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"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
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raeannsimpson wrote:


So how do you mid-westerners smoke things up? Using my plain ol' Weber,
I twist up some hicory chips in some aluminum foil, and add water to
them and just let them sit. Then I fire up the coals in one of those
chimney thingies, put a can of water on the lower grill and, when the
coals are ready, pour them out next to the water, drain the water out
of
the wood chips and toss the foil containing the wood chips on to the
coals, put on the meat and close the vents on the lid to about half.
Then I wait as long as I can. When doing ribs, I use real charcoal
because it burns longer.

I don't know about mid-westerners, but we usually put the chips right
in the grill (no weber, unfortunately). We use hickory, mesquite, or
whatever happens to be on sale.

Dry chips or wet? Don't have wild hickory trees here in California. Buy
the chips dry in little plastic bags. To get them to smoke, instead of
burn, I gotta soak them before use.

With ribs we will use a marinade/basting sauce but chicken is usually
just fine as is. Left-overs (aka: planed-overs) will either find their
way in to a salad or a tortilla or both.

Chicken is good plain - if not dried out, but marinade helps with the
moisture a little for the white pieces. And I agree with you on the
left-overs - also makes pretty good chicken potpies!

With chicken, we usually eat the thighs plain and put the breasts in
salads. Some times I put a sauce on the breasts but not usually. Chicken
breasts can get awfully dry, like trying to swallow sawdust, but that's
where the fruit of the vine comes into the picture or, something like
celery remoulade or, slaw salad.

Always willing to learn.
ME TOO!
Right back atcha.

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

I generally use them dry - i guess we do more "burning" here. with the kids
and all - i don't always have the time it takes to smoke the meat. you
never know what will happen from one minute to the next with a 2yr old and a
4 month old! dry chips cook faster to me, but of course, you don't always
get a strong hickory, mesquite, etc., taste to the meat. If i know i'm
gonna have help around (or if the hubby will be in early) and I have time
for it to cook - then i will wet the chips before lighting up the grill, and
smoke the meat. so to me - the preference of the chips (wet or dry) all
depends on my prep time.........

oh yeah, on your earlier post about the aluminum and Alzheimer's, I've read
a little about it - ( i was a nurse before we decided for me to stay home
with the kids). I, myself, still use aluminum. I know that Alzheimer's is
more of a hereditary thing. Unfortunately, it runs in my family. So I
don't really understand how they can think that there is a link there. I
just mark it as something's gonna get you one way or the other. that
doesn't mean that I go about my life more dangerously, mind you. That's
just my take on this matter. Would be interested to know if anyone has a
newer report on this - say something from the last couple of years - I'm
kinda out of the medical loop these days.............other than peds it
seems. (lol)

Rae
Apparently, high levels of aluminum are found in the cerebral cortex in
Alzheimer's patients. Aluminum doesn't migrate much but because it is a
metal, it will dissolve in the presence of acid (citric, ascorbic,
oxalic, ect.). Cooking instructions always tell you to do sauces with
acids in them in enamel pans and pots because iron or aluminum can
change the color and taste of the sauce.

The other way not to get Alzheimer's is to not get old or, have
circulatory problems like high blood pressure, high triglycerides or,
high cholesterol.

A lot of it is hereditary but why push your luck. If you make too many
bad bets, one is sure to come in.

You sound like your young enough and, have time to make adjustment.

To your health,

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Charlie wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:19:14 -0400, "Rachael Simpson"
wrote:


I generally use them dry - i guess we do more "burning" here. with the
kids
and all - i don't always have the time it takes to smoke the meat. you
never know what will happen from one minute to the next with a 2yr old and
a
4 month old! dry chips cook faster to me, but of course, you don't always
get a strong hickory, mesquite, etc., taste to the meat. If i know i'm
gonna have help around (or if the hubby will be in early) and I have time
for it to cook - then i will wet the chips before lighting up the grill,
and
smoke the meat. so to me - the preference of the chips (wet or dry) all
depends on my prep time.........

oh yeah, on your earlier post about the aluminum and Alzheimer's, I've
read
a little about it - ( i was a nurse before we decided for me to stay home
with the kids). I, myself, still use aluminum. I know that Alzheimer's
is
more of a hereditary thing. Unfortunately, it runs in my family. So I
don't really understand how they can think that there is a link there. I
just mark it as something's gonna get you one way or the other. that
doesn't mean that I go about my life more dangerously, mind you. That's
just my take on this matter. Would be interested to know if anyone has a
newer report on this - say something from the last couple of years - I'm
kinda out of the medical loop these days.............other than peds it
seems. (lol)

Rae

Hmmmmm.......life sure is funny.

