I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

Billy wrote:
I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.

With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

In article
,
Sheldon wrote:

Billy wrote:
I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.

With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

So the burning question is, can I trust the opinion of an apparent
anti-Christian sick f**ks like Shelly or Shirley (a.k.a. Shirwindu) Doo
( The Doo Brothers)?

Previously:
From: Sheldon
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: I would like some feedback..
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
Christian wrote:
I own a business "Professional Pond Maintenance and Fish Care".

That's your first untruth... you *operate* a business.... you don't own
a business until your IRS return doesn't show you're operating at a loss.

I'm wanting to get any and all feedback, positive or negative,
on a website I designed recently to go with it. I advertise locally
and direct folks to my site for more information.

Here is the link:http://allyoudoisfeedthefish.net/index.html

Thank You,
Christian

Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the
arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your
name.

---------

Christian asked, very nicely, for an opinion and you gave him attitude.
It seems that it was his name that set you off. So I might be all wet
here Shelly, maybe there is a perfectly logical reason why you
denigrated Christian's name. Can you explain your seeming knuckle
dragging attitude? Even an explanation from Shirwin, who supports your
position would be most gratifying.

In the meantime, maybe I should start a Christian support group to
combat Evil Doo'ers.

--
Bush Behind Bars

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

Hey, is some of this content being reposted periodically by you Billy? I
kind of recall seeing it on three occasions. I've missed the reason. Can
you bring me up to date?

-paghat the ratgirl


In article ,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Sheldon wrote:

Billy wrote:
I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.

With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

So the burning question is, can I trust the opinion of an apparent
anti-Christian sick f**ks like Shelly or Shirley (a.k.a. Shirwindu) Doo
( The Doo Brothers)?

Previously:
From: Sheldon
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: I would like some feedback..
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
Christian wrote:
I own a business "Professional Pond Maintenance and Fish Care".

That's your first untruth... you *operate* a business.... you don't own
a business until your IRS return doesn't show you're operating at a loss.

I'm wanting to get any and all feedback, positive or negative,
on a website I designed recently to go with it. I advertise locally
and direct folks to my site for more information.

Here is the link:http://allyoudoisfeedthefish.net/index.html

Thank You,
Christian

Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the
arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your
name.

---------

Christian asked, very nicely, for an opinion and you gave him attitude.
It seems that it was his name that set you off. So I might be all wet
here Shelly, maybe there is a perfectly logical reason why you
denigrated Christian's name. Can you explain your seeming knuckle
dragging attitude? Even an explanation from Shirwin, who supports your
position would be most gratifying.

In the meantime, maybe I should start a Christian support group to
combat Evil Doo'ers.

--
Bush Behind Bars

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

I've ask (erroneously) Sherwin Doo to explain himself, when, actually,
it was Sheldon being the bigot du jour. I have no problem with criticism
when it has basis in fact but mindless invective and ad homenim attacts
are a waste of everyone's time. I can get rude as well but it will be
when cavalier behavior isn't explained. Live by the invective, die by
the invective.

In this particular case a poster, for whatever reason, asked for
feedback and Sheldon, not happy to just attack an individual, managed to
denigrated an entire religion. I'm not a member of any organized
religion, although I do have deep respect for Martin Luther King Jr. and
the priests and nuns who worked and died for equality for the indigenous
people of Central American. Being a poster in this group, if I didn't
complain and make my irritation with Sheldon's bigotry plain, would be
to tacitly approve his maliciousness.

As far as Doo is concerned, he applauds the IDF's killing of Rachel
Corrie. Making him uncomfortable is small recompense for the pain that
his martial mentality has bequeathed to the world.

So, yeah, instead of putting words into their mouths, I will simply let
them speak for themselves and repost their own words.

And that is where I am to date.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

Sheldon wrote:
Billy wrote:

I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.


With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

I'm guessing he's wanting the leaves for herbal stuff, but it's the
berries and the flowers that are used primarily for heart issues.

Don't know about keeping them shrubs, but I'm planning on trying it.

Kate

In article
,
Billy wrote:


I've ask (erroneously) Sherwin Doo to explain himself, when, actually,
it was Sheldon being the bigot du jour. I have no problem with criticism
when it has basis in fact but mindless invective and ad homenim attacts
are a waste of everyone's time. I can get rude as well but it will be
when cavalier behavior isn't explained. Live by the invective, die by
the invective.

In this particular case a poster, for whatever reason, asked for
feedback and Sheldon, not happy to just attack an individual, managed to
denigrated an entire religion. I'm not a member of any organized
religion, although I do have deep respect for Martin Luther King Jr. and
the priests and nuns who worked and died for equality for the indigenous
people of Central American. Being a poster in this group, if I didn't
complain and make my irritation with Sheldon's bigotry plain, would be
to tacitly approve his maliciousness.

As far as Doo is concerned, he applauds the IDF's killing of Rachel
Corrie. Making him uncomfortable is small recompense for the pain that
his martial mentality has bequeathed to the world.

So, yeah, instead of putting words into their mouths, I will simply let
them speak for themselves and repost their own words.

And that is where I am to date.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't deduce that in that one post at
all, but then I saw none of the other posts you allude to so will take you
at your word that you had a different background-knowledge of earlier
statements. I don't think reposting the bit about changing one's name if
it is Christian quite makes the point; that's a minor crudity. I don't
read ALL the posts in here and so far have only seen sherwin be
interesting or reasonable. Everyone has hydra heads on usenet though, not
all of 'em seen by me, so maybe he's the **** you suggest, & it's only a
matter of time before I see it, but at the moment, don't see it.

I can certainly understand someone taking issue with anyone unthinkingly
worshipful of Rachel Corrie however, especially if they add to their
worship the fool notion that Jews just up and murdered her when she
decided to jump in front of an enormous moving vehicle.

Since she lived near me before she started burning American flags in Gaza
while chanting anti-Israel and anti-American slogans, she gets quite a lot
of discussion around here. I like the discussion that speaks of Rachel
Thaler, killed by Palestinians at age 16 while eating pizza in a shopping
mall; or Rachel Levy, killed by Palestinians at age 17 while shopping in a
grocery store; Rachel Levi killed by Palestinians while waiting for a bus;
Rachel Gavish killed by Palestinians in her home with her entire family
during Passover; or Rachel Shabo mlurdered by Palestinians in her home
with her three young sons.

The list of dead Rachels is quite long. But all these Rachels were Jews,
unlike Rachel Corrie, so they're of no concern to the types for whom the
worst possible Rachel death is when the given Rachel ain't an effing Jew.

Even nutters shouldn't have to die young, but to blame Jews for her bad
choices to serve admitted, proud, avowed terrorists is certainly a
perspective worthy of criticism. Disliking a would-be defender of Hamas
whose stated goal is the complete eradication of Israel is only
reasonable. The pictures of her a few weeks before she died, not a shield
for the innocent but a promoter of Hamas and the second Intifada.

In the purely antisemitic Cult of Corrie it's important to portray her,
absolutely falsely, as a peaceful protestor helping the downtrodden. They
like to reproduce her school portrait on their Israel Should Die rallies,
but here's the photo of Rachel Corrie screaming hate slogans at a Hamas
rally, face twisted into a mask of hate as she screams accusations against
America and Israel that would've put her in like flint even with the
Taliban:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com/images...with-Hamas.jpg

Ninety gun-running tunnels were destroyed by Israel's rush into that area
where she stands. Corrie and her friends kwew this if they weren't deaf,
dumb, and blind. They bragged about who they stayed with, and this
included houses where terrorists were coming and going with weapons
through the basements. So these British and American naifs were defending
gun-running tunnels & terrorists. It's probable they even helped transport
weapons and and ammunition, since it would've been impolite to accept
these people's food during a hungry time, sit with their children, shout
their hate-slogans in heated comraderie, & yet refuse the heavy lifting.

Disagree with Hamas, get shot or carted away to oblivion. Disagree with
Israel, get international attention. It's always easiest to attack America
and Israel exclusively, while ignoring all injustices from the truly
scary. And so Corrie derides her own country while standing amidst
terrorists who know they've got one helluva political chip to play.

Until her suicidal jump she was not significant enough to be much quoted
or published, so screaming anti-Israeli slogans with Hamas is as close as
we can get to her personal voice. In the little interview footage from her
time as an pro-Hamas activist, she for poliltical advantage refuses to
acknowledge that Hamas was her host, then speaks of those hosts as just
wanting to have "fun with their children," and likens the removal of
buildings used by Hamas snipers to shoot Jews or to cover entrances to gun
tunnels as Jews "destroying of ordinary citizens" ability to make a
living, and at length alleges that Jews "do not care about people." She
has a sweet face & an even manner (when not screaming slogans under a
burning flag) but her words are infused with inflammatory hate.

If I'd been in her place I'd've been saying that two wrongs don't make a
right, and if Hamas blows up a cafe or pizzaria in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem
specifically to kill civillian Jews, that doesn't make it right to knock
down dozens of buildings in Rafah. For her, there was only one villain, a
gigantic imaginary Jew Golem, and she's certainly not worthy of the
international admiration over her ability to make a dumb move that took
about five seconds and predictably got her killed.

I've a theory how her obviouisly undeserved lionization came about. 220
Moslems died during the second Intifada, but only one American Christian.
Some few of the dead Moslems were genuinely innocent, and even though they
were not intentionally targetted as Hamas intentionally targets civillian
Jews, nevertheless it was a great injustice, and some of those dead
Moslems must've been decent people worthy of world-wide mourning & regret.
Didn't happen. Instead Europe & America picked Corrie out of the grave to
re-animate as a fraud heroine, despite 220 other choices for the season.

It's because the world doesn't care all THAT much about Palestinians
anymore than they care about a bunch of ****ing Yids killed eating pizza
in Tel Aviv. Get yourself an American Christian and never mind she was
dumb as fudge, at least she wasn't a sandmonkey or a hymie yid, so she
gets lifted up to sainthood and non one else even footnoted. Good people
SHOULD be peevish about that, as some correctly a

"Rachel Corrie chose to side with a society that breeds some of the
cruelest murderers of innocent people in the world. Rachel Corrie gave her
life trying to protect people whose declared aim is to annihilate another
country. In the name of saving children's lives, Rachel Corrie chose to
defend a society that teaches its young children to blow themselves up and
which deliberately targets children for death. And Rachel Corrie went to
America's enemies to burn her country's flag.
"We are told repeatedly that Rachel was idealistic * as if that
matters. Virtually every person who commits great evil * the Nazi, the
communist, the Islamic terrorist * is idealistic. Idealism is morally
neutral. It is good only when directed to good ends. But in young people,
idealism is at least as likely to lead to bad as to good because few young
people are wise * and idealism without wisdom is very dangerous.
"The world is filled with evil, and young idealists like Rachel Corrie
don't like it. Which is lovely. But they don't confront real evil because
they know they will get hurt. That's one reason there are no "peace
activists" or "human shields" confronting Islamic terror, North Korean
totalitarianism, or Chinese Communist despotism. They focus their
animosity at the countries that confront these evils * the United States
and Israel." [Dennis Prager, author of Why The Jews?: The Reason for
Antisemitism]

Anyway, I hope you'll dig deeper, both in your misplaced admiration for a
phony martyr, & for your conviction that you've found antichrstian
sentiment from Sherman. If he's like that, you should quote that vile
attitude where it really shows, not where it has to be highly intepretted
from the non-evidence of a single word directed at a spammer.

-paghat the ratyid
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

In article , kate
wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
Billy wrote:

I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.


With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

I'm guessing he's wanting the leaves for herbal stuff, but it's the
berries and the flowers that are used primarily for heart issues.

