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"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently about saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing. I didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still work for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the museum. I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed Exactly how old are you? I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it. |
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i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g, Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just don't get it. but sydneysiders subsidise a lot of country stuff. Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested to know what they are subsidising. |
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thanks ross,
almost missed this post, got the link saved looks very interesting. how easily could our leaders save more wate than they can poke a stick at hey?? On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:24:22 GMT, Ross McKay wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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Netiquette Issue was i wrote... NOW X-POSTED
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: I stronly object to your cross posting. You may think my post had something to do with a generational difference but I do not. It's about attitudes to water and waste which is relevant in this ng but not in my opinion to a family group where I did not post and do not want to post. If you want to post a rant of your own to a family group then do so, but in future please do NOT use MY post to which you attach your rant. I will try to remember that doing so offends you, and am sorry that you are unhappy about being crossposted. BUT -- if you post to Usenet, you are posting in a public forum (*). I indicated that I had crossposted, and I included an attribution, which is AFAIK all that is necessary. I don't think I have violated netiquette, but if I have, please let me know which netiquette guide you are using so that I may become better informed. (*) So public that you are archived on Google Groups for web access too! -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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gardenlen wrote: no!! peer pressure and yuppieism and indoctrination into believeing that these wastefull macmansion and all the trimmings are as good as it gets. so us baby boomer as parent and grand-parents as well now are battlers the common folk, the others are the psuedo neuvo rich yuppie set, the real resource wasters, because money buys everything hey? well got news for them they can't drink money as water nor can they eat it as food. So in general, your kids and the kids of your friends haven't bought back in to the rat-race? -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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not sure chookie,
waht i mean is they are the way they are due to peer pressure not because we where baby boomer parents who thought they should have everything, quiet the opposite they developed all these wasteful ways since leaving home, now we are trying to get them to think different but not winning i tell you. On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:22:11 +1100, Chookie wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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... In article , "0tterbot" wrote: it's an interesting theory - the only problem i can find with it is that i think it doesn't pan out in reality :-) i'd have to think about that more to be sure where i stand on it, but as a 36y.o. child of baby boomers (dh is 38 & also the child of boomers), it certainly doesn't work in our house, & thinking of people i know, it doesn't seem to work there either. snip my parents were always broke when we were growing up - do you think that might be the real key? privilege vs lack thereof? Yes -- I was going to list the exceptions but didn't bother. hm. tbh, i'm with jen on this - i think you're just being too general :-) it would be fair to say that people who've known nothing but privilege tend (perhaps) to parent a little differently, but to paint entire generations with a broad brush is something that pretty much gets my goat. individuals within an entire generation are simply far too different both in personality and experience for that to work well. For example, Boomer-age migrants generally don't have the Boomer mindset i really don't think there's one "boomer mindset" though. the boomers have age-related similarities in many ways (just as every generation does) but i can't handle the idea of a boomer mindset. they were the most privileged generation australia has ever had (i don't think subsequent generations are nearly so privileged - and by that i'm clearly not only talking about money, but general advantage, access, and power) and that may make some difference between them & the rest of us, but in the main i feel parenting style comes down to so many factors that one's generation is quite possibly the least of it. So yes, if your Boomer parents were very poor, that's probably why you don't think like that. They had better things to do than consider their own self-actualisation, or do I mean self-aggrandisement. well, not really :-) my dad was pretty much into self-actualisation, and that's how i became a child of divorce g. but seriously, these are two people (my parents) with so little in common in every imaginable way that i find it difficult to believe they were ever married (even though i was there). yet, their upbringings were extremely similar (and similarly modest), they're almost the same age, were born & raised only 30km apart, etc etc etc. they're just totally different people who, then and now, behave extraordinarily differently in every way including their parenting styles (then and now) and, well, everything. my example of two doesn't negate your point, but since we're talking about the children of boomers, it's not a bad place to start. my dad is totally overindulgent to himself & others - so when we were broke, we were the ones taking stuff back from the supermarket checkout because he didn't have enough money to actually get everything we'd asked for. if we'd been wealthy, i wonder what sort of angry, self-entitled ****** i'd be, according to your theory? g kylie |
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... Im just concerned that if storm water doesn't run out to sea the sharks will go further upriver due to more salinity. That will cause some nasty surprises. Sharks swim upriver underturd. are you serious? According to a certain ABC station. Fishing program. Melbourne i'm speculating, but even though stormwater is "a lot" (in terms of people actually using it) it couldn't possibly be "a lot" in terms of the ocean. a drop in it, i'd hazard ;-) It looks like i mispelled agin. i was wondering what an "underturd" is, but i thought i'd just not go there. g (you're not talking about sewage outfall, by any chance? ;-) kylie |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
... "0tterbot" wrote in message i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g, Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just don't get it. but sydneysiders subsidise a lot of country stuff. Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested to know what they are subsidising. i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people remember erroneously :-) in nsw (as an example) there are 4 million city-folk & one million country-folk. the one million take up a lot more space than the 4 million do, but still have roads, schools, hospitals etc to consider. there's no way on earth the one million are paying for the country stuff & the 4 million paying for the city stuff because that would not be possible - it just doesn't work that way. in cities you get economies of scale (consider telstra cables, for example). so the extra state & federal monies raised in cities but destined for project whatever end up in the country too otherwise the country couldn't afford anything at all :-). so we might help pay for their (cough) desalinator, but they help pay for our roads, schools, hospitals, telstra cable, etc. tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it - yet similarly spending for something in a state is paid for by the whole state. kylie |