My D-I-L is a ped nurse. Other D-I-L is a special ed teacher.

My son, nurses's husband, is a mostly stay at home dad, when he isn't
working here with us. Grandson is here then too, as well as lots of
other times.

My Lovely taught, and then we decided that she would stay home with the
boys. Led to homeschooling (thanks to series of articles in Mother
Earth News) thru eigth grade....got their heads right enough that high
school didn't hurt them too much.

That's cool! I was homeschooled by my grandmother. Well, actually I was
practically raised by Nana & Papa. My dad left when I was 7 and my sister
was 6 months. So, I had to grow up at an early age. Things were very bad
then - when my dad left - he left us with nothing but the clothes on our
back - quite literally. My mom had taken us to spend the day with my
great-granny and then we went to church from there (it was a wednesday).
When we got home, the whole house had been emptied out. We found out the
next day that he had already told the landlords that we were moving and he
had arranged to have the power and phone cut off too. My Papa went and
bought us a trailer straight out and had it put by their house. I went to
public school thru 5th grade - then Nana taught me from there. In turn, I
basically raised my sister and taught her. Mama worked almost 24-7 it
seemed. She was the breakfast manager and the night shift manager where she
worked. So by the time she would get home at night which was usually around
1 or 2 in the AM, of course I would already have my sister in bed long
before then. She had to work like that to make ends meet. She had no help
from my dad and no help from the government. As a result at the age of 12,
I had gotten a public job to help with the income. I also sang at local
churches for love offerings. It still burns me up how I could see the
"system" help the "lazy's" and turn down those who really tried.

Managed to go broke yet again. I'll skip how we got to where we are,
just the where of it. I've been fighting the system for a long time,
and was offered the chance to keep it up, from within one of the
systems.

I definitely know how broke feels. Been there all my life. I am the queen
of cutting corners and watching spending budgets. My husband has his own
hay farming operation, and he helps out other farmers around here. We don't
want for anything we need, but of course there are always the wanting for
things that we don't really need. My internet service is my only splurge.
I was forced to come out of work while pregnant with wyatt. I almost
mis-carried 17 times in that one pregnancy. So that's when we decided that
if God let that baby live, then I would stay home with him. I will go back
to work if need be, but right now, we get by. Besides, with gas prices and
daycare fees, it's more reasonable to stay home.

We live in a group home. (got yer 'tention with that, eh?)

oh, yeah, you did.

We live with four people with severe and profound mental retardation,
and who have varying degrees of physical disabilities. We are
responsible for all areas of care, personal planning, scheduling....the
whole bit, with nearly complete autonomy, for a variety of reasons.

We've been at this for, over twenty years if you count, the partime
schticks Mona did since eighty-four.

With out going too much into detail, we've developed the whole garden
and patio thing in response to the needs and behavioral issues that
some of the folks had, plus it quite neatly dovetailed with our needs.

It's amazing what the great outdoors (when cared for properly) can do for
people.

Nearly totally accessible, as well.

In a nutshell, we have seen some *marvelous* results by removing people
from the absolute mayhem and frustration of a "day program" and helping
them quielty enter into life with "normal" people. To the degree that
they are able *and* want. The garden area has had a marvelous calming
effect on two people in particular.

I know exactly what you mean. I have seen that result with my Papa (he had
parkinson's, that was complicated with a touch of Alz) Before he retired he
was a county extension agent, and after retirement he worked as a
dealer/agent for Asgrow Seed Co. He stayed with Asgrow until his health
made it impossible for him to continue work. She kept him at home as long
as she could on her own. (we had already moved by then, but still visited
once or twice a week)

One good indicator of the results was the fact that frequent dr. visits
ahve dwindled to basically a yearly physical and *lots* of meds have
dropped and reduced, some were the nastier psychotropes, with which you
are no doubt familiar.

Oh, yeah............difinitely know those.

Anyways, this whole bit has received alot of attention and we often get
people "touring" just to see what we're all about(thats why the short
leash bit, preps for it and finishing touches...tour was this morning)
and as a result of our early efforts, years ago, our agency shut down
the day program about ten years ago and everyone supported by the
agency is "integrated" to the best of their abilities and desires.

We won't even go into what dietary changes have been accomplished (for
the folks we support, I still like my bacon and will eat anything if it
holds still long enough)

A couple of the other homes are now gardening and nearly all are doing
some outdoor and planting, cooking stuff.

Anyway that's where we're coming from and why I am able to be online so
often. I am always looking for new ideas for anything adn everything

I felt there was a reason I liked you.

Same here

Mysterious ways, eh?

most definitely

Love ya, keep it up, yer one of the good ones
Charlie (I really am a Charles)


Same to you!

BTW........wonder why I hate poisons?
hahahahaha (sarcastically) yeah real wonder ain't?

--
I think that if ever a mortal heard the voice of God it would be in a
garden at the cool of the day. ~F. Frankfort Moore, A Garden of Peace

Thanks for sharing with me. I can really understand where you are coming
from. Feb. 06, my other grandpa became ill. (he was actually my step-dad's
father, but with me and Pops, we were closer than he was with his own flesh
and blood grandchildren.) When he came out of the hospital, a majority of
the family wanted him in a nursing home. He was 82, he had lived his life
they said. He was perfectly fine for his age, he just needed help getting
up and down, etc. I saw it as an opportunity to help him in the ways that I
couldn't help my Papa. He moved into my mother's house. (our trailer was
too small for a wheelchair and all that he needed) I took care of him
everyday until he died on oct. 21, 06. My mother is disabled now, so she
couldn't do much for him. I became pregnant with Breanna Grace during that
time. The Lord blessed me to have a normal pregnancy that time so I could
continue to be with Pops and look after him. How he loved it when we would
go outdoors and he could see the garden and direct the gardens care. He
especially loved the rides around the country to see the farms and fields.
My only regret is that I couldn't keep him here long enough to see my
Breanna. If your grandson is anything like my son, then the others that
stay with you probably get just as much enjoyment out of having him around
as my Pops did having Wyatt around. Wyatt provided endless hours of
entertainment to him.

Oh well, I need to get off here - it's only taken me since 6:30pm to get
this response typed out. I had to stop to check the supper pots, change the
diapers, etc. Anyway - now it's time to get the munchkins to bed.

Thanks again for sharing. I'm a good ear for medical venting
too..............
maybe i didn't bore you with part of my story.

love,
Rae

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
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In article . com,
raeannsimpson wrote:


So how do you mid-westerners smoke things up? Using my plain ol'
Weber,
I twist up some hicory chips in some aluminum foil, and add water to
them and just let them sit. Then I fire up the coals in one of those
chimney thingies, put a can of water on the lower grill and, when
the
coals are ready, pour them out next to the water, drain the water
out
of
the wood chips and toss the foil containing the wood chips on to the
coals, put on the meat and close the vents on the lid to about half.
Then I wait as long as I can. When doing ribs, I use real charcoal
because it burns longer.

I don't know about mid-westerners, but we usually put the chips right
in the grill (no weber, unfortunately). We use hickory, mesquite, or
whatever happens to be on sale.

Dry chips or wet? Don't have wild hickory trees here in California. Buy
the chips dry in little plastic bags. To get them to smoke, instead of
burn, I gotta soak them before use.

With ribs we will use a marinade/basting sauce but chicken is
usually
just fine as is. Left-overs (aka: planed-overs) will either find
their
way in to a salad or a tortilla or both.

Chicken is good plain - if not dried out, but marinade helps with the
moisture a little for the white pieces. And I agree with you on the
left-overs - also makes pretty good chicken potpies!

With chicken, we usually eat the thighs plain and put the breasts in
salads. Some times I put a sauce on the breasts but not usually.
Chicken
breasts can get awfully dry, like trying to swallow sawdust, but that's
where the fruit of the vine comes into the picture or, something like
celery remoulade or, slaw salad.

Always willing to learn.
ME TOO!
Right back atcha.