Don't know about keeping them shrubs, but I'm planning on trying it.

Kate

The leaves are included in alternate remedy food supplements even though
having no potency because it's more expensive to process the fruit into an
herbal product, even though it's the fruit that has the main chemical
ingredients thought maybe to assist in heart disease -- pharmaceutical
grade extract of the FRUIT, not the leaves, is not entirely ruled out for
some extremely slight benefit may exist for cardiovascular disease IF it
is used in conjunction with and supplementary to conventional treatment.
There's also a recurring belief that as an herb it somehow benefits
diabetes, but doubleblind studies have ruled that one out for sure.
However, the leaves are a tobacco substitute.

What is bought in the healthfood stores is usually derived from the
cheapest hawthorn source, C. ambigua. Since a tincture should derive from
C. oxyacantha to have any chacne of possessing the suspected benefit,
you'd either have to get it from a German phramaceutical source with
doctor prescription, or make the tincture yourself from the requisit
species.

For antioxidant content, hawthorne berries rank right up there with
blueberries for just generally healthful content. If harvested after
autumn's first freeze they're almost as sweet as apples, grainy and seedy
but no longer bitter (they can be harvested before first freeze then
frozen off in the freezer which has the same sweetening effect; waiting
for after first freeze can mean competing with birds and squirrels who
take a late-in-the-year liking to them). They can be steamed & sieved for
the pulp to make wonderful jams or jellies or syrup. Too much seed to eat
them as fresh fruit though they don't taste bad even raw.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

In article ,
kate wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
Billy wrote:

I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.


With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

I'm guessing he's wanting the leaves for herbal stuff, but it's the
berries and the flowers that are used primarily for heart issues.

Don't know about keeping them shrubs, but I'm planning on trying it.

Kate

Thanks for responding. What is your citation on the preference for
berries and flowers?
http://www.holistic-online.com/Herba..._Herbs/h22.htm
makes no distinction between flowers, leaves, fruits.
According to
http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/...igata&CAN=LATI
ND the plant can be turned into a hedge.

Any idea about how fast it grows?

Don't mind the previous poster, he is a nut case from rec.gardens that
ran a poster down because his name was Christian.

i.e.
I'm wanting to get any and all feedback, positive or negative,
on a website I designed recently to go with it. I advertise locally
and direct folks to my site for more information.

Here is the link:http://allyoudoisfeedthefish.net/index.html

What do you think of the basic design?
Can you read it easily?
Ads or no ads?

I'm thinking people here are close to my target audience, being that
garden lovers usually like ponds even if they don't personally have
one.

Thank You,
Christian

Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the
arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your
name.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:


I've ask (erroneously) Sherwin Doo to explain himself, when, actually,
it was Sheldon being the bigot du jour. I have no problem with criticism
when it has basis in fact but mindless invective and ad homenim attacts
are a waste of everyone's time. I can get rude as well but it will be
when cavalier behavior isn't explained. Live by the invective, die by
the invective.

In this particular case a poster, for whatever reason, asked for
feedback and Sheldon, not happy to just attack an individual, managed to
denigrated an entire religion. I'm not a member of any organized
religion, although I do have deep respect for Martin Luther King Jr. and
the priests and nuns who worked and died for equality for the indigenous
people of Central American. Being a poster in this group, if I didn't
complain and make my irritation with Sheldon's bigotry plain, would be
to tacitly approve his maliciousness.

As far as Doo is concerned, he applauds the IDF's killing of Rachel
Corrie. Making him uncomfortable is small recompense for the pain that
his martial mentality has bequeathed to the world.

So, yeah, instead of putting words into their mouths, I will simply let
them speak for themselves and repost their own words.

