"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...


It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.

What has that 10 yr. old article got to do with Ironite? It's not even
mentioned.


For those of you who understand English, I recommend
http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#

njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/soilprofile/sp-v16.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm
--

It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

As for the greensand, kelp and fish ferts as organic or alternatives? I'm
betting no anyone here has actually compared the arsenic and lead levels in
these various alternative products to the levels in the Ironite products
presently on the market today. If so, please show the reference with
date. If referencing a lawsuit, please show the actual outcome, not the
news release.

Gunner

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

Two years out of date? Get Real. What do yo want the last six days?

Bill

.......
Read it and weep.

This from a bush EPA. Yikes.

...............

Release of Heavy Metals from Ironite®
Ironite® is a common fertilizer made from mine tailings available at any
lawn and garden store. The presence of heavy metals in Ironite® has
resulted in its banning in Canada and lawsuits in the United States due
to the potential release of heavy metals, most notably arsenic and lead.
Bioavailable arsenic released from Ironite® is dependent on its
mineralogical form. Previous work sponsored by the producer of Ironite®
identified the arsenic bearing phase as arsenopyrite with the conclusion
that arsenic in that form does not pose an ecological threat. However, a
closer look with EXAFS has identified the arsenic phase within Ironite®
as scorodite-like. Scorodite is more soluble than arsenopyrite, in fact,
the dissolved arsenic released from scorodite can exceed the US drinking
water standard. In addition to the data collected at Argonne National
Labs in February 2005 that identified arsenate sorbed to iron oxides as
the dominant arsenic bearing phase, secondary identification techniques
are currently being used to confirm this finding such as
thermogravimetric analysis and Mössbauer spectroscopy.
Contacts:
Kirk Scheckel, 513/487-2865
Aaron Williams, 513/487-2878
Christopher Impelliteri, 513/487-2872
Thabet Tolaymat, 513/487-2860
James Ryan, 513/569-7653
(EIMS#135367)


..............

Mine waste Good radioactive waste better. Spoken goatlike.
Sheesh...

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:31:57 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:



It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

As for the greensand, kelp and fish ferts as organic or alternatives? I'm
betting no anyone here has actually compared the arsenic and lead levels
in
these various alternative products to the levels in the Ironite products
presently on the market today. If so, please show the reference with
date. If referencing a lawsuit, please show the actual outcome, not the
news release.

Gunner

There have been several citations posted here. Now, since you are
challenging them all, please provide information which says since the
brand was sold, the ingredients changed. Please prove yourself.

As for arsenic levels found in greensand; not bloody likely.

The point here is not ONLY the overuse or misuse of Ironite, it is
information which is currently informing people who garden that it is
more than just a plant and a synthetic fertilizer which will sustain
health in plants. The proof is in the pudding. Not some, but all
people I know who garden organically, not using any pesticides at all
of any nature, have virtually no insect infestations. Rather, they
have a more balanced situation where some pests are there and
tolerated until their predators are allowed to catch up. Eventually,
there are enough beneficial insects to dispel infestations.

Insects like green lacewings, ladybeetles and other insects while in
larval phase are vorascious eaters of spider mites, aphids, and most
other pest insects.

Do your own research, don't blindly believe me. But do give me proof
the brand, after being sold no longer poses a threat.
http://gotbodhicitta-wangmo.blogspot.com/
Security is not what I have, it's what I can do without,,,

Any money bets from either of you Two?

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...


It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.

What has that 10 yr. old article got to do with Ironite? It's not even
mentioned.


For those of you who understand English, I recommend
http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#

njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/soilprofile/sp-v16.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm
--

It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

snip

Citation please.

Gunner
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:31:57 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:



It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.


snip

Any money bets from either of you Two?

Don't be an Arsch. Can you confirm your statement or not?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

"Billy" wrote in message

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

Billy, both you and Jangchub stated only a few days ago that you had both
killfiled this troll.

It seems both of you are still reading her. I wonder why you'd bother?

She's a waste of your time and energy.

"gunner" wrote in message
access...

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...



Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n26835785

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....6690&highlight

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/.../Section10.asp


the SEC filings list some of the subsidiaries such as GrowTec and Lilly
Miller which also distribute Ironite today.

Jan chub, to address your retort to my statement about arsenic in greensand
as "not bloody likely". I'm afraid so.

You can believe these or not but do some actual research on some of the
other States that now also test and have these Ironite products on their
approved list:

The Ferettel Co.'s (PA) Greensand 0-0-3 was 5.8 ppm and 30 ppm of
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's (GA) product IRONITE PLUS 7-6-6 was 0.001ppm /0.7 ppm
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's 1-0-1 product was 5.5509ppm /0.1ppm arsenic/lead respectively,

ALASKA FISH FERTILIZER CO , Portland, OR ALASKA DRY PURE FISH FERTILIZER
8-5-1 W-Y was Arsenic: 9.3, Lead: 4.6 ( note this is also a sub of Central
Garden and Pet)

AGROWCHEM INC KINGSTON ONT CN KELP EXTRACT POWDER 1-0-19
Arsenic: 28.6, Lead: 1

WEST COAST MARINE BIO-PROCESSING Company, BC CN
Arsenic: 10, Lead: .02

Source: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
approved product list for sale in WA State.

Even Dr Scheckel from the EPA news brief you both keep referencing stated
he believes that they changed their formula when he sent me a copy of the
actual study to review.

Spoken goatlike.
I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

Yes, I was wondering about the killfile also

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Spoken goatlike.
I'm sorry. Am I too Gruff for you ;O)

I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

And I hope you find better games to play. If you think you know
something, give a citation.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

In article
,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

Billy, both you and Jangchub stated only a few days ago that you had both
killfiled this troll.

It seems both of you are still reading her. I wonder why you'd bother?

She's a waste of your time and energy.

Technical malfunction:O) I emphatically agree with your conclusion and
all I can say in my defense is that I didn't address myself to her (?).
Actually there seems to be several trolls in this group, using different
names but that isn't beyond the abilities of a single tweaker.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

sometime in the recent past Jangchub posted this:
These articles not only don't say anything, one of them says the
company's listing on the NASDAQ is in question pending an earlier
claim made by an employee.

All the otherr claims below are also not accurate. Arsenic does not
come in one form. I think I'll avoid Ironite. Do as you wish, but
you have not furnished any information which disputes that Ironite has
the same class of arsenic as that of naturally occuring in greensand.
You are mixing yourself up. Unwind and take a breath. Do as you
wish. I couldn't care less.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:13:27 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:

Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n26835785

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....6690&highlight

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/.../Section10.asp


the SEC filings list some of the subsidiaries such as GrowTec and Lilly
Miller which also distribute Ironite today.

Jan chub, to address your retort to my statement about arsenic in greensand
as "not bloody likely". I'm afraid so.

You can believe these or not but do some actual research on some of the
other States that now also test and have these Ironite products on their
approved list:

The Ferettel Co.'s (PA) Greensand 0-0-3 was 5.8 ppm and 30 ppm of
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's (GA) product IRONITE PLUS 7-6-6 was 0.001ppm /0.7 ppm
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's 1-0-1 product was 5.5509ppm /0.1ppm arsenic/lead respectively,

ALASKA FISH FERTILIZER CO , Portland, OR ALASKA DRY PURE FISH FERTILIZER
8-5-1 W-Y was Arsenic: 9.3, Lead: 4.6 ( note this is also a sub of Central
Garden and Pet)

AGROWCHEM INC KINGSTON ONT CN KELP EXTRACT POWDER 1-0-19
Arsenic: 28.6, Lead: 1

WEST COAST MARINE BIO-PROCESSING Company, BC CN
Arsenic: 10, Lead: .02

Source: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
approved product list for sale in WA State.

Even Dr Scheckel from the EPA news brief you both keep referencing stated
he believes that they changed their formula when he sent me a copy of the
actual study to review.

Spoken goatlike.
I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

Yes, I was wondering about the killfile also


http://gotbodhicitta-wangmo.blogspot.com/
Security is not what I have, it's what I can do without,,,
And if you have acquired a product line from a company that went out of
business because of the dangers found in that product, wouldn't good
business dictate that they would at least change the name? They must have
sold a ton before they went out of business to acquire such a loyal following.

I'll never forget my father-in-law up in his blueberry fields with his
portable oxygen tank dying with lung cancer spraying Roundup on the weeds.
Or my neighbor who also died of lung cancer standing there telling me, while
smoking a cigar, of all the things he did that the 'left' called unhealthy
and that hadn't harmed him. Then a quizzically look came over his face and
he said, 'Well, I guess they did.'

Anecdotal or not, some people will never take anything as evidence of health
risks. It's downright un-American to not buy and use anything they damn well
want to. To them I say go for it, win the Darwin award, but stop poisoning
the rest of the world while you're at it.

You can lead an ass to water, but you can't hold it's head under 'til the
bubbles stop.

Dead thread, my 2 cents - Elvis has left the building.


--
Wilson N44º39" W67º12"

--
Wilson N44º39" W67º12"

In article ,
Wilson wrote:

sometime in the recent past Jangchub posted this:
These articles not only don't say anything, one of them says the
company's listing on the NASDAQ is in question pending an earlier
claim made by an employee.

All the otherr claims below are also not accurate. Arsenic does not
come in one form. I think I'll avoid Ironite. Do as you wish, but
you have not furnished any information which disputes that Ironite has
the same class of arsenic as that of naturally occuring in greensand.
You are mixing yourself up. Unwind and take a breath. Do as you
wish. I couldn't care less.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:13:27 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:

Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n26835785

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....Article&ID=846
690&highlight

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/.../Section10.asp


the SEC filings list some of the subsidiaries such as GrowTec and Lilly
Miller which also distribute Ironite today.

Jan chub, to address your retort to my statement about arsenic in
greensand
as "not bloody likely". I'm afraid so.

You can believe these or not but do some actual research on some of the
other States that now also test and have these Ironite products on their
approved list:

The Ferettel Co.'s (PA) Greensand 0-0-3 was 5.8 ppm and 30 ppm of
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's (GA) product IRONITE PLUS 7-6-6 was 0.001ppm /0.7 ppm
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's 1-0-1 product was 5.5509ppm /0.1ppm arsenic/lead respectively,

ALASKA FISH FERTILIZER CO , Portland, OR ALASKA DRY PURE FISH FERTILIZER
8-5-1 W-Y was Arsenic: 9.3, Lead: 4.6 ( note this is also a sub of
Central
Garden and Pet)

AGROWCHEM INC KINGSTON ONT CN KELP EXTRACT POWDER 1-0-19
Arsenic: 28.6, Lead: 1

WEST COAST MARINE BIO-PROCESSING Company, BC CN
Arsenic: 10, Lead: .02

Source: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
approved product list for sale in WA State.

Even Dr Scheckel from the EPA news brief you both keep referencing stated
he believes that they changed their formula when he sent me a copy of the
actual study to review.

Spoken goatlike.
I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

Yes, I was wondering about the killfile also


http://gotbodhicitta-wangmo.blogspot.com/
Security is not what I have, it's what I can do without,,,
And if you have acquired a product line from a company that went out of
business because of the dangers found in that product, wouldn't good
business dictate that they would at least change the name? They must have
sold a ton before they went out of business to acquire such a loyal
following.
And this proves what, in your mind?

I'll never forget my father-in-law up in his blueberry fields with his
portable oxygen tank dying with lung cancer spraying Roundup on the weeds.
Or my neighbor who also died of lung cancer standing there telling me, while
smoking a cigar, of all the things he did that the 'left' called unhealthy
and that hadn't harmed him. Then a quizzically look came over his face and
he said, 'Well, I guess they did.'

You don't believe that cigarettes are harmful?

In the same vein, you may want to google for
"superfund sites for mine tailing's ".

Anecdotal or not, some people will never take anything as evidence of health
risks. It's downright un-American to not buy and use anything they damn well
want to. To them I say go for it, win the Darwin award, but stop poisoning
the rest of the world while you're at it.
You may find http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmC_rvPsPQ enlightening.

You can lead an ass to water, but you can't hold it's head under 'til the
bubbles stop.
And you can shear a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once.
- Marion Wayne
So what?

Dead thread, my 2 cents - Elvis has left the building.
Agreed


--
Wilson N44º39" W67º12"
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

Wilson" wrote in message
...
sometime in the recent past Jangchub didn't quite grasp....

I wonder how many adults here ever read Carl Segan's, "The Art of Baloney
Detection"?
http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/W/Jonath...0Detection.htm
(If your too pressed for time just skip to "What's in the kit? Tools for
skeptical thinking". ) Take the last line of this challenging of pseudo
science to heart: . "applied judiciously, it can make all the difference in
the world - not least in evaluating our own arguments before we present them
to others".

Wilson First, Thank you for sharing some of your your viewpoints and your
beliefs. Also, let me say I am glad you read and understood that the
product changed hands a couple of years back. At least two here showed they
couldn't comprehend (or refused) that fact. Hope you also understand that
the company changed the forumla shortly after acquisition so as to be
approved for sale by the States, specifically WA and CA where the new
company is headquartered. After reading his last post to you I finally had
to killfile the pseudo intellectual mouth (PIM), There is no hope for that
boy and I got tired of you guys leading him* to water and not finishing the
job.

And if you have acquired a product line from a company that went out of
business because of the dangers found in that product, wouldn't good
business dictate that they would at least change the name? They must have
sold a ton before they went out of business to acquire such a loyal
following.

To use your line of rationale; wouldn't the new company have suffered or
gone out of business using your "good business dictate " assumption?
Instead they posted $493 mil in sales, year to date, not bad in today's
economy, so my assumption is your assumption is not as good a business
model as you believe nor one they share. ( coulda, shoulda, woulda, instead
they just did)

( touching life story deleted for brevity)

Anecdotal or not, some people will never take anything as evidence of
health risks. It's downright un-American to not buy and use anything they
damn well want to. To them I say go for it, win the Darwin award, but stop
poisoning the rest of the world while you're at it.

I served 20 years in the military... majority in Special Ops w/ some time
in the Defense Nuclear Agency, even completed the FBI National Academy.
Went from a Private to Chief Warrant Officer 3. My bona fides are field
tested. I believe I earned my patriot merit badge many times over to where
it doesn't need to be questioned, so I take great offense at your innuendo
that someone is un-American because one does not believe as you think one
should (I'm an Independent actually, in case that thought crossed your
political mind) . For the record Wilson I believe in using best management
practices and natural ingredients as much as possible. Non chemical options
are always employed first, especially in the greenhouse and I don't use WMD.
I have plenty of frogs, garter snakes and birds of all types patrolling my
lawn/garden. Google/Wikipedia are book report tools, not the holy grail
( but they often contain the research references that so few employ). While
I like to hear and read others opinions, tricks and techniques, I want
FACTS, not someone's philosophical idealism when I make decisions. When I
find conflicting information I will challenge that as I did here. For the
most part, asking advice here is like asking Rush Limbaugh for pain remedy
advice, not much good yet you still get the ranting. However, there are
little nuggets of good info throughout and I still hold hope to read more
sound advice here.

But I would like someone to please show me where using Ironite products is
poisoning the earth, without all the drama and baloney? Especially since
there are some rumors Ironite is using the touted Greensand for the iron
source in some product lines( one from the EPA scientist himself in the
holy citation). PIM's EPA's superfund sites link is pure "Baloney" and
totally irrelevent since once again the brand Ironite(R) was sold in April
06 and the Ironite Products Company (AKA the company that used the mine
tailing,. not the one selling the product today) settled with the EPA in
May06, the mine made superfund status in 08. Bottom line...... no more iron
from the Iron King's mine tailings in the product Ironite(R).

Now, ya gotta admit, it is pretty entertaining reading the Dodger standing
up to the ELF. She easily gets them all flustered up to where they blink
(cuss) first, Don't agree with all her points but she makes some valid ones
that go unanswered, as well as some that should stay that way. Regardless
she's got some huevos grandes.

You can lead an ass* to water, but you can't hold it's head under 'til the
bubbles stop.

Oh. yes you can and the Government finally sanctioned it, ask Cheney.

Dead thread, my 2 cents

Yet ya still gotta stand and deliver at the wake.

My best to you Wilson

Gunner, WA zone 8a

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Wilson" wrote in message
...
sometime in the recent past Jangchub didn't quite grasp....

I wonder how many adults here ever read Carl Segan's, "The Art of Baloney
Detection"?
http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/W/Jonath...%20of%20Balone
y%20Detection.htm
(If your too pressed for time just skip to "What's in the kit? Tools for
skeptical thinking". ) Take the last line of this challenging of pseudo
science to heart: . "applied judiciously, it can make all the difference in
the world - not least in evaluating our own arguments before we present them
to others".

Wilson First, Thank you for sharing some of your your viewpoints and your
beliefs. Also, let me say I am glad you read and understood that the
product changed hands a couple of years back. At least two here showed they
couldn't comprehend (or refused) that fact. Hope you also understand that
the company changed the forumla shortly after acquisition so as to be
approved for sale by the States, specifically WA and CA where the new
company is headquartered.

You mean similar to the FDA or the EPA, that have already been over run
by the corporations? Before you think that is paranoid, check with any
respected nutritionist or consumer advocate. Lobbying work$.

After reading his last post to you I finally had
to killfile the pseudo intellectual mouth (PIM), There is no hope for that
boy and I got tired of you guys leading him* to water and not finishing the
job.

And if you have acquired a product line from a company that went out of
business because of the dangers found in that product, wouldn't good
business dictate that they would at least change the name? They must have
sold a ton before they went out of business to acquire such a loyal
following.

To use your line of rationale; wouldn't the new company have suffered or
gone out of business using your "good business dictate " assumption?
Instead they posted $493 mil in sales, year to date, not bad in today's
economy, so my assumption is your assumption is not as good a business
model as you believe nor one they share. ( coulda, shoulda, woulda, instead
they just did)

( touching life story deleted for brevity)

Anecdotal or not, some people will never take anything as evidence of
health risks. It's downright un-American to not buy and use anything they
damn well want to. To them I say go for it, win the Darwin award, but stop
poisoning the rest of the world while you're at it.

I served 20 years in the military... majority in Special Ops w/ some time
in the Defense Nuclear Agency, even completed the FBI National Academy.
Went from a Private to Chief Warrant Officer 3. My bona fides are field
tested. I believe I earned my patriot merit badge many times over to where
it doesn't need to be questioned, so I take great offense at your innuendo
that someone is un-American because one does not believe as you think one
should (I'm an Independent actually, in case that thought crossed your
political mind) . For the record Wilson I believe in using best management
practices and natural ingredients as much as possible. Non chemical options
are always employed first, especially in the greenhouse and I don't use WMD.
I have plenty of frogs, garter snakes and birds of all types patrolling my
lawn/garden. Google/Wikipedia are book report tools, not the holy grail
( but they often contain the research references that so few employ). While
I like to hear and read others opinions, tricks and techniques, I want
FACTS, not someone's philosophical idealism when I make decisions. When I
find conflicting information I will challenge that as I did here. For the
most part, asking advice here is like asking Rush Limbaugh for pain remedy
advice, not much good yet you still get the ranting. However, there are
little nuggets of good info throughout and I still hold hope to read more
sound advice here.

But I would like someone to please show me where using Ironite products is
poisoning the earth, without all the drama and baloney? Especially since
there are some rumors Ironite is using the touted Greensand for the iron
source in some product lines( one from the EPA scientist himself in the
holy citation). PIM's EPA's superfund sites link is pure "Baloney" and
totally irrelevent since once again the brand Ironite(R) was sold in April
06 and the Ironite Products Company (AKA the company that used the mine
tailing,. not the one selling the product today) settled with the EPA in
May06, the mine made superfund status in 08. Bottom line...... no more iron
from the Iron King's mine tailings in the product Ironite(R).

So you are conceding that the former product was poisonous or at the
least, not conducive to health?

I think, you posted previous cites for the new Ironite formula. If it
isn't too inconvenient, would you please post them again. I'm doing 60
hour weeks and stuff gets by me.

Now, ya gotta admit, it is pretty entertaining reading the Dodger standing
up to the ELF. She easily gets them all flustered up to where they blink
(cuss) first, Don't agree with all her points but she makes some valid ones
that go unanswered, as well as some that should stay that way. Regardless
she's got some huevos grandes.

You can lead an ass* to water, but you can't hold it's head under 'til the
bubbles stop.

Oh. yes you can and the Government finally sanctioned it, ask Cheney.

Dead thread, my 2 cents

Yet ya still gotta stand and deliver at the wake.

My best to you Wilson

Gunner, WA zone 8a

--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

I think, you posted previous cites for the new Ironite formula. If it
isn't too inconvenient, would you please post them again.

Never mind, I found it.
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
Looks like a great web site for evaluating Fertilizers and Pesticides.

http://www.envirolaw.org/consumers.html
ELF vs. IRONITE PRODUCTS COMPANY

(fertilizer)

California law regulates the levels of heavy metals (such as lead and
cadmium) allowed in fertilizers, and requires high levels be disclosed
on the packages. The Ironite Company could not meet California's
standards, because its fertilizer was being manufactured from mine
tailings at a potential Superfund site. Nonetheless, it steadfastly
refused to disclose the high levels of toxic metals on labels its
packages to warn customers, as the law required. ELF brought Ironite to
court, and Ironite -- after initially filing frivolous claims that its
"free speech rights" were violated if it had to warn about toxic metals
-- agreed to reformulate its products to get rid of the heavy metals
altogether, and to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to the
effort to clean up California's waters.
(2006)

GRO TEC INC
Mailing Address 10115 HWY 142 N
Post Office Box
City COVINGTON
State GA

It appears that the new Ironite is completely different than the
pre-2006 Ironite.

Post 2006
IRONITE PLUS 12-10-10
Arsenic 2.47 ppm
Lead 62.7 ppm

Pre-2006
Arsenic 3,972 ppm
Lead 2,677 ppm

Odd though,
Heinz Brungs is president and chief executive officer of Ironite
Products Company. The company has carried the Ironite label since 1987,
although Brungs' association and ownership of the organization traces
back to 1978 when he formed Metex Ltd., and purchased the Iron King Mine
stockpile in Humbolt, Ariz.

Ironite Products Company
1340 Treat Blvd. Suite 650
Walnut Creek, CA 94597
USA

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:13:27 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:

Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb his is a "Business Wire" article dated
August 19, 2008 04:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time and mentions
Ironite in the forth paragraph.

It looks like Heinz Brungs, who sold toxic waste for fertilizer,
is still president of the company, which has a mailing address in
Covington, Georgia and a business address in Walnut Creek
California. It appears that Ironite sold the company to itself.
Hmmmm
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

I think, you posted previous cites for the new Ironite formula. If it
isn't too inconvenient, would you please post them again.

Never mind, I found it.
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
Looks like a great web site for evaluating Fertilizers and Pesticides.

http://www.envirolaw.org/consumers.html
ELF vs. IRONITE PRODUCTS COMPANY

(fertilizer)

California law regulates the levels of heavy metals (such as lead and
cadmium) allowed in fertilizers, and requires high levels be disclosed
on the packages. The Ironite Company could not meet California's
standards, because its fertilizer was being manufactured from mine
tailings at a potential Superfund site. Nonetheless, it steadfastly
refused to disclose the high levels of toxic metals on labels its
packages to warn customers, as the law required. ELF brought Ironite to
court, and Ironite -- after initially filing frivolous claims that its
"free speech rights" were violated if it had to warn about toxic metals
-- agreed to reformulate its products to get rid of the heavy metals
altogether, and to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to the
effort to clean up California's waters.
(2006)

GRO TEC INC
Mailing Address 10115 HWY 142 N
Post Office Box
City COVINGTON
State GA

It appears that the new Ironite is completely different than the
pre-2006 Ironite.

Post 2006
IRONITE PLUS 12-10-10
Arsenic 2.47 ppm
Lead 62.7 ppm

Pre-2006
Arsenic 3,972 ppm
Lead 2,677 ppm

Odd though,
Heinz Brungs is president and chief executive officer of Ironite
Products Company. The company has carried the Ironite label since 1987,
although Brungs' association and ownership of the organization traces
back to 1978 when he formed Metex Ltd., and purchased the Iron King Mine
stockpile in Humbolt, Ariz.

Ironite Products Company
1340 Treat Blvd. Suite 650
Walnut Creek, CA 94597
USA

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:13:27 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:

Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb his is a "Business Wire" article dated
August 19, 2008 04:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time and mentions
Ironite in the forth paragraph.

It looks like Heinz Brungs, who sold toxic waste for fertilizer,
is still president of the company, which has a mailing address in
Covington, Georgia and a business address in Walnut Creek
California. It appears that Ironite sold the company to itself.
Hmmmm

Must have learned well from Monsanto and its multitude of name-saving
spinoffs.
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot