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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bill wrote:

In article ,
"Joe" wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
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On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of
the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture,
and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my
fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested
in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I thank you for your replies. Several of you have suggested picking
them
off by hand. This would be impossible for me to do since I have 8
fruit
trees, 3 grape vines and a garden to boot. Even if it were possible
to
pick off I would fill up a 50 gallon barrel and would be spending
several
nights and days to do it and the next day the bugs would be right back
at
it. Some of the environmentalists wackcos out there criticize me for
using
chemicals. They don't seem to understand any person with half a brain
would
use insecticides in a responsibly manner. Oh I almost forgot it's
BUSH's
fault that I get these beetles. Why not blame it on him, they blame
everything else on him.
Thanks again.


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Milky Spore. Goggle it.
I did.

http://homeharvest.com/milkyspore.htm
Milky Spore Powder
Japanese Beetle
and Grub Control
St. Gabriel Laboratories' Milky Spore is a naturally occurring host
specific bacterium (Bacillus popillae-Dutky). This product is lethal to
a familiar destructive summer-time pest. It targets and discriminately
works to attack the white grubs of Japanese Beetles.



The adult beetle feeds on fruits, flowers, shrubs, garden plants and the
foliage of some field crops. At the immature beetle stage, the grub
enjoys feeding on the roots of grass and other vegetation to include
stems of plants.

Turf inoculation treatments / applications with MILKY SPORE puts in
place an on-guard protective blanket on your lawn.Considered the weakest
link in the chain and the most vulnerable point to introduce an
infection, resident spores in treated turf are swallowed by grubs during
their normal pattern of feeding; this starts the demise of healthy
grubs. Milky Spore disease then begins to cripple the grub, and within
the next 7-21 days will eventually die. As the grub decomposes, it
releases billions of new spores.

Milky Spore IS NOT harmful to beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or
man. The product is approved and registered with EPA, Milky Spore will
not affect wells, ponds or streams.

The ideal way to combat area infestation is through organized community
efforts. Large areas treated with Milky Spore can result in long term
control.


Condolences to Kate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbaryl
Carbaryl is a cholinesterase inhibitor and is toxic to humans. It is
classified as a likely human carcinogen by the United States
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA.)[1] It kills various beneficial
insect and crustacean species along with intended pest victims, so care
must be taken when spraying where beneficial nontarget species are
present. Carbaryl is acutely toxic to HONEYBEES (HELLO!), destroying
colonies of bees foraging in an area where the chemical has been applied.

But it is made by Bayer, so how bad could it be? VERY.

So this idiot found himself in a position of under-think and now that he
is in a hurry, it is "collateral damage" time. That used to be a bad
phrase back in the day of Timothy McVeigh.

How very very bush of you.
--

- Billy


Why do you hate our troops, you non-patriot?
Not patriotic? Bring our troops home NOW. That's about as patriotic as
you can get, Joe. Get them out of that meat grinder. Everyday that we
are there just makes things worse.

You doin' tackin' practice on elm stumps now Joe?

What's the etiology of this particular epiphany . . . or have you just
gone and lost your mind?

Funny thing, I was signing up on-line with my medical provider yesterday
and they asked me some personal questions that they had no reason to
know.
They see you when your sleeping,
they see you when your awake,
they see if you've been good or bad,
So be good for goodnss sake.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...moves-toward-m
artial-law/
The massive Defense Authorization Act of 2007 grants the Pentagon $532.8
billion to include implementation of the new law which furthermore
facilitates militarized police round-ups of protesters, so-called
illegal aliens, potential terrorists, and other undesirables for
detention in facilities already contracted and under construction, (see
Censored 2007, Story #14) and transferring from the Pentagon to local
police units the latest technology and weaponry designed to suppress
dissent.

Of course the fact that 90% of the news we get comes from about a dozen
corporations, and the people who sit on their boards include some of the
same people who sit on the boards of Northrup, Boeing, Halliburton, and
Bechtel might make some reasonable men suspicious.

But this isn't the place for that, we are here to help some nut-case
kill the bees in his neighborhood.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill wrote:

In article ,
"Joe" wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
..
.
On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and
Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care
of
the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying
on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this
mixture,
and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that
my
fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very
interested
in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I thank you for your replies. Several of you have suggested picking
them
off by hand. This would be impossible for me to do since I have 8
fruit
trees, 3 grape vines and a garden to boot. Even if it were
possible
to
pick off I would fill up a 50 gallon barrel and would be spending
several
nights and days to do it and the next day the bugs would be right
back
at
it. Some of the environmentalists wackcos out there criticize me for
using
chemicals. They don't seem to understand any person with half a
brain
would
use insecticides in a responsibly manner. Oh I almost forgot it's
BUSH's
fault that I get these beetles. Why not blame it on him, they blame
everything else on him.
Thanks again.


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database 4035 (20090425) __________

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Milky Spore. Goggle it.
I did.

http://homeharvest.com/milkyspore.htm
Milky Spore Powder
Japanese Beetle
and Grub Control
St. Gabriel Laboratories' Milky Spore is a naturally occurring host
specific bacterium (Bacillus popillae-Dutky). This product is lethal to
a familiar destructive summer-time pest. It targets and discriminately
works to attack the white grubs of Japanese Beetles.



The adult beetle feeds on fruits, flowers, shrubs, garden plants and
the
foliage of some field crops. At the immature beetle stage, the grub
enjoys feeding on the roots of grass and other vegetation to include
stems of plants.

Turf inoculation treatments / applications with MILKY SPORE puts in
place an on-guard protective blanket on your lawn.Considered the
weakest
link in the chain and the most vulnerable point to introduce an
infection, resident spores in treated turf are swallowed by grubs
during
their normal pattern of feeding; this starts the demise of healthy
grubs. Milky Spore disease then begins to cripple the grub, and within
the next 7-21 days will eventually die. As the grub decomposes, it
releases billions of new spores.

Milky Spore IS NOT harmful to beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or
man. The product is approved and registered with EPA, Milky Spore will
not affect wells, ponds or streams.

The ideal way to combat area infestation is through organized community
efforts. Large areas treated with Milky Spore can result in long term
control.


Condolences to Kate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbaryl
Carbaryl is a cholinesterase inhibitor and is toxic to humans. It is
classified as a likely human carcinogen by the United States
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA.)[1] It kills various beneficial
insect and crustacean species along with intended pest victims, so care
must be taken when spraying where beneficial nontarget species are
present. Carbaryl is acutely toxic to HONEYBEES (HELLO!), destroying
colonies of bees foraging in an area where the chemical has been
applied.

But it is made by Bayer, so how bad could it be? VERY.

So this idiot found himself in a position of under-think and now that
he
is in a hurry, it is "collateral damage" time. That used to be a bad
phrase back in the day of Timothy McVeigh.

How very very bush of you.
--

- Billy


Why do you hate our troops, you non-patriot?
Not patriotic? Bring our troops home NOW. That's about as patriotic as
you can get, Joe. Get them out of that meat grinder. Everyday that we
are there just makes things worse.

You doin' tackin' practice on elm stumps now Joe?

What's the etiology of this particular epiphany . . . or have you just
gone and lost your mind?

Funny thing, I was signing up on-line with my medical provider yesterday
and they asked me some personal questions that they had no reason to
know.
They see you when your sleeping,
they see you when your awake,
they see if you've been good or bad,
So be good for goodnss sake.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...moves-toward-m
artial-law/
The massive Defense Authorization Act of 2007 grants the Pentagon $532.8
billion to include implementation of the new law which furthermore
facilitates militarized police round-ups of protesters, so-called
illegal aliens, potential terrorists, and other undesirables for
detention in facilities already contracted and under construction, (see
Censored 2007, Story #14) and transferring from the Pentagon to local
police units the latest technology and weaponry designed to suppress
dissent.

Of course the fact that 90% of the news we get comes from about a dozen
corporations, and the people who sit on their boards include some of the
same people who sit on the boards of Northrup, Boeing, Halliburton, and
Bechtel might make some reasonable men suspicious.

