Anita, you very generous and great.
Budi
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From: Anita Hawkins
To:
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:37 AM
Subject: [IBC] Identifying Trees in the wild


Jeff - Here's an online resource worth checking out!

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/forestry/...treesindex.htm

Trees of Ohio, and the links for each species show a close up of buds
and bark as well as leaves. Maybe you can print out that whole list to
take with you

Some of the species worth doing bonsai with on that list, from my
experience, a
European Black Alder (Alnus glutinosa)
Arborvitae (Thuja occidentalis)
Baldcypress (Taxodium distichum)
American Beech (Fagus grandifolia)
Blue Beech aka American Hornbeam (Carpinus caroliniana)
Blackhaw (Viburnum prunifolium)
Common Buckthorn (Rhamnus cathartica)
Burning Bush (Euonymus alatus)
Black Chokeberry (Aronia melanocarpa)
American Crabapple (Malus coronaria)
Hackberry (Celtis occidentalis)
Hawthorn (Crataegus species)
Eastern Hemlock (Tsuga canadensis)
Amur Honeysuckle (Lonicera maackii)
American Hophornbeam (Ostrya virginiana)
Red Maple (Acer rubrum)
Virginia Pine (Pinus virginiana)
American Plum (Prunus americana)
Thicket Serviceberry (Amelanchier canadensis)

Other list-friends may want to add to the above.

My personal favorites, which you might want to be sure you can
recognize, are Hornbean, blackhaw (*super* bark texture, even when
young, responds well to root and top pruning, great fall color;
branching pattern tends to be rather stiff and perpendicular, Burning
Bush (dig a great *trunk* and grow out), crabapple and serviceberry.

Anita
Northern Harford County, Maryland


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In message
87FC4D6C5FBDD311A6F00008C7E6F4C6243260BB@excmsg01 ptlge.penske.com,
"Isom, Jeff , EM, PTL" writes

Oak,

Can oaks be turned into bonsai trees? Believe it or not I have SIX baby
oak trees sitting on my window sill this very minute.

Years ago more as something to do Hazel picked up some acorns and grew
them into miniature trees which when she was about 12 we handed over to
the local tree planting group. She's never really forgiven me for not
being able to take her to see where they were taken.

More as a joke (again) on a UK newsgroup last autumn we said we'd
collect more acorns and conkers and have another go. The conkers seem to
have gone AWOL in the workshop because we were told not to plant them
when we collected them - but out of the 10 acorns which we picked up
from a tree locally, six are sitting here.

So if they can be turned into bonsai, what do we do?

I'm intending to go and see if our main library in town has any books
for beginners (yes, I've seen which books are on amazon.co.uk but I
can't decide which to go for apart from the A - Z of plants)

Sincerely, Chris
--
Chris McMillan
reply to:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.mcmillan/

Chris: Yes, you can bonsai an oak. It's just a very long term project.
By the way, you are welcome to any of the many oak seedlings which come up in my
gutters and yard. They're very easy to start.
Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA
http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com
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Chris McMillan wrote:
Can oaks be turned into bonsai trees? Believe it or not I have SIX baby
oak trees sitting on my window sill this very minute.

Years ago more as something to do Hazel picked up some acorns and grew
them into miniature trees which when she was about 12 we handed over to
the local tree planting group. She's never really forgiven me for not
being able to take her to see where they were taken.

More as a joke (again) on a UK newsgroup last autumn we said we'd
collect more acorns and conkers and have another go. The conkers seem to
have gone AWOL in the workshop because we were told not to plant them
when we collected them - but out of the 10 acorns which we picked up
from a tree locally, six are sitting here.

So if they can be turned into bonsai, what do we do?

I'm intending to go and see if our main library in town has any books
for beginners (yes, I've seen which books are on amazon.co.uk but I
can't decide which to go for apart from the A - Z of plants)
Sincerely, Chris
Chris McMillan

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In message

87FC4D6C5FBDD311A6F00008C7E6F4C6243260BB@excmsg01 ptlge.penske.co
m,
"Isom, Jeff , EM, PTL" writes

Oak,

Can oaks be turned into bonsai trees? Believe it or not I have
SIX baby
oak trees sitting on my window sill this very minute.