And that is where I am to date.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't deduce that in that one post at
all, but then I saw none of the other posts you allude to so will take you
at your word that you had a different background-knowledge of earlier
statements. I don't think reposting the bit about changing one's name if
it is Christian quite makes the point; that's a minor crudity. I don't
read ALL the posts in here and so far have only seen sherwin be
interesting or reasonable. Everyone has hydra heads on usenet though, not
all of 'em seen by me, so maybe he's the **** you suggest, & it's only a
matter of time before I see it, but at the moment, don't see it.

I can certainly understand someone taking issue with anyone unthinkingly
worshipful of Rachel Corrie however, especially if they add to their
worship the fool notion that Jews just up and murdered her when she
decided to jump in front of an enormous moving vehicle.

Since she lived near me before she started burning American flags in Gaza
while chanting anti-Israel and anti-American slogans, she gets quite a lot
of discussion around here. I like the discussion that speaks of Rachel
Thaler, killed by Palestinians at age 16 while eating pizza in a shopping
mall; or Rachel Levy, killed by Palestinians at age 17 while shopping in a
grocery store; Rachel Levi killed by Palestinians while waiting for a bus;
Rachel Gavish killed by Palestinians in her home with her entire family
during Passover; or Rachel Shabo mlurdered by Palestinians in her home
with her three young sons.

The list of dead Rachels is quite long. But all these Rachels were Jews,
unlike Rachel Corrie, so they're of no concern to the types for whom the
worst possible Rachel death is when the given Rachel ain't an effing Jew.

Even nutters shouldn't have to die young, but to blame Jews for her bad
choices to serve admitted, proud, avowed terrorists is certainly a
perspective worthy of criticism. Disliking a would-be defender of Hamas
whose stated goal is the complete eradication of Israel is only
reasonable. The pictures of her a few weeks before she died, not a shield
for the innocent but a promoter of Hamas and the second Intifada.

In the purely antisemitic Cult of Corrie it's important to portray her,
absolutely falsely, as a peaceful protestor helping the downtrodden. They
like to reproduce her school portrait on their Israel Should Die rallies,
but here's the photo of Rachel Corrie screaming hate slogans at a Hamas
rally, face twisted into a mask of hate as she screams accusations against
America and Israel that would've put her in like flint even with the
Taliban:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com/images...with-Hamas.jpg

Ninety gun-running tunnels were destroyed by Israel's rush into that area
where she stands. Corrie and her friends kwew this if they weren't deaf,
dumb, and blind. They bragged about who they stayed with, and this
included houses where terrorists were coming and going with weapons
through the basements. So these British and American naifs were defending
gun-running tunnels & terrorists. It's probable they even helped transport
weapons and and ammunition, since it would've been impolite to accept
these people's food during a hungry time, sit with their children, shout
their hate-slogans in heated comraderie, & yet refuse the heavy lifting.

Disagree with Hamas, get shot or carted away to oblivion. Disagree with
Israel, get international attention. It's always easiest to attack America
and Israel exclusively, while ignoring all injustices from the truly
scary. And so Corrie derides her own country while standing amidst
terrorists who know they've got one helluva political chip to play.

Until her suicidal jump she was not significant enough to be much quoted
or published, so screaming anti-Israeli slogans with Hamas is as close as
we can get to her personal voice. In the little interview footage from her
time as an pro-Hamas activist, she for poliltical advantage refuses to
acknowledge that Hamas was her host, then speaks of those hosts as just
wanting to have "fun with their children," and likens the removal of
buildings used by Hamas snipers to shoot Jews or to cover entrances to gun
tunnels as Jews "destroying of ordinary citizens" ability to make a
living, and at length alleges that Jews "do not care about people." She
has a sweet face & an even manner (when not screaming slogans under a
burning flag) but her words are infused with inflammatory hate.

If I'd been in her place I'd've been saying that two wrongs don't make a
right, and if Hamas blows up a cafe or pizzaria in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem
specifically to kill civillian Jews, that doesn't make it right to knock
down dozens of buildings in Rafah. For her, there was only one villain, a
gigantic imaginary Jew Golem, and she's certainly not worthy of the
international admiration over her ability to make a dumb move that took
about five seconds and predictably got her killed.

I've a theory how her obviouisly undeserved lionization came about. 220
Moslems died during the second Intifada, but only one American Christian.
Some few of the dead Moslems were genuinely innocent, and even though they
were not intentionally targetted as Hamas intentionally targets civillian
Jews, nevertheless it was a great injustice, and some of those dead
Moslems must've been decent people worthy of world-wide mourning & regret.
Didn't happen. Instead Europe & America picked Corrie out of the grave to
re-animate as a fraud heroine, despite 220 other choices for the season.

It's because the world doesn't care all THAT much about Palestinians
anymore than they care about a bunch of ****ing Yids killed eating pizza
in Tel Aviv. Get yourself an American Christian and never mind she was
dumb as fudge, at least she wasn't a sandmonkey or a hymie yid, so she
gets lifted up to sainthood and non one else even footnoted. Good people
SHOULD be peevish about that, as some correctly a

"Rachel Corrie chose to side with a society that breeds some of the
cruelest murderers of innocent people in the world. Rachel Corrie gave her
life trying to protect people whose declared aim is to annihilate another
country. In the name of saving children's lives, Rachel Corrie chose to
defend a society that teaches its young children to blow themselves up and
which deliberately targets children for death. And Rachel Corrie went to
America's enemies to burn her country's flag.
"We are told repeatedly that Rachel was idealistic * as if that
matters. Virtually every person who commits great evil * the Nazi, the
communist, the Islamic terrorist * is idealistic. Idealism is morally
neutral. It is good only when directed to good ends. But in young people,
idealism is at least as likely to lead to bad as to good because few young
people are wise * and idealism without wisdom is very dangerous.
"The world is filled with evil, and young idealists like Rachel Corrie
don't like it. Which is lovely. But they don't confront real evil because
they know they will get hurt. That's one reason there are no "peace
activists" or "human shields" confronting Islamic terror, North Korean
totalitarianism, or Chinese Communist despotism. They focus their
animosity at the countries that confront these evils * the United States
and Israel." [Dennis Prager, author of Why The Jews?: The Reason for
Antisemitism]

Anyway, I hope you'll dig deeper, both in your misplaced admiration for a
phony martyr, & for your conviction that you've found antichrstian
sentiment from Sherman. If he's like that, you should quote that vile
attitude where it really shows, not where it has to be highly intepretted
from the non-evidence of a single word directed at a spammer.

-paghat the ratyid

Always nice to have a rational discussion. Think I'll go find one. You
know that if it comes down to the mindless level of body counts, the IDF
and the settlers have killed many more Palestinians. The Palestinians
are the resistance in an occupied country, and Israel is taking land by
conquest. Nice touch playing the anti-Semitic card and then wrapping
yourself in your Jewish persona. Problem is I have nothing against Jews
or Christians but I don't support Zionists or the KKK. See you in the
funny papers
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

In article , kate
wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
Billy wrote:

I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.


With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

I'm guessing he's wanting the leaves for herbal stuff, but it's the
berries and the flowers that are used primarily for heart issues.

Don't know about keeping them shrubs, but I'm planning on trying it.

Kate

The leaves are included in alternate remedy food supplements even though
having no potency because it's more expensive to process the fruit into an
herbal product, even though it's the fruit that has the main chemical
ingredients thought maybe to assist in heart disease -- pharmaceutical
grade extract of the FRUIT, not the leaves, is not entirely ruled out for
some extremely slight benefit may exist for cardiovascular disease IF it
is used in conjunction with and supplementary to conventional treatment.
There's also a recurring belief that as an herb it somehow benefits
diabetes, but doubleblind studies have ruled that one out for sure.
However, the leaves are a tobacco substitute.

What is bought in the healthfood stores is usually derived from the
cheapest hawthorn source, C. ambigua. Since a tincture should derive from
C. oxyacantha to have any chacne of possessing the suspected benefit,
you'd either have to get it from a German phramaceutical source with
doctor prescription, or make the tincture yourself from the requisit
species.

