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Outlook does not do newsgroups.

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Oh Really? Then what I'm reading is a figment of my imagination????!!
Or is it you, Travis, who is a figment?
Murri
You're using Outlook Express, not Outlook.
OK, OK, I'm sorry I triggered this fight.

I don't use any MS program if I can help it, have never, ever used
Outlook or Outlook Express, and never will, in fact have removed as much
of Outlook/Outlook Express as I could, have removed all other MS
programs except Internet Explorer, since Microdaft insists on ActiveX
for updating, so I can't use Mozilla, so I didn't know that "Outlook"
isn't just a short form of "Outlook Express", which is what I thunk, but
refer to different programs, etc etc etc.

So kwitcherfitin, already!
I understand not using some MS stuff, but considering how cheap hard disk
space is these days, why do you waste time removing things? Just don't
use them.
Older machine, smaller HD, two OSs. Made the mistake of installing W2K on
a 2GB partition, which was touted as "minimum required." Shoulda known
better. Need W2K mostly for an estimating program my wife uses, and use it
for web access because Bell Sympatico doesn't play well with OS/2. Bah!
The "good" desktop runs on OS/2, and I've experimented with Linux on it.

Currently debating whether to go to another notebook (for my wife -- I
have a Mac G4), or another desktop. I like desktops - I can tinker with
them easily. And there are some really good buys out there, of "old" mobos
that were cutting edge a mere 18 months ago.... H'm. OTOH, a laptop would
suit my wife just fine, she could take it to the office, etc.

Difficult....

How old is "old"? It's amazing what more RAM can do for a computer. In fact,
it's the best way to spend upgrade money, followed by a larger hard disk,
and then a better video card (which is counterintuitive, but it really does
help, because of all the graphics on the web).


In its 5th year. And yes, I've considered doubling the RAM to 512MB, the
max for this mobo, and installing a new video card and adding a larger
HD. But when TigerDirect offers a bare-bones bundle (tower w/ 350W PS,
year-old mobo with an Athlon 2MHz CPU, 512MB RAM, AGP video and 7.1
capable sound on board) for under $400Can, spending $100 to $200 for 3
pieces of hardware looks a little unwise.

Hence my difficulty. Do I assemble a new PC for about $500 total of new
parts, or buy a middling quality laptop for about $1000 (keeping in mind
that todays' middling quality was cutting edge a year ro so ago.)

HTH

Travis M. wrote:
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message

Doug Kanter wrote:
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Doug Kanter wrote:
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"Travis M." wrote in
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[...]
Outlook does not do newsgroups.

--

Oh Really? Then what I'm reading is a figment of my
imagination????!! Or is it you, Travis, who is a figment?
Murri
You're using Outlook Express, not Outlook.
OK, OK, I'm sorry I triggered this fight.

I don't use any MS program if I can help it, have never, ever
used Outlook or Outlook Express, and never will, in fact have
removed as much of Outlook/Outlook Express as I could, have
removed all other MS programs except Internet Explorer, since
Microdaft insists on ActiveX for updating, so I can't use
Mozilla, so I didn't know that "Outlook" isn't just a short
form of "Outlook Express", which is what I thunk, but refer to
different programs, etc etc etc. So kwitcherfitin, already!

I understand not using some MS stuff, but considering how cheap
hard disk space is these days, why do you waste time removing
things? Just don't use them.

Older machine, smaller HD, two OSs. Made the mistake of installing
W2K on a 2GB partition, which was touted as "minimum required." Shoulda
known better. Need W2K mostly for an estimating program my wife
uses, and use it for web access because Bell Sympatico doesn't play well
with OS/2. Bah!

Why does it matter to the ISP what OS you are running, just as long as
it can do TCP/IP?


For Windows platforms, Ethernet card drivers, tcpip/ip etc are
auto-configured when first installed, and when you configure the router.
For OS/2, it has to be done manually, including installing the driver
for the Ethernet card that connects to the router (which I connects to
the DSL modem for access to the 'net.) Can be done, of course, but it's
a hassle, not least because OS/2 doesn't have many Ethernet card
drivers. Bell's Access Manager is used for connecting directly through
the DSL modem. There is no OS/2 version. That's the downside of using an
obsolescent OS - even one that's still ahead of Windows in design,
function and usability, and at least equal to Linux in stability and
security (and way ahead in usability.)