But this isn't the place for that, we are here to help some nut-case
kill the bees in his neighborhood.
--

- Billy


Chill out. I know a few morons who think that if you say things like "But it
is made by Bayer, so how bad could it be?", you distrust corporations, which
means you're un-American, and we all know that if you don't toe the party
line, you also hate the troops.

I was razzin' you.

In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill wrote:

In article ,
"Joe" wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

wrote in message

m..
.
On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and
Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care
of
the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying
on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this
mixture,
and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that
my
fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very
interested
in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I thank you for your replies. Several of you have suggested picking
them
off by hand. This would be impossible for me to do since I have 8
fruit
trees, 3 grape vines and a garden to boot. Even if it were
possible
to
pick off I would fill up a 50 gallon barrel and would be spending
several
nights and days to do it and the next day the bugs would be right
back
at
it. Some of the environmentalists wackcos out there criticize me for
using
chemicals. They don't seem to understand any person with half a
brain
would
use insecticides in a responsibly manner. Oh I almost forgot it's
BUSH's
fault that I get these beetles. Why not blame it on him, they blame
everything else on him.
Thanks again.


__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature
database 4035 (20090425) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com

Milky Spore. Goggle it.
I did.

http://homeharvest.com/milkyspore.htm
Milky Spore Powder
Japanese Beetle
and Grub Control
St. Gabriel Laboratories' Milky Spore is a naturally occurring host
specific bacterium (Bacillus popillae-Dutky). This product is lethal to
a familiar destructive summer-time pest. It targets and discriminately
works to attack the white grubs of Japanese Beetles.



The adult beetle feeds on fruits, flowers, shrubs, garden plants and
the
foliage of some field crops. At the immature beetle stage, the grub
enjoys feeding on the roots of grass and other vegetation to include
stems of plants.

Turf inoculation treatments / applications with MILKY SPORE puts in
place an on-guard protective blanket on your lawn.Considered the
weakest
link in the chain and the most vulnerable point to introduce an
infection, resident spores in treated turf are swallowed by grubs
during
their normal pattern of feeding; this starts the demise of healthy
grubs. Milky Spore disease then begins to cripple the grub, and within
the next 7-21 days will eventually die. As the grub decomposes, it
releases billions of new spores.

Milky Spore IS NOT harmful to beneficial insects, birds, bees, pets or
man. The product is approved and registered with EPA, Milky Spore will
not affect wells, ponds or streams.

The ideal way to combat area infestation is through organized community
efforts. Large areas treated with Milky Spore can result in long term
control.


Condolences to Kate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbaryl
Carbaryl is a cholinesterase inhibitor and is toxic to humans. It is
classified as a likely human carcinogen by the United States
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA.)[1] It kills various beneficial
insect and crustacean species along with intended pest victims, so care
must be taken when spraying where beneficial nontarget species are
present. Carbaryl is acutely toxic to HONEYBEES (HELLO!), destroying
colonies of bees foraging in an area where the chemical has been
applied.

But it is made by Bayer, so how bad could it be? VERY.

So this idiot found himself in a position of under-think and now that
he
is in a hurry, it is "collateral damage" time. That used to be a bad
phrase back in the day of Timothy McVeigh.

How very very bush of you.
--

- Billy


Why do you hate our troops, you non-patriot?
Not patriotic? Bring our troops home NOW. That's about as patriotic as
you can get, Joe. Get them out of that meat grinder. Everyday that we
are there just makes things worse.

You doin' tackin' practice on elm stumps now Joe?

What's the etiology of this particular epiphany . . . or have you just
gone and lost your mind?

Funny thing, I was signing up on-line with my medical provider yesterday
and they asked me some personal questions that they had no reason to
know.
They see you when your sleeping,
they see you when your awake,
they see if you've been good or bad,
So be good for goodnss sake.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-s...moves-toward-m
artial-law/
The massive Defense Authorization Act of 2007 grants the Pentagon $532.8
billion to include implementation of the new law which furthermore
facilitates militarized police round-ups of protesters, so-called
illegal aliens, potential terrorists, and other undesirables for
detention in facilities already contracted and under construction, (see
Censored 2007, Story #14) and transferring from the Pentagon to local
police units the latest technology and weaponry designed to suppress
dissent.

Of course the fact that 90% of the news we get comes from about a dozen
corporations, and the people who sit on their boards include some of the
same people who sit on the boards of Northrup, Boeing, Halliburton, and
Bechtel might make some reasonable men suspicious.

But this isn't the place for that, we are here to help some nut-case
kill the bees in his neighborhood.
--

- Billy


Chill out. I know a few morons who think that if you say things like "But it
is made by Bayer, so how bad could it be?", you distrust corporations, which
means you're un-American, and we all know that if you don't toe the party
line, you also hate the troops.

I was razzin' you.

Oh, that's alright, Joe. Turns out I wanted to tell somebody about my
experience with Kaiser Permanente. You'd think a hospital would be
cutting corners to save money but they got money to burn on buying
access to "public records"(whatever that is supposed to mean). I mean
I'm nobody, and they feel that they have to know everything about me?
What's up with that? Admiral Poindexter may be gone but his snooping on
Americans goes on.

Now get your helmet on, and get back in the game ;O)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:34:06 -0400, Bill
wrote:


Immediate gratification sounds childish to me. Why not think of
...forget it.

Bill

His immediate concern should be how to garden. His whole garden is
infested with bugs or insects and it always will be.
Victoria


I'm going to switch sides here and say that perhaps you've never seen pole
beans skeletonized in 24 hours by Japanese beetles. Thousands of them. They
did the same to my grapes two years ago, but those were on the way out
anyway due to deer snacking. I was fortunate enough to have a couple of
gallons of hideous onion-hot pepper broth that I'd made. That whacked the
beetles nicely, but it was too late for the beans anyway. They never
recovered. If I hadn't been away when they began their work, I might've
stopped the assault in time. Oh well.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:57:19 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:34:06 -0400, Bill
wrote:


Immediate gratification sounds childish to me. Why not think of
...forget it.

Bill

His immediate concern should be how to garden. His whole garden is
infested with bugs or insects and it always will be.
Victoria


I'm going to switch sides here and say that perhaps you've never seen pole
beans skeletonized in 24 hours by Japanese beetles. Thousands of them.
They
did the same to my grapes two years ago, but those were on the way out
anyway due to deer snacking. I was fortunate enough to have a couple of
gallons of hideous onion-hot pepper broth that I'd made. That whacked the
beetles nicely, but it was too late for the beans anyway. They never
recovered. If I hadn't been away when they began their work, I might've
stopped the assault in time. Oh well.


Do a search on the data showing that insects can detect unhealthy
plants and will attack those before any others. There is evidence to
support this, its not pulled out of the air. You have one type of
plant attacked. The OP has an entire garden attacked by them.
Obviously I am not speaking to someone like you with one plant which
was the most attacked. In the case of plants which are higly attract
pests, I would plant extra and on the other side of the garden. Aka a
catch crop.
Victoria


I wish I had the space to plant extras, but it's not an option here. The
only place I could put extra beans would be outside the fence. They'd last
about 5 minutes due to the deer.

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on Mother's
Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and does it
work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit trees
flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


When I was in the spraying game we considered using Sevin to protect
Monterey pines from borer beetles after pruning, however state
regulations required(among other things) that we notify all beekeepers
within a five mile radius. We found some other solution

If you do decide to use Sevin read, understand and follow the label.

You really should consult a licensed pest control advisor and hire a
licence applicator.
Then if something goes wrong you won't be alone in court.
--

09=ix

On Apr 25, 1:12*pm, "brooklyn1" wrote:
wrote in message


Why do you have to walk quietly... if all I gotta do to get rid of beetles
is stomp about I'd save a lot of effort... I'm usually cussing the little
bastids when I have to drag my heavy sprayer and step ladder tree to tree in
the heat of summer and never yet saw a beetle fly off the back of the one
they're humping. hehe *With all those details you added about different
kinds of jars etc. to your verbose trilogy I don't believe a word you
wrote... you've never seen a Japanese beetle up close and personal... you're
paraphrasing something you read.

first off, the ONLY reason I walked quietly in MY gardens over in the
former Faerie Holler where I gardened successfully for well over
thirteen years, was when the little bastages sensed or saw me coming,
they'd fly off, first by dropping down and then flying sideways. I
started walking towards where they were clustered quietly so as not to
alert them. That was the only reason. It was also something that
allowed me to have a more quiet time out in my nine raised gardens
that spanned quite a bit of cubic foot. the front southern bed alone
was 50 foot long and four foot wide with extensions to each corner
that made MORE beds. I raised four o'clocks that grew in tuber size
to larger than footballs. I know THIS because my husband, James bent
my new Fiskars spade which is a solid metal shaft on a fiber glass
handle trying to dig me a tuber up to take when I lost my house last
April. The TOP of the tuber was about ten inches across and the
summer previous the plants themselves that I didn't pull out when I
saw them emerging (to not crowd the hundreds of perennials and other
bulbs and plants and small blooming shrubs) grew to past the front
gutters. About six feet or more. I had three kinds of 4's. The old
fashioned magenta ones, and yellow splashed with red, and a solid
lemon yellow one.

As for " With all those details you added about different
kinds of jars etc. to your verbose trilogy I don't believe a word you
wrote... you've never seen a Japanese beetle up close and personal... you're
paraphrasing something you read." remark you've made in regards to ME, I AM long winded. Those who KNOW me from my writings over the course of the last 14 years here on wreck gardens (I am one of the first visitors who has made friends and traded plants, seeds, tubers, roots and such over the span of over a decade since 1998 when I first discovered newsgroups on gardening, and if you doubt THAT, ask anyone who knows of me......or search the archives. I AM long winded, or "verbose" as you so adequately said it. LOL


It's your choice to believe me or not. I know what I spoke to you
about, because I have practiced exactly the very thing I said to you.
the various kinds of containers? I use what is handy. A wide mouth
jar works best for capturing many at a time. And knowing that you
have TREES means you CAN'T just pick them off. I only meant on things
closer to your hand reach. To hand pick them would drive you
bugnuts.........and be impossible.

As for not seeing a Japanese beetle up close and personal, you're
wrong. They come earlier than June bugs (which in Tennessee for
whatever reason seem to come in the first part of JULY) and are the
same color in body and wings as their larger beetles, but much
smaller. THey are irredescent green and blueish. They have black
legs, and I don't need to PROVE to you that I have had many years of
encounters with them. I wrote about my personal experience with them
on this newsgroup years ago, and started to calling them the decending
hordes of Japs......research this if you doubt me. Or ask Victoria,
or Billy, or Gardengal, or anyone else who knows of me and my writings
and rambles. I tend to write like I talk............and talk like I
write. and if I DO paraphrase something I've read, or researched
specifically to answer a gardening question that I'm not 100% sure of,
I make damn sure I say that I am quoting something written by someone
else. I am a master gardener from UT in Knoxville, but I don't wear
it like a badge, because I am still learning. I will continue to
learn about gardening and bugs and pests and beneficials and
everything horticultural until the day I am myself composting.

I have given you the benefit of my experience and age (56 isn't old
for a tree, just old enough if I were a walnut to produce
nuts.....LOL) and if you doubt me, it's your perogative. I wish you
all the luck in erradicating your Japs.

madgardener gardening in containers in the green bowl in upper
Northeastern Tennessee, zone 7a, Sunset zone 36 until I have my own
home again one day.
============


living in the inner town where I do, I've not encountered a skunk as
of yet, and don't see the usual possom's either, but suspect the local
gardeners here are the ones who like to spray without concerns to the
ground waters. *I can't change the world, I can only maintain my
little piece of magic.

my opinions are strictly my own, but my methods are self proven by me
over the course of quite a long time.......

madgardener up in the green bowl, gardening in containers in upper
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