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"Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message ... We only had a 50' long piece that my husband said he bought two years ago and just now got around to trying. He said it was reasonable but does not recall the price. The product is reusable unless it gets torn up by hail or deer I guess. He asked me to order more for the fall so I've just started looking at prices. Johnny's has Agribon in different weights (sorry I misspelled it in my other post). The lightweight insect barrier is 118" x 250' for $51. It looks like lightweight non-woven interfacing for sewing. It lets in the light and the rain, though the heavier stuff for cold weather does block more light. No doubt others have it too and there are other brands. I don't think anything can guarantee that you'll never see a bad pest like the SVB again but, for us, we finally have a really nice crop without extraordinary effort. The pests may eventually find them, who knows? But I've already had a better crop by the end of July than I had in any previous entire season. And best of all, no spraying whatsoever. I did have to let out a bumblebee today that must have gone in there when I was pollinating them earlier. I told him there were plenty of other flowers for him to visit other than the squash. We use ground staples, rocks and old broken pots to hold down the fabric. And in places where I needed to join fabric pieces (his test size was not quite wide enough), I used my quilting gun that shoots tiny little plastic ties (I use those instead of safety pins for my quilts). Thank you. It's something for us to consider for next year. SVB are so bad here most of the gardeners we know gave up on summer squash long ago. Isabella -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Marie Dodge" wrote: "Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message ... In article , "Marie Dodge" wrote: OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine. The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three entire gardens. While we don't usually have this happen in the gardens, I keep some plants on my deck and they have a tendency to get whitefly when it is especially hot and dry. To forestall this, I spray the foliage every day with the hose after the late-afternoon watering, paying special attention to the undersides of the leaves. That works about 70% of the time for me. When it doesn't, I use those sticky yellow traps (like cardboard) and those catch gazillions of whiteflies and aphids. However, you need to situate them so that the birds cannot sit atop them and get stuck. I think there are pheromones for them as well. I can really identify with your squash problems. Those squash vine borers are really horrible. I can't tell you how many times my DH has had to do "surgery" on the vines in the past to save them. This year, for the first time, we put row covers over the zucchini (four different cultivars) and they are all producing and doing well. I go out early every morning and hand-pollinate the female flowers with a little brush. This is not at all difficult with squash flowers. We've never, ever had summer squash this nice before. We use the lightest weight 8 foot wide Agribond (like cloth not plastic) over a make-do lashed wood frame. We started with tensile steel hoops but the plants were much to large and vigorous for them. Our beds are 4 feet wide and we're smack dab in the middle of the country. We're going to use row covers on some fall crops as well, both to keep out pests and extend the season. Best thing since sliced bread. The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay at the store we're finding. So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues? Just no accounting for some peoples taste. And just how are you avoiding sucking down pesticide residues with the things you do buy in the store? Or do you buy nothing edible in the stores? Are you saying you filter all your water and grow every bite of food you eat? You raise your own pesticide free grain to bake your own bread? Do you raise your own livestock and how do you feed them without them sucking down pesticide residues from the commercial feeds which is transported into their meat? What are you feeding your hens for 100% pesticide free eggs and meat? Or your hogs and beef cattle? And knowing there are toxic chemicals in furniture and carpets these days... are all your furnishings wood you grew yourself to make sure it's pesticide and preservative free? If no to any of these questions then you are both absorbing toxic chemicals as well as sucking them in every day. Get off your high horse. What did these row covers cost you if I may be so bold? Isabella -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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"Omelet" wrote in message news In article , Billy wrote: The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay at the store we're finding. So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues? Just no accounting for some peoples taste. Hit the local Farmers Markets. Ours is every Tuesday. Not everyone has a farmer's market close by. Ours is at least 30 miles away. A 60 mi round trip and we learned that many of the so called "farmers" are nothing but people buying from the big wholesalers and re-selling it at the FMs. It's no telling where the produce originated. Also, there is no way to know what chemicals the original farmers used on the crops. -- Peace! Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein |
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"Mike" wrote in message news:LnIik.107$aA5.3@trnddc05... "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine. The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? I found Sevin liquid concentrate 1 tablespoon per quart of water in a spray bottle works OK. The spray leaves a chalky residue on the leaves that dissipates in a couple of weeks. I'm real keen now on how to identify, locate, search and destroy crop infesting parasites. For instance I found a small worn camping out in a corn silk that would eventually turn into a big ugly. The first clue was some small tender leaves that had been chewed. Sounds like corn ear worm, another very common garden pest where I live. If you beat the CEWs, the coons, crows and deer get the corn. :-) |
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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Marie Dodge" wrote: (edited) The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay at the store we're finding. So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues? Just no accounting for some peoples taste. And just how are you avoiding sucking down pesticide residues with the things you do buy in the store? Or do you buy nothing edible in the stores? Are you saying you filter all your water and grow every bite of food you eat? You raise your own pesticide free grain to bake your own bread? Do you raise your own livestock and how do you feed them without them sucking down pesticide residues from the commercial feeds which is transported into their meat? What are you feeding your hens for 100% pesticide free eggs and meat? Or your hogs and beef cattle? And knowing there are toxic chemicals in furniture and carpets these days... are all your furnishings wood you grew yourself to make sure it's pesticide and preservative free? If no to any of these questions then you are both absorbing toxic chemicals as well as sucking them in every day. Get off your high horse. Dodge, I'm sorry that you can't read English with comprehension but that is not my problem. The statement I was responding to was, The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay at the store we're finding. Rather labored English (almost German construction), I'll grant you but the results was making an equivalency between financial cost and the cost to one's personal health. I don't care if you learn the difference or not. If you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues,it is no concern of mine. As I said, there is "Just no accounting for some peoples taste". If you wish to feed your loved ones poison, there isn't much I can do about it. Whatever other twisted opinions you have of my objective statement is of no interest to me. **** off. "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." ~Rachel Carson, Silent Spring, 1962 -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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"Marie Dodge" wrote: "Omelet" wrote in message news In article , Billy wrote: The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay at the store we're finding. So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues? Just no accounting for some peoples taste. Hit the local Farmers Markets. Ours is every Tuesday. Not everyone has a farmer's market close by. Ours is at least 30 miles away. A 60 mi round trip and we learned that many of the so called "farmers" are nothing but people buying from the big wholesalers and re-selling it at the FMs. It's no telling where the produce originated. Also, there is no way to know what chemicals the original farmers used on the crops. When gas was under $2.00 per gallon, a 60 mile trip was nothing. That's no longer true. :-( It's not legal for farmers market sellers to sell commercial produce! If you know of some that are doing that, you need to report them. I can tell by the condition of the FM produce here that it's locally grown, plus I personally know some of the people. :-) I've dabbled with the concept of hydroponics to save on water costs... -- Peace! Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein |
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"Omelet" wrote in message news In article , "Marie Dodge" wrote: "Omelet" wrote in message news In article , Billy wrote: The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay at the store we're finding. So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues? Just no accounting for some peoples taste. Hit the local Farmers Markets. Ours is every Tuesday. Not everyone has a farmer's market close by. Ours is at least 30 miles away. A 60 mi round trip and we learned that many of the so called "farmers" are nothing but people buying from the big wholesalers and re-selling it at the FMs. It's no telling where the produce originated. Also, there is no way to know what chemicals the original farmers used on the crops. When gas was under $2.00 per gallon, a 60 mile trip was nothing. That's no longer true. :-( It's not legal for farmers market sellers to sell commercial produce! If you know of some that are doing that, you need to report them. It's of no use. You can't prove they bought the stuff from wholesalers. Only those claiming they're selling organic food have to show some kind of papers. And then there is no telling if what they sell came from their own organic farm or their friend's farm down the road who uses all kinds of pesticides. People will find ways to get around anything. Gas here now is running around $3.85 g. I can tell by the condition of the FM produce here that it's locally grown, plus I personally know some of the people. :-) I've dabbled with the concept of hydroponics to save on water costs... I looked into it but it's too costly. -- Peace! Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... Bullshit snip................... "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." ~Rachel Carson, Silent Spring, 1962 -- Exactly, so get off your high horse. |
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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote: "Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message ... I don't think anything can guarantee that you'll never see a bad pest like the SVB again but, for us, we finally have a really nice crop without extraordinary effort. The pests may eventually find them, who knows? But I've already had a better crop by the end of July than I had in any previous entire season. And best of all, no spraying whatsoever. I did have to let out a bumblebee today that must have gone in there when I was pollinating them earlier. I told him there were plenty of other flowers for him to visit other than the squash. We use ground staples, rocks and old broken pots to hold down the fabric. And in places where I needed to join fabric pieces (his test size was not quite wide enough), I used my quilting gun that shoots tiny little plastic ties (I use those instead of safety pins for my quilts). Thank you. It's something for us to consider for next year. SVB are so bad here most of the gardeners we know gave up on summer squash long ago. You're very welcome. I can't tell you how pleasantly surprised I was to find something that worked so well. I suspect that these types of row covers are going to be a big help to the home gardener. Isabella -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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"Marie Dodge" writes:
OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine. The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of Do you have Comfidor there? That's the chemical spray that is recommended for whitefly here in Australia. It is one of the sprays with low-toxicity residues. COMFIDOR -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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I wrote:
Do you have Comfidor there? That's the chemical spray that is recommended for whitefly here in Australia. It is one of the sprays with low-toxicity residues. COMFIDOR The spelling is actually CONFIDOR. It's a Bayer product. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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