HTH

"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message
.. .
Robert Grumbine wrote:
In article ,
Doug Kanter wrote:
[..]
I understand not using some MS stuff, but considering how cheap hard
disk space is these days, why do you waste time removing things? Just
don't use them.

Because MS stuff still on the disk can be invoked by other MS stuff on
the disk, the OS included, whether you planned it to or not. Quite a few
attacks on Windows computers rely on this trait. If you don't want a
given MS program to be executed, you have to delete it.


Thanks, good point, I'd forgotten that (prob. because I haven't had a
serious infection in over a year. :-))

Of course, the right firewall will send up a "WTF? Something's trying to
happen!" message, and keep the "something" from happening until you can
check it out.

"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
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"Travis M." wrote in message
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[...]
Outlook does not do newsgroups.

--

Oh Really? Then what I'm reading is a figment of my
imagination????!! Or is it you, Travis, who is a figment?
Murri
You're using Outlook Express, not Outlook.
OK, OK, I'm sorry I triggered this fight.

I don't use any MS program if I can help it, have never, ever used
Outlook or Outlook Express, and never will, in fact have removed as
much of Outlook/Outlook Express as I could, have removed all other MS
programs except Internet Explorer, since Microdaft insists on ActiveX
for updating, so I can't use Mozilla, so I didn't know that "Outlook"
isn't just a short form of "Outlook Express", which is what I thunk,
but refer to different programs, etc etc etc.

So kwitcherfitin, already!
I understand not using some MS stuff, but considering how cheap hard
disk space is these days, why do you waste time removing things? Just
don't use them.
Older machine, smaller HD, two OSs. Made the mistake of installing W2K
on a 2GB partition, which was touted as "minimum required." Shoulda
known better. Need W2K mostly for an estimating program my wife uses,
and use it for web access because Bell Sympatico doesn't play well with
OS/2. Bah! The "good" desktop runs on OS/2, and I've experimented with
Linux on it.

Currently debating whether to go to another notebook (for my wife -- I
have a Mac G4), or another desktop. I like desktops - I can tinker with
them easily. And there are some really good buys out there, of "old"
mobos that were cutting edge a mere 18 months ago.... H'm. OTOH, a
laptop would suit my wife just fine, she could take it to the office,
etc.

Difficult....

How old is "old"? It's amazing what more RAM can do for a computer. In
fact, it's the best way to spend upgrade money, followed by a larger hard
disk, and then a better video card (which is counterintuitive, but it
really does help, because of all the graphics on the web).


In its 5th year. And yes, I've considered doubling the RAM to 512MB, the
max for this mobo, and installing a new video card and adding a larger HD.
But when TigerDirect offers a bare-bones bundle (tower w/ 350W PS,
year-old mobo with an Athlon 2MHz CPU, 512MB RAM, AGP video and 7.1
capable sound on board) for under $400Can, spending $100 to $200 for 3
pieces of hardware looks a little unwise.

Hence my difficulty. Do I assemble a new PC for about $500 total of new
parts, or buy a middling quality laptop for about $1000 (keeping in mind
that todays' middling quality was cutting edge a year ro so ago.)

HTH

It's hard to say, really. It seems like every 6 months or so, the web takes
on new functionality which requires more resources. Listen to online radio
on a machine that's struggling to keep up, and you get jittery music. The
best approach over the years has always been to buy the best you can afford,
because it'll be outdated sooner if you don't. Or, beef up what you've
already got, if it'll satisfy the need. I did this last year with a pentium
3 (more memory, better video), and it helped quite a bit with basic office
work (huge spreadsheets, faxing from the computer) and web radio, which I
often do simultaneously. But, it's still not enough for a new pastime,
recording live music. So....onward. Roof on the house, or new computer?
Hmmm...