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

I generally use them dry - i guess we do more "burning" here. with the
kids
and all - i don't always have the time it takes to smoke the meat. you
never know what will happen from one minute to the next with a 2yr old
and a
4 month old! dry chips cook faster to me, but of course, you don't
always
get a strong hickory, mesquite, etc., taste to the meat. If i know i'm
gonna have help around (or if the hubby will be in early) and I have time
for it to cook - then i will wet the chips before lighting up the grill,
and
smoke the meat. so to me - the preference of the chips (wet or dry) all
depends on my prep time.........

oh yeah, on your earlier post about the aluminum and Alzheimer's, I've
read
a little about it - ( i was a nurse before we decided for me to stay home
with the kids). I, myself, still use aluminum. I know that Alzheimer's
is
more of a hereditary thing. Unfortunately, it runs in my family. So I
don't really understand how they can think that there is a link there. I
just mark it as something's gonna get you one way or the other. that
doesn't mean that I go about my life more dangerously, mind you. That's
just my take on this matter. Would be interested to know if anyone has a
newer report on this - say something from the last couple of years - I'm
kinda out of the medical loop these days.............other than peds it
seems. (lol)

Rae
Apparently, high levels of aluminum are found in the cerebral cortex in
Alzheimer's patients. Aluminum doesn't migrate much but because it is a
metal, it will dissolve in the presence of acid (citric, ascorbic,
oxalic, ect.). Cooking instructions always tell you to do sauces with
acids in them in enamel pans and pots because iron or aluminum can
change the color and taste of the sauce.

yep - knew that part

The other way not to get Alzheimer's is to not get old or, have
circulatory problems like high blood pressure, high triglycerides or,
high cholesterol.

when someone can figure out a way to not get old, let me know..............

A lot of it is hereditary but why push your luck. If you make too many
bad bets, one is sure to come in.

oh, i try not too, but the way they come up with new "these are now bad for
you"s who knows what anyone may have inadvertently done or used. I try to
be as "green" as I can. I even make my own household cleaners. Of course,
that helps cut corners cash wise too. I definitely try not to push my luck
and I agree with you on the bad bets. i just don't see how they can single
out aluminum as the cause of alz. i guess i can understand the effect that
the aluminum can have in an alz patient, i just want to learn more as it
does run in my family. it's reared it's ugly head in every generation as
far back as i can trace my Papa's family history. my papa was the last to
have it. none of his children have been diagnosed with it yet, and i pray
that the chain has ended, but yet i can't help but wonder what i can be
doing to try to keep it from showing up in my generation.


You sound like your young enough and, have time to make adjustment.

I'm always ready to learn more.............

To your health,

your's too!

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Rae

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:05:32 -0400, "Rachael Simpson"
wrote:

snip

Thanks again for sharing. I'm a good ear for medical venting
too..............
maybe i didn't bore you with part of my story.

love,
Rae

Bore me? Hardly.

More later, for sure, keep an eye out.

I think we have frightened the folk hereabout. ;-)

This all brings to mind another song that some of the boys wrote a long
time ago, it seems.

Care and Love
Charlie
_____________________________________

You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good bye.

Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.

Teach your parents well,
Their children's hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

Just like "Judgment Day", the hammer could fall anytime and we'd all
find ourselves confined in football stadiums.

Sieg Heil

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Hey ya'll,

came across another sauce recipe - I'm planning to try tonight. thought it
might interest you two.

Sweet-Hot Strawberry Barbecue Sauce

Published in: Knoxville News

2 cup fresh strawberries -- hulled and sliced
1/3 cup strawberry preserves
1/3 cup ketchup
2 tablespoons soy sauce
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1 large garlic clove -- minced
1 teaspoons fresh chopped ginger
1/2 teaspoons cayenne powder
1/2 teaspoons fresh grated lemon zest
1 scallion -- minced
2 tablespoons fresh cilantro -- chopped

Place all ingredients in food processor or blender and puree until
smooth. Serve with fowl, fish, pork or beef.
Yield: 2 cups.

Exported from A Cook's Books -- Recipe management for Macintosh


"Bill Rose" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Red sauce: My grandmother makes the best red sauce. Back home (two hours
north of where I live now) everybody requests her sauce whenever there is
a
cook-out. People have even been known to ask for bottles of it as gifts
from her at christmas or birthdays. My mom & I fix it down here (the
exact
same way) but Nana's always seems to taste even better. (I think it must
be
the "grandma effect")

The easiest way:

"Scuse me, I was eaves dripping on your conversation.

Is there a way from scratch to make the Red Sauce?

Hot pepper vinegar? New one to me (sheltered life that I live). I'm more
used to the pepper seeds in the olive oil routine. Use habanero seeds
and, a little dab will do ya.

Sure is easy to see the French influence on southern cooking.

Now if we could only start demonstrating like our German cousins. Sturm
and Drang in Rostock. The Heiligendamm meeting aimed to give
globalization a human face. Kinda like Bush with a Barney mask.

