kids next door keep coming round every 5 mins asking if they can go into my garden to get their ball back? Remember you were a child once too. Then it won't matter. Tell them they don't need to ask - just go and get it. Worked fine for me some years ago. Then they would be trespassing and if it was my garden, they would be in grave danger of being seriously injured by my dogs. Then you would be in serious danger of being prosecuted for keeping dangerous dogs, and your dogs in serious danger of being killed*. And your dogs won't attack people they've been introduced to. I quite like the idea of next-door children feeling welcome to pop in and collect their ball: gardens always look better with children in them. Pays dividends later on when you want some little job done, too! Mike. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message Tell them they don't need to ask - just go and get it. Worked fine for me some years ago. Then they would be trespassing and if it was my garden, they would be in grave danger of being seriously injured by my dogs. But it isn't your garden and they're not trespassing if they ask and are granted permission. And we don't know that the OP has dogs. At that particular point in my life, I had two dogs and it never crossed my mind that they would attack anyone, let alone children, because that wasn't in their nature. I see no point in keeping vicious animals. The poster to whom I was replying said, "they don't need to ask - just go and get it.". That implies no permission was sought. It would thence be trespass. So you had 2 dogs who would not guard your property. Good for you. What was the point in keeping them? Only one of my animals could be considered dangerous. I keep him because I love him, he loves me and I have no fears of pikeys or anyone else breaking in to steal my parrots from the aviary block while he is in the yard. Or breaking in to steal anything for that matter. You don't see the need, but perhaps you don't live way out in the sticks with no streetlights, on your own and where other properties on the 2 mile remote stretch of lane have been broken into. All I can say is that it is a good job Kip never came to you as a pup. You would not have seen the need to keep him and would no doubt have had him put down. Good job we aren't all the same. I could not abide a dozy bugger of a dog who would not protect me and mine. I was making a point to someone who maintained it was ok for the kids firstly to kick the ball over, and then to simply go and fetch it without asking permission. The garden owner might have a dog who hated kids, he might also have had a shed with chemicals in or a greenhouse with brittle glass, or a fall in-able pond for the little darlings to drown themselves in. The point I am making is that nobody should enter someone's property unless they have permission. |
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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message . .. Then you would be in serious danger of being prosecuted for keeping dangerous dogs, and your dogs in serious danger of being killed*. Actually no I would not. There is no law against keeping a dangerous dog as long as certain precautions are made. The precautions I make are keeping them in a secure garden behind high hedges and 6 foot high gates which cannot be opened from the outside. And he is not in any danger of being killed if he bit. He no doubt would run off never to be seen again if he badly bit someone. Shame. Then I would look about for another dog just like him and find one in a couple of months. Deep joy . Whomever took the time and effprt to scale the 6 foot high gates hearing 7 dogs barking and snarling behind them would have to be really stupid. I doubt it will ever happen. |
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from "Joanne" contains these words: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message Sorry about the long reply but this is the actual law ............ Depriving someone of their property without legal right, but with no intention of depriving them of it permanently (legal right might be for instance, the police removing evidence) is a civil offence, and usually, a criminal offence, too. "Theft By Finding" is what it used to be called, I think; if you find something that isn't yours and you keep it, then it's theft. No, theft by finding is still with the intention of depriving permanently the owner of the goods. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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ex WGS Hamm wrote:
"Tumbleweed" wrote in message . .. Then you would be in serious danger of being prosecuted for keeping dangerous dogs, and your dogs in serious danger of being killed*. Actually no I would not. There is no law against keeping a dangerous dog as long as certain precautions are made. The precautions I make are keeping them in a secure garden behind high hedges and 6 foot high gates which cannot be opened from the outside. And he is not in any danger of being killed if he bit. He no doubt would run off never to be seen again if he badly bit someone. Shame. Then I would look about for another dog just like him and find one in a couple of months. Deep joy . Whomever took the time and effprt to scale the 6 foot high gates hearing 7 dogs barking and snarling behind them would have to be really stupid. I doubt it will ever happen. Blimey! Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... And your dogs won't attack people they've been introduced to. Kip will.He has done. I quite like the idea of next-door children feeling welcome to pop in and collect their ball: gardens always look better with children in them. Pays dividends later on when you want some little job done, too! But not everyone *likes* kids. It so happens I don't particularly and don't see why I should have other people's inflicted on me. I like the kids next door and am happy to spend time with them and buy them pressies at xmas but other than that, you can keep them.Next door's kids are the only ones around here and they are too little to try to get into the garden. They wouldn't anyway as they know Kip bites. Other than the chavs from the council estate perhaps walking past to the local bonking site of an evening, there aren't any young people. Not even the macho chavs are stupid enough to try to get into the yard.They know about my dogs and they know about me. |
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"Des Higgins" wrote in message ... Ehhhh, I have two young kids of my own already who play in the garden. If balls come in, the kids just deal with it themselves. If they make a mess, I ask them to be careful. They are nice kids (mine and the neighbours'). I think one is more tolerant when one has children. I am a crabby middle aged woman who's son is adult and lives away :0) I have smashing neighbours too which is great. But not everyones garden is safe for kids. If the people whos garden the ball goes into do not have kids, they might have all kinds of chemicals stored in all kinds of containers (pop bottles) and a barel of toxic homebrew in the shed. Who knows what kids would do if they had the chance for a nosey about if nobody was in. I know I would have when I was a kid ;0) |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from "suspicious minds" contains these words: Sorry about the long reply but this is the actual law and I have underlined the parts which could apply to the keeping of balls and fruit etc However, you have not mentioned conversion. Depriving someone of their property without legal right, but with no intention of depriving them of it permanently (legal right might be for instance, the police removing evidence) is a civil offence, and usually, a criminal offence, too. I would have to argue that one. My brothers ex girlfriend stole everything out of his house when he was away on holiday. When the police turned up she said she took most of it 'by mistake' and would eventually give it back to him. 6 months later and it still wasn't returned and the police would do nothing. He even when to the chief of police to see if this was correct and to dayte she still has his stuff, apparently in storage and plans to return it 'eventually'. |
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from "Tumbleweed" contains these words: The devil cannot enter your home unless you invite him in. He can if he drives a TV detector van. No, that's not the Devil, it's only a minor demon, and he can't get in without a court order. The Devil comes with a Customs and Excise crowbar. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:22:26 -0000, "PhEaSaNt PLuCKeR"
wrote: How can I stop the kids next door keep coming round every 5 mins asking if they can go into my garden to get their ball back? Do what the bloke 2 doors down from me did. Tell the most responsible parent yer wife's got a terminal illness. This story will then filter down to the smallest footballer within 24 hours. I've had the little blighters playing footie outside my house (to spare her the noise!) for 3 years now ..... and I've got proper glass windows at the front! I didn't twig till this summer when the neighbour in the middle told me the only time she'd ever seen her ill, was with falling-down-sickness outside the local on a Friday night. My how we laughed! Liz |
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