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... "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "0tterbot" wrote in message i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g, Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just don't get it. but sydneysiders subsidise a lot of country stuff. Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested to know what they are subsidising. i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people remember erroneously :-) Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up. in nsw (as an example) there are 4 million city-folk & one million country-folk. the one million take up a lot more space than the 4 million do, but still have roads, schools, hospitals etc to consider. there's no way on earth the one million are paying for the country stuff & the 4 million paying for the city stuff because that would not be possible - it just doesn't work that way. Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State highway. Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the GST. Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers are the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being those rampant consumers? in cities you get economies of scale (consider telstra cables, for example). so the extra state & federal monies raised in cities but destined for project whatever end up in the country too otherwise the country couldn't afford anything at all :-). so we might help pay for their (cough) desalinator, but they help pay for our roads, schools, hospitals, telstra cable, etc. They don't pay for our roads, we do, unless it's deemed that there is a Statewide or Natrionwide need for the road to be highway. They pay for our schools and hospitals if they consume, otherwise they pay for it in taxes just like the rest of us unless they are using social services. So little Telstra improvement has not happened since the first sale of shares that it doesn't count (and how dare the bloody Feds sell something we owned anyway - *******s!). But in addition to all that, there are strategic reasons why a vibrant countryside is needed, but that philosphy has disapearred from the thinging of any State or Federal Government over the past few decades. Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've done a great job economically. tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it Couldn't have put it better myself - shame they don"t think of that in Macquarie St. I think that the WA and Qld governemtns might be better at that than the NSW government. - yet similarly spending for something in a state is paid for by the whole state. kylie |
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"Jonno" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently about saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing. I didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still work for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the museum. I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed Exactly how old are you? I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it. Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest cause of spam yet. |
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"Jonno" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently about saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing. I didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still work for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the museum. I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed Exactly how old are you? I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it. Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest cause of spam yet. |
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... Farm1 wrote: I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it. Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest cause of spam yet. biggest? it's not supposed to make bigger spam, it's supposed to... oh never mind. kylie |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
... i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people remember erroneously :-) Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up. the federal liberal (sic) party is killing tafe. remember that at voting time! Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State highway. well, yeah. Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the GST. Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers are the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being those rampant consumers? well not necessarily - based on sheer numbers it's purely a fact that they contribute (slightly more than) 4/5 of state revenue in nsw. there's actually many more taxes and similar than gst. gst did away with precisely one (1) that i know of, although undoubtedly there were a few more that i don't know of. (it's nowhere near as "efficient" etc as was touted - it's a mess :-) and i say "slightly more than" due to (generally) higher wages & higher employment in syd-er-nee. They don't pay for our roads, we do, unless it's deemed that there is a Statewide or Natrionwide need for the road to be highway. They pay for our schools and hospitals if they consume, otherwise they pay for it in taxes just like the rest of us unless they are using social services. So little Telstra improvement has not happened since the first sale of shares that it doesn't count (and how dare the bloody Feds sell something we owned anyway - *******s!). damned straight! and remember that at voting time, too ;-) But in addition to all that, there are strategic reasons why a vibrant countryside is needed, but that philosphy has disapearred from the thinging of any State or Federal Government over the past few decades. i agree. except himself with the flappy lips who pays flappy-lip service to the idea (seeing as how they're in a coalition with the nats). Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've done a great job economically. preach it, farm!!!!!! tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it Couldn't have put it better myself - shame they don"t think of that in Macquarie St. I think that the WA and Qld governemtns might be better at that than the NSW government. i think a roomful of angry one-legged budgies would achieve more than the nsw govt, but perhaps that's just me. kylie |
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Farm1 wrote: "Jonno" wrote in message On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently about saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing. I didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still work for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the museum. I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed Exactly how old are you? I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it. Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest cause of spam yet. ???? Eh? This is an example of the sort of thing I don't understand in many of your posts. You must know what you're referring to, but I haven't got a clue. It's like you're using a mental shorthand that I could pick up if I saw you face to face and could query you on it, but since it drops onto my screen in a virtual vacuum, I'm lost. In another post to Len you said that you teach people to be "clear and concise", but the brevity of your posts may meet the conciseness criteria but not the clear criteria at all. To know what email you're referring to and what spam, I'd have to have received the email and the spam and I haven't received either. |
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