But I digress . . .

- (y)lliB
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:54:41 -0700, Billy Rose
wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:05:32 -0400, "Rachael Simpson"
wrote:

snip

Thanks again for sharing. I'm a good ear for medical venting
too..............
maybe i didn't bore you with part of my story.

love,
Rae

Bore me? Hardly.

More later, for sure, keep an eye out.

I think we have frightened the folk hereabout. ;-)

This all brings to mind another song that some of the boys wrote a long
time ago, it seems.

Care and Love
Charlie
_____________________________________

You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good bye.

Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.

Teach your parents well,
Their children's hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

Just like "Judgment Day", the hammer could fall anytime and we'd all
find ourselves confined in football stadiums.

Sieg Heil

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Le plus assurément

Je suis dur pour attraper des unawares

Charlie

I say ol' chap. I don't quite get your banter ol' man. A bit sticky,
what? Would you mind terribly running that phrase through your "Enigma"
machine again. That's a good chap. I say, what I'm reading ol' man
is,"Most assuredly, I am hard to trap some unawares". Be a good rotter
and, give it another go, ol' man. I say, rather, pip pip, cheerio oh,
and all that sort of thing.

Wha'cha think Charlie? That there is what's called Eng-leesh. Kinda
weird, uh? See ya at the next parlay. Keep your powder dry.

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Hey ya'll,

came across another sauce recipe - I'm planning to try tonight. thought it
might interest you two.

Sweet-Hot Strawberry Barbecue Sauce

Published in: Knoxville News

2 cup fresh strawberries -- hulled and sliced
1/3 cup strawberry preserves
1/3 cup ketchup
2 tablespoons soy sauce
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1 large garlic clove -- minced
1 teaspoons fresh chopped ginger
1/2 teaspoons cayenne powder
1/2 teaspoons fresh grated lemon zest
1 scallion -- minced
2 tablespoons fresh cilantro -- chopped

Place all ingredients in food processor or blender and puree until
smooth. Serve with fowl, fish, pork or beef.
Yield: 2 cups.

Exported from A Cook's Books -- Recipe management for Macintosh


Why thank kew Rachael. This goes on the meat for the last twenty minutes
and then is served as a garniture?

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Hey ya'll,

came across another sauce recipe - I'm planning to try tonight. thought
it
might interest you two.

Sweet-Hot Strawberry Barbecue Sauce

Published in: Knoxville News

2 cup fresh strawberries -- hulled and sliced
1/3 cup strawberry preserves
1/3 cup ketchup
2 tablespoons soy sauce
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1 large garlic clove -- minced
1 teaspoons fresh chopped ginger
1/2 teaspoons cayenne powder
1/2 teaspoons fresh grated lemon zest
1 scallion -- minced
2 tablespoons fresh cilantro -- chopped

Place all ingredients in food processor or blender and puree until
smooth. Serve with fowl, fish, pork or beef.
Yield: 2 cups.

Exported from A Cook's Books -- Recipe management for Macintosh


Why thank kew Rachael. This goes on the meat for the last twenty minutes
and then is served as a garniture?

- Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

no prob! the recipe wasn't specific for the sauce's use, but that's how I'm
gonna try it. Oh yeah, got the recipe from rec.food.recipes

I'm on that group too, but mainly just read it - don't post much.

Rae

Hi Bill,
How ironic it has become to me that we struck up a conversation on aluminum.
Two weeks ago, the Peds doc did a allergy blood test on my son. he has a
severe case of eczema as well as allergies. results in today - guess what
one of his allergies are..............yep - right train of thought!
ALUMINUM!!! most of the creams they tried to treat his eczema with had
aluminum (in some form or 'nother) in them. Which is why treatment made it
worse. Due to test results, we have some major project we will have to
undertake here at home. (carpet was another red flagger, so that has to go.)
Anyway - the aluminum factor kinda threw me off guard there, and was highly
ironic to me.

Tearin' up the house now - to rid all "factors"

Rae

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Janet Baraclough wrote:

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from "Rachael Simpson" contains these words:

Hi Bill,
How ironic it has become to me that we struck up a conversation on
aluminum.
Two weeks ago, the Peds doc did a allergy blood test on my son. he has a
severe case of eczema as well as allergies. results in today - guess what
one of his allergies are..............yep - right train of thought!
ALUMINUM!!! most of the creams they tried to treat his eczema with had
aluminum (in some form or 'nother) in them. Which is why treatment made it
worse. Due to test results, we have some major project we will have to
undertake here at home. (carpet was another red flagger, so that has
to go.)
Anyway - the aluminum factor kinda threw me off guard there, and was highly
ironic to me.

