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Hobo wrote: This has been an excellent example of a 'high-jacked' thread. What about Sarah and her tomato problem? There has been all kinds of advice for the driveway problems and next to nothing to help out Sarah. Hobo Nod of the hat to Ann who out of the kindness of her heart usually keeps us on track. Even so, there have been 4 responders to Sarah's question: Hello.... I planted tomatoes in southern New Mexico. The ground had no previous garden, looked OK. I tilled in organic compost to 10", lots of compost. Planted several varieties, 15 plants, in a row. Automatic watering with drip hose, ground covered by black plastic weed stopper (breathes). Killed grass around with roundup (had bermuda reaching into garden). Covered all plants with plastic bags first. Bags seemed to make hot house and make tomatoes grow but Ieft them on 2 days and it killed plants on one side of garden (more sun). Replaced those with new plants. Put time release fetrilize on soil and soaked in when first planted, have used liquid fertilizer two times since. Direct sun 5 - 6 hours a day, lots of indirect light (shade under tree) otherwise. Planted 1.5 months ago. All plants, old and new, at just sitting there, no or very little increase in height...all except one plant on the end away from new plants. This one is growing very well, lush, getting taller. Others have green tops, lower limbs died some time ago. The green tops look healthy but donig nothing, some scraggly. Don't know why but get the feeling some of them are on their way to dying, or maybe they just won't grow. Why aren't they growing? Searched the web, I see lots of diseases, and will try to look close at the plants when I return (on vacation for few days). Any advice would really be appreciated. I only grew tomatoes once before, in New Jersey, and they were a spectacular success with little effort. Thanks very much, Sarah This was posted in rec.gardens.edible and separately in rec.gardens. Between the two sites, Sara as received 13 responses to her question. The thread moves on but the question has been addressed. The Lower limbs of my tomatoes aren't doing so well either but then they are 3'+ tall and have bush beans blocking their sunlight at lower levels. I have grown (and am growing, I hope) tomatoes in areas that only have 3-4 hours of Sun/day. Granted some need more Sun than others. Kay suggested removing one plant and repotting it with commercial potting soil in a 5 gallon container to see if there was an improvement in the plants growth. Sara has not been ignored. Thank you for caring Hobo. -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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Billy Rose wrote:
I planted tomatoes in southern New Mexico. The ground had no previous garden, looked OK. I tilled in organic compost to 10", lots of compost. Planted several varieties, 15 plants, in a row. Automatic watering with drip hose, ground covered by black plastic weed stopper (breathes). Killed grass around with roundup (had bermuda reaching into garden). Covered all plants with plastic bags first. Covering individual plants doesn't prevent the defolient from penetrating the soil. Every time you water or it rains the round up perimeter expands. Bags seemed to make hot house and make tomatoes grow but Ieft them on 2 days and it killed plants on one side of garden (more sun). The sun wasn't the major culprit. Replaced those with new plants. Put time release fetrilize on soil and soaked in when first planted, have used liquid fertilizer two times since. Direct sun 5 - 6 hours a day, lots of indirect light (shade under tree) otherwise. Planted 1.5 months ago. All plants, old and new, at just sitting there, no or very little increase in height...all except one plant on the end away from new plants. This one is growing very well, lush, getting taller. You missed that spot with the roundup... you need better aim. Others have green tops, lower limbs died some time ago. The green tops look healthy but donig nothing, some scraggly. Don't know why but get the feeling some of them are on their way to dying, or maybe they just won't grow. Why aren't they growing? See above. duh I can't believe any sane person would use round up anywhere near any kind of garden plants. It'll be at least two years before the roundup in the soil fully breaks down. I'd move the garden. |
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Sheldon wrote: I can't believe any sane person would use round up anywhere near any kind of garden plants. It'll be at least two years before the roundup in the soil fully breaks down. I'd move the garden. Some people don't know better. I'm sure she does now. ;-) You are not supposed to use Round Up anywhere near edible garden plants anyway. It's on the bottle iirc? It's also only supposed to kill plants who's leaves come in contact with it. Soil distribution is not supposed to affect other plants growth... but who trusts Monsanto? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Jul 9, 11:13?am, Omelet wrote:
In article . com, Sheldon wrote: I can't believe any sane person would use round up anywhere near any kind of garden plants. It'll be at least two years before the roundup in the soil fully breaks down. I'd move the garden. Some people don't know better. I'm sure she does now. ;-) You are not supposed to use Round Up anywhere near edible garden plants anyway. It's on the bottle iirc? It's also only supposed to kill plants who's leaves come in contact with it. Soil distribution is not supposed to affect other plants growth... but who trusts Monsanto? Roundup is systemic, it's primarilly applied to foilage but once in the soil it is taken up by plant roots as well. These kind of defolients need to be applied very carefully, it's real easy to have over-spray of 50, 100 feet, and more. Even when the treated plants die the defoliant is still in the dead plant and will remain potent long after the plant is composted and its dust blows wherever. I used to use roundup on my gravel driveway and around building foundations, but no more, it also poisons the animals that eat the vegetation, the insects, and even walk there. I'd rather live with some weeds... those that encroach on my gardens I pull up by hand, use mulch, and cultivate... I love my new Mantis. |
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Leythos wrote: In article om, says... Roundup is systemic, it's primarilly applied to foilage but once in the soil it is taken up by plant roots as well. These kind of defolients need to be applied very carefully, it's real easy to have over-spray of 50, 100 feet, and more. Even when the treated plants die the defoliant is still in the dead plant and will remain potent long after the plant is composted and its dust blows wherever. I used to use roundup on my gravel driveway and around building foundations, but no more, it also poisons the animals that eat the vegetation, the insects, and even walk there. I'd rather live with some weeds... those that encroach on my gardens I pull up by hand, use mulch, and cultivate... I grow my veggies in large buckets about 2' in diameter and 2' tall that are in a mulched area, I spray the mulch monthly with weed killer, but the plants are isolated from the ground by the buckets... This has worked well for us, we can even move them as needed. Now if I could just keep the dogs from picking the green tomato's before they ripen. Hot wire. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote: I grow my veggies in large buckets about 2' in diameter and 2' tall that are in a mulched area, I spray the mulch monthly with weed killer, but the plants are isolated from the ground by the buckets... This has worked well for us, we can even move them as needed. Now if I could just keep the dogs from picking the green tomato's before they ripen. Hot wire. Use insulated metal buckets and attach hot wire to bucket. Bare feet on the ground will complete the circuit when the bucket or plant is touched. No Joe, you can't just run a 220 line out to the bucket. -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: I grow my veggies in large buckets about 2' in diameter and 2' tall that are in a mulched area, I spray the mulch monthly with weed killer, but the plants are isolated from the ground by the buckets... This has worked well for us, we can even move them as needed. Now if I could just keep the dogs from picking the green tomato's before they ripen. Hot wire. Use insulated metal buckets and attach hot wire to bucket. Bare feet on the ground will complete the circuit when the bucket or plant is touched. No Joe, you can't just run a 220 line out to the bucket. lol I'd just run an insulated single wire around the plants. ;-) Setting up a hot wire is actually pretty inexpensive. They have kits at many farm stores. Tractor Supply for one. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote: Use insulated metal buckets and attach hot wire to bucket. Bare feet on the ground will complete the circuit when the bucket or plant is touched. No Joe, you can't just run a 220 line out to the bucket. lol I'd just run an insulated single wire around the plants. ;-) Setting up a hot wire is actually pretty inexpensive. They have kits at many farm stores. Tractor Supply for one. -- I guessed I was thinkin' that Joe would just scrape the insulation off of one end of an extension cord and attach that to the bucket but the amperage would fry the plant as well. Still, I can hear the wheels spinning in Joe's mind, so let me remind him, if a neighbor's kid should touch it, he would have a dead plant an a mountain of paperwork to fill out, not to mention cutting checks to his lawyer. That should keep in in line for a little while. -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: Use insulated metal buckets and attach hot wire to bucket. Bare feet on the ground will complete the circuit when the bucket or plant is touched. No Joe, you can't just run a 220 line out to the bucket. lol I'd just run an insulated single wire around the plants. ;-) Setting up a hot wire is actually pretty inexpensive. They have kits at many farm stores. Tractor Supply for one. -- I guessed I was thinkin' that Joe would just scrape the insulation off of one end of an extension cord and attach that to the bucket but the amperage would fry the plant as well. Still, I can hear the wheels spinning in Joe's mind, so let me remind him, if a neighbor's kid should touch it, he would have a dead plant an a mountain of paperwork to fill out, not to mention cutting checks to his lawyer. That should keep in in line for a little while. Good fences make good neighbors... -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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["Followup-To:" header set to rec.gardens.]
(breathes). Killed grass around with roundup (had bermuda reaching into garden). Covered all plants with plastic bags first. Covering individual plants doesn't prevent the defolient from penetrating the soil. Every time you water or it rains the round up 1) Glyphosate is not a defoliant. 2) Glyphosate is inactivated by binding with soil particles, particularly clays and organics. Read the section on "environmental fate" http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dieno chlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html OR http://tinyurl.com/yvu7sp Plants accidentally sprayed with glyphosate can be salvaged if you dump muddy water on them immediately. IMO, glyphosate is unlikely to be the cause of the issues here. I still want to know soil pH, how far down the water is getting into the soil, and temperatures. Much more likely candidates. Kay |
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says... In article , Leythos wrote: In article om, says... Roundup is systemic, it's primarilly applied to foilage but once in the soil it is taken up by plant roots as well. These kind of defolients need to be applied very carefully, it's real easy to have over-spray of 50, 100 feet, and more. Even when the treated plants die the defoliant is still in the dead plant and will remain potent long after the plant is composted and its dust blows wherever. I used to use roundup on my gravel driveway and around building foundations, but no more, it also poisons the animals that eat the vegetation, the insects, and even walk there. I'd rather live with some weeds... those that encroach on my gardens I pull up by hand, use mulch, and cultivate... I grow my veggies in large buckets about 2' in diameter and 2' tall that are in a mulched area, I spray the mulch monthly with weed killer, but the plants are isolated from the ground by the buckets... This has worked well for us, we can even move them as needed. Now if I could just keep the dogs from picking the green tomato's before they ripen. Hot wire. I don't have AC power down there at this time, but it's an option. I was using 3' high chicken wire, but they jump over it right now. -- Leythos - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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Leythos expounded:
I spray the mulch monthly with weed killer I'd just stir the mulch with a scuffle hoe or something. Works just as well and won't poison me. -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
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