Which oak? Some make good bonsai, some don't. They're long-term
projects, in any event. Especially from seed.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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Oaks can be excellent bonsai. One of mine is coming along nicely. Take a
look if you like. http://www.actionvideo.freeserve.co.uk/kev'soak.htm
This one is a collected specimen though.

Plant them in the ground for four or five years and keep cutting the top
back two or three times per season. Lift each spring and rearrange the
roots especially reducing any tap root.

I tried bonsaing from acorn about 15 years ago and still have the tree
that has spent its entire life in a pot. It is a thin sickly specimen in
comparison to the many that I've done by planting them out in the
ground.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Zone 9, Vale of Clwyd, North Wales, UK

Chris McMillan wrote:
Can oaks be turned into bonsai trees? Believe it or not I have SIX baby
oak trees sitting on my window sill this very minute.

Years ago more as something to do Hazel picked up some acorns and grew
them into miniature trees which when she was about 12 we handed over to
the local tree planting group. She's never really forgiven me for not
being able to take her to see where they were taken.

More as a joke (again) on a UK newsgroup last autumn we said we'd
collect more acorns and conkers and have another go. The conkers seem to
have gone AWOL in the workshop because we were told not to plant them
when we collected them - but out of the 10 acorns which we picked up
from a tree locally, six are sitting here.

So if they can be turned into bonsai, what do we do?

I'm intending to go and see if our main library in town has any books
for beginners (yes, I've seen which books are on amazon.co.uk but I
can't decide which to go for apart from the A - Z of plants)
Sincerely, Chris
Chris McMillan



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kevin bailey wrote:

snip

I tried bonsaing from acorn about 15 years ago and still have the tree
that has spent its entire life in a pot. It is a thin sickly specimen in
comparison to the many that I've done by planting them out in the
ground.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Zone 9, Vale of Clwyd, North Wales, UK


If it were me I'd collect. I've collected some red oak around here. I found one
in a semi-boggy area that should be very nice after it recovers for a year in the
ground. I understand the appeal of growing from seed, though, although I don't
think I'd live long enough to see the project through!

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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In message , Alan Walker
writes
Chris: Yes, you can bonsai an oak. It's just a very long term project.
By the way, you are welcome to any of the many oak seedlings which come
up in my
gutters and yard. They're very easy to start.

I'm in the UK Alan: I think I'd better find my own. :-) And Jim has
given some much needed advice: my babies are not the right sort of oaks
for bonsai so they will continue to grow to be big oaks and will
eventually go to a local conservation group - at least this time Hazel
can drive (neither her dad nor I can see enough to drive) her own trees
and see where they come to rest!

Sincerely, Chris
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In message 000001c2f5cb$d35ba500$44dc883e@Action, kevin bailey
writes
Oaks can be excellent bonsai. One of mine is coming along nicely. Take a
look if you like. http://www.actionvideo.freeserve.co.uk/kev'soak.htm
This one is a collected specimen though.

Plant them in the ground for four or five years and keep cutting the top
back two or three times per season. Lift each spring and rearrange the
roots especially reducing any tap root.

I tried bonsaing from acorn about 15 years ago and still have the tree
that has spent its entire life in a pot.

My bonsai would have to be pot only: there isn't spare ground for more
tree. The leaf is bigger than yours so maybe its not a viable option
this time. :-)

But I am going to get my hands on the herbs bonsai book if I can: that
could well be an option as we grow them anyway.

Sincerely, Chris
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Just wanted to follow-up...

Thanks again to everyone for the advice/suggestions. The rain held off long
enough Friday for me to get out for several hours. I have to say, I was
very disappointed though. I'm not finished yet, but almost all of the the
really nice looking trees that were small enough to carry ended up being
large "suckers" with practically no independant root system to speak of. If
I had more time, I'd probably try air-layering a bunch of stuff; but they
are already in there with chain saws and bull-dozers...

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

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Just wanted to follow-up...

Thanks again to everyone for the advice/suggestions. The rain
held off long
enough Friday for me to get out for several hours. I have to
say, I was
very disappointed though. I'm not finished yet, but almost all
of the the
really nice looking trees that were small enough to carry ended
up being
large "suckers" with practically no independant root system to
speak of. If
I had more time, I'd probably try air-layering a bunch of
stuff; but they
are already in there with chain saws and bull-dozers...


You can treat a "sucker" (especially if there are a few roots)
like you would a cutting and often have some success. Trees that
sucker are, almost by definition, filled with the "will to live."

Unfortunately, trees that sucker also seem to be trees with
coarse branching and large internodes (except, perhaps, for
Prunus and Fagus).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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Do you cut above the main root or include part of it?

Unless I'm totally off in my ID's, some of these are Beech, some are Willow
and some are Hawthorn (at least they have some wicked looking thorns on
them).

snip

You can treat a "sucker" (especially if there are a few roots)
like you would a cutting and often have some success. Trees that
sucker are, almost by definition, filled with the "will to live."

Unfortunately, trees that sucker also seem to be trees with
coarse branching and large internodes (except, perhaps, for
Prunus and Fagus).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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Well, I'll state the obvious first: Include whatever part has
some of the smaller feeder roots on it. Then, I'd cut it
something like an upside-down T. I'd scrape away the bark along
the top of the T (the bottom of the "cutting" in this case)
except near where the rootlets come out and treat that scraped
part and the cut ends with rooting hormone. Keep the hormone
well away from the rootlets; it can actually INHIBIT their
functioning.

From that point, treat as a cutting.

If they are willow, don't bother with all that stuff. Just jam a
stick into the ground and wait. The beech should root OK handled
as I describe. The haws will be more difficult (In MY
experience), if not impossible.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

Do you cut above the main root or include part of it?

Unless I'm totally off in my ID's, some of these are Beech,
some are Willow
and some are Hawthorn (at least they have some wicked looking
thorns on
them).

snip

You can treat a "sucker" (especially if there are a few roots)
like you would a cutting and often have some success. Trees
that
sucker are, almost by definition, filled with the "will to
live."

Unfortunately, trees that sucker also seem to be trees with
coarse branching and large internodes (except, perhaps, for
Prunus and Fagus).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life
is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden


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Thanks. I'll stick to Beeches and just keep looking until I find a Hawthorn
with actual roots. I already have 1 Willow - don't think I'd have time for
another one!

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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:31 AM
To: Isom, Jeff (EM, PTL);
Subject: [IBC] Identifying Trees in the wild


Well, I'll state the obvious first: Include whatever part has
some of the smaller feeder roots on it. Then, I'd cut it
something like an upside-down T. I'd scrape away the bark along
the top of the T (the bottom of the "cutting" in this case)
except near where the rootlets come out and treat that scraped
part and the cut ends with rooting hormone. Keep the hormone
well away from the rootlets; it can actually INHIBIT their
functioning.

From that point, treat as a cutting.

If they are willow, don't bother with all that stuff. Just jam a
stick into the ground and wait. The beech should root OK handled
as I describe. The haws will be more difficult (In MY
experience), if not impossible.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

Do you cut above the main root or include part of it?

Unless I'm totally off in my ID's, some of these are Beech,
some are Willow
and some are Hawthorn (at least they have some wicked looking
thorns on
them).

snip

You can treat a "sucker" (especially if there are a few roots)
like you would a cutting and often have some success. Trees
that
sucker are, almost by definition, filled with the "will to
live."

Unfortunately, trees that sucker also seem to be trees with
coarse branching and large internodes (except, perhaps, for
Prunus and Fagus).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life
is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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