Tearin' up the house now - to rid all "factors"

Whoa. It's impossible to de-sensitise his entire environment; and
doing so would not help him build up any tolerance for when he's in
other environments. MOST children do build tolerances then completely
outgrow eczema. Ours did.

A few tips; I suggest, you start instead with his bedroom; he probably
spends a third of his life in it. We used, smooth washable floor, window
blind not curtain, good mattress cover, pure cotton sheets and PJ's,
(no polyester mixes) low allergen covers and pillow, frozen and
laundered regularly to reduce dustmites. Damp-wipe all hard surfaces
daily (plain water, takes moments once you get fast) Wash his bedding
and clothes separate from the rest of the family, using a low-allergen
unscented powder We used a brand called Filetti. The rest of the house
had normal curtains, carpets etc. As a toddler one son liked a washable
cotton playmat so he never had to sit on wool carpet while playing or
watching TV. Our kids wore only cotton, never wool or synthetics.

Wash him in plain water only, no soap, lotions, potions, powders.. I can
assure you water is enough to get the filthiest mud-covered boy
perfectly clean:-) if/where his skin is dry use a very simple safe
plain emollient like E45 , ask a pharmacist for it.. Try never to get on
the steroid-cream roundabout.

We also got really good results from a course of homeopathic medecine
from our family doctor, but we only ever use homeopathy prescribed by
someone who is both, a fully qualified and practising doctor of medicine
and fully qualified in homeopathy.

HTH

Janet.

Janet









I'd consider Aluminum similar to Nickel. By this I mean metals.
Janet's advice is great BTW.

Bill

Below may be of interest.

Don't let all the numbers disturb you.

Here is the gist with which to consult with your doctor.

CONCLUSIONS: High prevalence figures were found for atopic diseases,
hand eczema and allergic contact dermatitis, and the diseases were
closely associated. A considerable number of adolescents still suffers
from AD, and a considerable sex difference was noted for hand eczema and
allergic contact dermatitis.

Nickel allergy and perfume allergy were the major contact allergies.

In the future this cohort of eighth grade school children will be
followed up with regard to the course and development of atopic
diseases, hand eczema and contact dermatitis.


...............


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...DetailView&Ter
mToSearch=11260009&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem 2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed
_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus


Br J Dermatol. 2001 Mar;144(3):523-32.
Links
Prevalence of atopic dermatitis, asthma, allergic rhinitis, and hand and
contact dermatitis in adolescents. The Odense Adolescence Cohort Study
on Atopic Diseases and Dermatitis.


Mortz CG, Lauritsen JM, Bindslev-Jensen C, Andersen KE.
Department of Dermatology, Odense University Hospital, DK-5000 Odense C,
Denmark.
BACKGROUND: Atopic diseases are common in children and adolescents.
However, epidemiological knowledge is sparse for hand eczema and
allergic contact dermatitis in this age group. Furthermore, no
population-based studies have evaluated the prevalence of atopic
diseases and hand and contact dermatitis in the same group of
adolescents. OBJECTIVES: To assess prevalence measures of atopic
dermatitis (AD), asthma, allergic rhinitis and hand and contact
dermatitis in adolescents in Odense municipality, Denmark. METHODS: The
study was carried out as a cross-sectional study among 1501 eighth grade
school children (age 12-16 years) and included questionnaire, interview,
clinical examination and patch testing. RESULTS: The lifetime prevalence
of AD was 21.3% (girls 25.7% vs. boys 17.0%, P 0.001) using predefined
questionnaire criteria. The 1-year period prevalence of AD was 6.7% and
the point prevalence 3.6% (Hanifin and Rajka criteria). In the interview
the lifetime prevalence of inhalant allergy was estimated as 17.7% (6.9%
allergic asthma, 15.7% allergic rhinitis). The lifetime prevalence of
hand eczema based on the questionnaire was 9.2%, the 1-year period
prevalence was 7.3% and the point prevalence 3.2%, with a significant
predominance in girls. A significant association was found both between
AD and inhalant allergy, and between AD and hand eczema using lifetime
prevalence measures. The point prevalence of contact allergy was 15.2%
(girls 19.4% vs. boys 10.3%, P 0.001), and present or past allergic
contact dermatitis was found in 7.2% (girls 11.3% vs. boys 2.5%).
Contact allergy was most common to nickel (8.6%) and fragrance mix
(1.8%). CONCLUSIONS: High prevalence figures were found for atopic
diseases, hand eczema and allergic contact dermatitis, and the diseases
were closely associated. A considerable number of adolescents still
suffers from AD, and a considerable sex difference was noted for hand
eczema and allergic contact dermatitis. Nickel allergy and perfume
allergy were the major contact allergies. In the future this cohort of
eighth grade school children will be followed up with regard to the
course and development of atopic diseases, hand eczema and contact
dermatitis.

--

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Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...


Whoa. It's impossible to de-sensitise his entire environment; and
doing so would not help him build up any tolerance for when he's in
other environments. MOST children do build tolerances then completely
outgrow eczema. Ours did.

A few tips; I suggest, you start instead with his bedroom; he probably
spends a third of his life in it. We used, smooth washable floor, window
blind not curtain, good mattress cover, pure cotton sheets and PJ's,
(no polyester mixes) low allergen covers and pillow, frozen and
laundered regularly to reduce dustmites. Damp-wipe all hard surfaces
daily (plain water, takes moments once you get fast) Wash his bedding
and clothes separate from the rest of the family, using a low-allergen
unscented powder We used a brand called Filetti. The rest of the house
had normal curtains, carpets etc. As a toddler one son liked a washable
cotton playmat so he never had to sit on wool carpet while playing or
watching TV. Our kids wore only cotton, never wool or synthetics.

Wash him in plain water only, no soap, lotions, potions, powders.. I can
assure you water is enough to get the filthiest mud-covered boy
perfectly clean:-) if/where his skin is dry use a very simple safe
plain emollient like E45 , ask a pharmacist for it.. Try never to get on
the steroid-cream roundabout.

We also got really good results from a course of homeopathic medecine
from our family doctor, but we only ever use homeopathy prescribed by
someone who is both, a fully qualified and practising doctor of medicine
and fully qualified in homeopathy.

HTH

Janet.

Janet

Thanks for the input and info. Unfortunately, I, myself, am one of the few
who did not out-grow eczema. I have battled it on and off for a majority of
my life. Alot of the suggestions you offered I already put to use. We are
talking severe eczema. my son's peds doc claims he's never seen a case like
this. Novartis (the company that produced Elidel) is using my son's medical
records as research for them, although I don't let them use him for it. We
have tried several topical creams, steriod & non-steriod based. Right now,
I am willing to try anything, cause I hate to see him suffer so. I know how
he feels, I have been there.

Don't let my hubby hear you say too much about the carpet
ordeal.................I really want to get the carpet out of the bathroom!
LOL I'm sure you can understand that one...........

He still has the mattress from his crib - when i bought his crib I made sure
it was one of those convertible types so we could save money in the long run
there. the mattress a hypo-allergenic one with the vinyl covering.

I wash his, mine, and my daughters clothes all in baby detergent. I
figured that was as safe as it gets. Never seen or heard of Filetti. Will
try to find some though and give it a try. Also gonna try getting the E45.
Don't remember hearing about that. They have gave me scripts for compound
creams that most of the pharmacist had never heard of. One pharmacist had
but he said he hadn't seen scripts for those kind of creams in 40 years or
better. (he's 82, owns the store, suppposedly retired!)

i know i can't take away everything. but sometimes i think that anything
has to be better if it can help try to "cure" it. you know how it is when
it comes to your kids............

thanks again for the info and let me know if you have anymore
ideas/knowledge as to what will help!

Rae

"William Wagner" wrote in message
...

snip

I'd consider Aluminum similar to Nickel. By this I mean metals.
Janet's advice is great BTW.

Bill

Below may be of interest.

Don't let all the numbers disturb you.

Here is the gist with which to consult with your doctor.

CONCLUSIONS: High prevalence figures were found for atopic diseases,
hand eczema and allergic contact dermatitis, and the diseases were
closely associated. A considerable number of adolescents still suffers
from AD, and a considerable sex difference was noted for hand eczema and
allergic contact dermatitis.

Nickel allergy and perfume allergy were the major contact allergies.

In the future this cohort of eighth grade school children will be
followed up with regard to the course and development of atopic
diseases, hand eczema and contact dermatitis.


..............