"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message

Travis M. wrote:
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Lady Blacksword" wrote
in
message
...
"Travis M." wrote
in
message news:fX8Ff.640$pY.461@trndny01...
[...]
Outlook does not do newsgroups.

--

Oh Really? Then what I'm reading is a figment of my
imagination????!! Or is it you, Travis, who is a

figment? Murri
You're using Outlook Express, not Outlook.
OK, OK, I'm sorry I triggered this fight.

I don't use any MS program if I can help it, have
never,
ever used Outlook or Outlook Express, and never will,
in
fact have removed as much of Outlook/Outlook
Express as
I could, have removed all other MS programs except
Internet
Explorer, since Microdaft insists on ActiveX for
updating, so I can't use Mozilla, so I didn't know that
"Outlook" isn't just a short form of "Outlook Express",
which is what I thunk, but refer
to different programs, etc etc etc. So
kwitcherfitin,
already!

I understand not using some MS stuff, but considering how

cheap hard disk space is these days, why do you waste
time
removing things? Just don't use them.

Older machine, smaller HD, two OSs. Made the mistake of
installing W2K on a 2GB partition, which was touted as
"minimum required."
Shoulda known better. Need W2K mostly for an estimating
program
my wife uses, and use it for web access because Bell
Sympatico doesn't
play well with OS/2. Bah!

Why does it matter to the ISP what OS you are running, just
as
long as it can do TCP/IP?


For Windows platforms, Ethernet card drivers, tcpip/ip etc are
auto-configured when first installed, and when you configure
the
router. For OS/2, it has to be done manually, including
installing
the driver for the Ethernet card that connects to the router
(which
I connects to the DSL modem for access to the 'net.) Can be
done,
of course, but it's a hassle, not least because OS/2 doesn't
have
many Ethernet card drivers. Bell's Access Manager is used for
connecting directly through the DSL modem. There is no OS/2
version. That's the downside of using an obsolescent OS - even
one
that's still ahead of Windows in design, function and
usability,
and at least equal to Linux in stability and security (and way
ahead in usability.)
HTH

Your router should handle the connection to the ISP be it PPPoE
or DHCP not the computer.

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Travis in Shoreline Washington

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( global ice age was a construct of the media, not of scientists).
Be careful. In general, it's a dangerous policy here to confuse people with
the actual facts.......

Travis M. wrote:
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote in message
[.]]
For Windows platforms, Ethernet card drivers, tcpip/ip etc are
auto-configured when first installed, and when you configure the
router. For OS/2, it has to be done manually, including installing
the driver for the Ethernet card that connects to the router (which
I connects to the DSL modem for access to the 'net.) Can be done,
of course, but it's a hassle, not least because OS/2 doesn't have
many Ethernet card drivers. Bell's Access Manager is used for
connecting directly through the DSL modem. There is no OS/2
version. That's the downside of using an obsolescent OS - even one
that's still ahead of Windows in design, function and usability,
and at least equal to Linux in stability and security (and way
ahead in usability.)
HTH

Your router should handle the connection to the ISP be it PPPoE or DHCP
not the computer.

True, but OS/2 still needs the correct NIC driver, and that's the
problem: not enough available for OS/2. The faster machine has on-board
Ethernet, but OS/2 can't use it. I tried an add-in card (Intel 10/1000
Pro), but the generic driver that is supposed to work for all NICs
didn't, probably because it was still beta. I don't have the smarts to
fix it, nor even to describe the problem correctly. Or else I've
misread/misunderstood the docs, which are not exactly a model of clarity
(what OS docs are? :-))

Well, I'll try again Real Soon Now. I've just bought eComStation, a
licensed upgraded distro of OS/2, and we'll see. OS/2 IMO still has the
best GUI - consistently OO in design, and completely consistent in
behaviour, unlike any other I've ever tried. I recently tried Gnome on
Suse 10.0 -- not very good, a bad mix of Windows and Mac design concepts
IMO. But Linux looks prmising for other reasons.

But this thread is getting very much OT, so I'll end my participation
here, if you don't mind. I'll be asking questions on a couple of
comp.os2... groups.

HTH