For antioxidant content, hawthorne berries rank right up there with
blueberries for just generally healthful content. If harvested after
autumn's first freeze they're almost as sweet as apples, grainy and seedy
but no longer bitter (they can be harvested before first freeze then
frozen off in the freezer which has the same sweetening effect; waiting
for after first freeze can mean competing with birds and squirrels who
take a late-in-the-year liking to them). They can be steamed & sieved for
the pulp to make wonderful jams or jellies or syrup. Too much seed to eat
them as fresh fruit though they don't taste bad even raw.

-paghat the ratgirl

When I want a "tweaker's" opinion, I'll let you know.
--

Billy

The Death of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

Always nice to have a rational discussion. Think I'll go find one. You
know that if it comes down to the mindless level of body counts, the IDF
and the settlers have killed many more Palestinians. The Palestinians
are the resistance in an occupied country, and Israel is taking land by
conquest. Nice touch playing the anti-Semitic card and then wrapping
yourself in your Jewish persona. Problem is I have nothing against Jews
or Christians but I don't support Zionists or the KKK. See you in the
funny papers

Ah! Now I see. The mere existence of Israel -- i.e., Zionism -- is to you
the equivalent of the Klan, and actual methods of achieving peace have no
more value to you than to Hamas, an avowed terrorist organization
targetting children non-combatants foremost.

Zionism was initially a Jewish nationalist movement to establish a
homeland in order to escape growing antisemitism in Europe, which did lead
to the Holocaust; the movement lasted from 1800 until 1945 when finally
achieved. Today's "zionism" is merely the attitude that Israel has a right
to exist. And, in fact, it does have that right, same as any other nation.

But to you it's just a "coincidence" that Zionists are Jews, Israel should
cease to exist has nada to do with antisemitism. Really it's just the
worst possible cover for an antisemitic. And now I see where your'e coming
from & why it didn't make sense your inventing stuff against Sherman. I
didn't understand your starting point for all thinking, that Israel has no
right exist.

And to you Palestian terrorists intentionall targetting Jewish children is
"resistance" But a Jew firing in self defense at a sniper hiding behind
Palestinian children -- that Jew is pure evil. You'd like Ramzy Baroud
then; he too believes killing Jewish children is a good thing, and
Palestinians causing the death of their own children using them as
shields, as suicide bombers, or as propoganda chips, is also a good thing.

The day Palestine accepts the existence of Israel and elect a government
without the primary goal fo the complete extermination of Israel, that's
the day peace between two countries begins, and lasts. Alas, when Israel
stops fighting uniltarily, as she has done at intervals, Hamas or previous
terrorist organizations only use the calm to re-arm and start bombing
Israeli cities again. They don't want peace & until they do want it there
won't be any. Israel most certainly does want peace, but will never agree
to to their own extermination.

The Jewish state has as much a right to exist as Palestine, & Israel gave
up a considerable territory so the Palestinians could have a state, in
cooperation with Jordan which likewise provided territory -- then put up
fences bigger than Israel's to keep dangerous terrorists at bay. It isn't
right for settlers to impinge on that territory but for so long as the
border is used by Hamas as their zone for launching missles into Israel,
Israel will rightly and necessarily do whatever is feasible to lessen that
ongoing threat.

Palestinians' fate has long been in their own hands -- but they dance in
the streets with joyi over the success of 9/11, and they continuie to
train their children to be bombers of innnocent civillians because from
their point of view all Jews must die. That they're not yet well enough
armed to succeed is a GOOD thing, though Hamas's tactic of putting
children in fire zones is not so good.

-paggers
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

In article , kate
wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
Billy wrote:

I have a hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacantha a.k.a. Crataegus laevigata). It
is only 18" high. I want advice on shrubing it out (I don't want a tree)
and on methods to optimize the harvesting of its' leaves.