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...DetailView&Ter
mToSearch=11260009&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem 2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed
_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus


Br J Dermatol. 2001 Mar;144(3):523-32.
Links
Prevalence of atopic dermatitis, asthma, allergic rhinitis, and hand and
contact dermatitis in adolescents. The Odense Adolescence Cohort Study
on Atopic Diseases and Dermatitis.


Mortz CG, Lauritsen JM, Bindslev-Jensen C, Andersen KE.
Department of Dermatology, Odense University Hospital, DK-5000 Odense C,
Denmark.
BACKGROUND: Atopic diseases are common in children and adolescents.
However, epidemiological knowledge is sparse for hand eczema and
allergic contact dermatitis in this age group. Furthermore, no
population-based studies have evaluated the prevalence of atopic
diseases and hand and contact dermatitis in the same group of
adolescents. OBJECTIVES: To assess prevalence measures of atopic
dermatitis (AD), asthma, allergic rhinitis and hand and contact
dermatitis in adolescents in Odense municipality, Denmark. METHODS: The
study was carried out as a cross-sectional study among 1501 eighth grade
school children (age 12-16 years) and included questionnaire, interview,
clinical examination and patch testing. RESULTS: The lifetime prevalence
of AD was 21.3% (girls 25.7% vs. boys 17.0%, P 0.001) using predefined
questionnaire criteria. The 1-year period prevalence of AD was 6.7% and
the point prevalence 3.6% (Hanifin and Rajka criteria). In the interview
the lifetime prevalence of inhalant allergy was estimated as 17.7% (6.9%
allergic asthma, 15.7% allergic rhinitis). The lifetime prevalence of
hand eczema based on the questionnaire was 9.2%, the 1-year period
prevalence was 7.3% and the point prevalence 3.2%, with a significant
predominance in girls. A significant association was found both between
AD and inhalant allergy, and between AD and hand eczema using lifetime
prevalence measures. The point prevalence of contact allergy was 15.2%
(girls 19.4% vs. boys 10.3%, P 0.001), and present or past allergic
contact dermatitis was found in 7.2% (girls 11.3% vs. boys 2.5%).
Contact allergy was most common to nickel (8.6%) and fragrance mix
(1.8%). CONCLUSIONS: High prevalence figures were found for atopic
diseases, hand eczema and allergic contact dermatitis, and the diseases
were closely associated. A considerable number of adolescents still
suffers from AD, and a considerable sex difference was noted for hand
eczema and allergic contact dermatitis. Nickel allergy and perfume
allergy were the major contact allergies. In the future this cohort of
eighth grade school children will be followed up with regard to the
course and development of atopic diseases, hand eczema and contact
dermatitis.

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

i agree wholeheartedly with you about janet's advice. thanks for the
article on ezcema & dermatitis. read thru it - but gonna sit down and
really read it after the kids go to bed 2nite. i can concentrate more on
what i am reading then! lol

thanks!
rae

"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message
...
Hi Bill,
How ironic it has become to me that we struck up a conversation on
aluminum.
Two weeks ago, the Peds doc did a allergy blood test on my son. he has a
severe case of eczema as well as allergies. results in today - guess what
one of his allergies are..............yep - right train of thought!
ALUMINUM!!!

alu min Ium. aluminIum.

rob

In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message
...
Hi Bill,
How ironic it has become to me that we struck up a conversation on
aluminum.
Two weeks ago, the Peds doc did a allergy blood test on my son. he has a
severe case of eczema as well as allergies. results in today - guess what
one of his allergies are..............yep - right train of thought!
ALUMINUM!!!

alu min Ium. aluminIum.

rob

Rob, here in 'Merica we have our own special way of screwing up the
English language, no doubt about it;-) North of us, up in Canada, they
have the same misconception. Here it is 4 syllables, not 5.

We are many people separated by a common language.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"George.com" wrote:

"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message
...
Hi Bill,
How ironic it has become to me that we struck up a conversation on
aluminum.
Two weeks ago, the Peds doc did a allergy blood test on my son. he
has a
severe case of eczema as well as allergies. results in today - guess
what
one of his allergies are..............yep - right train of thought!
ALUMINUM!!!

alu min Ium. aluminIum.

rob

Rob, here in 'Merica we have our own special way of screwing up the
English language, no doubt about it;-)

I know, I just thought I'd pick a fight.

rob

Tomato - as in Tom r to
z - as in zed