With an 18" hawhorne if you're over 40 years old you probably don't
need to worry about harvesting many leaves. And besides, hawthorne
leaves are small and light, even from a mature 20" tall tree you won't
collect more than a bushel, more like a quart. I have a 20'
hawthorne, its leaves shrivel on the tree and drop slowly over many
weeks, they blow away before many accumulate. But with a 18" seedling
you really don't need to concern yourself until it reaches about 8'...
at least another 15 years.

I'm guessing he's wanting the leaves for herbal stuff, but it's the
berries and the flowers that are used primarily for heart issues.

Don't know about keeping them shrubs, but I'm planning on trying it.

Kate

The leaves are included in alternate remedy food supplements even though
having no potency because it's more expensive to process the fruit into an
herbal product, even though it's the fruit that has the main chemical
ingredients thought maybe to assist in heart disease -- pharmaceutical
grade extract of the FRUIT, not the leaves, is not entirely ruled out for
some extremely slight benefit may exist for cardiovascular disease IF it
is used in conjunction with and supplementary to conventional treatment.
There's also a recurring belief that as an herb it somehow benefits
diabetes, but doubleblind studies have ruled that one out for sure.
However, the leaves are a tobacco substitute.

What is bought in the healthfood stores is usually derived from the
cheapest hawthorn source, C. ambigua. Since a tincture should derive from
C. oxyacantha to have any chacne of possessing the suspected benefit,
you'd either have to get it from a German phramaceutical source with
doctor prescription, or make the tincture yourself from the requisit
species.

For antioxidant content, hawthorne berries rank right up there with
blueberries for just generally healthful content. If harvested after
autumn's first freeze they're almost as sweet as apples, grainy and seedy
but no longer bitter (they can be harvested before first freeze then
frozen off in the freezer which has the same sweetening effect; waiting
for after first freeze can mean competing with birds and squirrels who
take a late-in-the-year liking to them). They can be steamed & sieved for
the pulp to make wonderful jams or jellies or syrup. Too much seed to eat
them as fresh fruit though they don't taste bad even raw.

-paghat the ratgirl

When I want a "tweaker's" opinion, I'll let you know.

I was talking to Kate, not you, kurva muterort.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:06:30 -0700,
(paghat) blathered and blustered and trolled yet again:

Snip of drek of meshugeneh

I was talking to Kate, not you, kurva muterort.

Look who talks, yenteh.

Gai tren zich, prietzteh!

I didn't know that Italian Biera was that good;-) grrrr
--

Billy

The Death of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:41:47 -0700, Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:06:30 -0700,
(paghat) blathered and blustered and trolled yet again:

Snip of drek of meshugeneh

I was talking to Kate, not you, kurva muterort.

Look who talks, yenteh.

Gai tren zich, prietzteh!

I didn't know that Italian Biera was that good;-) grrrr


Si deve essere cauti. Forte birra. Triste che ci sono solo sei, ma
questo è una buona cosa.

Il tuo amico e fratello, grrrr ;-)
Charlie


"Gli uomini sono così semplici e così tanto incline a obbedire bisogni
immediati di un truffatore che non sarà mai per la sua mancanza vittime
inganni." ~Machiavelli

I don't think the "rat" is long for our group given her charm offensive
(emphasis on offensive) and all the burned bridges.
--

Billy

The Death of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:26:54 -0700, Billy wrote:


Always nice to have a rational discussion. Think I'll go find one. You
know that if it comes down to the mindless level of body counts, the IDF
and the settlers have killed many more Palestinians. The Palestinians
are the resistance in an occupied country, and Israel is taking land by
conquest. Nice touch playing the anti-Semitic card and then wrapping
yourself in your Jewish persona. Problem is I have nothing against Jews
or Christians but I don't support Zionists or the KKK. See you in the
funny papers


http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/14/8285/

Thanks for the citation, Charlie. Bradley Burston a Senior Editor of
Haaretz.com. Still no word on the "right of return". All problems
will disappear after the "right of return" is assured.
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml