In article ,
paghat wrote:

"to someone like me who came here with absolutely nothing"

He came here with a Mister Universe championship, already invested in a
vitamin company, already richerf than his well-off & comfortable middle
class family in Austria. He was never the poor kid who rose from nothing
he pretends to be.

Yeah, that $1500 Mr. Universe prize pretty much set him up for life.

Yawn.

billo

(Bill Oliver) expounded:

In article ,
paghat wrote:

"to someone like me who came here with absolutely nothing"

He came here with a Mister Universe championship, already invested in a
vitamin company, already richerf than his well-off & comfortable middle
class family in Austria. He was never the poor kid who rose from nothing
he pretends to be.

Yeah, that $1500 Mr. Universe prize pretty much set him up for life.

Yawn.

Which is why he supported himself, aslong with Franco Columbo, as a
stone mason. Anyone who really knows Arnold's story knows he came
here with little resources or money. I haven't just followed him
since his entry into politics, I met him back in the 70's with my then
husband.

But don't expect the Bush haters to listen, Bill, they're a lost
cause. Pun intended.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

In article ,
Vox Humana wrote:


I was thinking how upset people like you get when, after Republicans talk
about "family values," someone posts hard facts about the Bush family like
Neil Bush's patronage of Asian hookers and history of venereal disease...

If you want to see how low a Kerry administration will be, just
look at how low his mouthpieces go.

billo

"Bill Oliver" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Vox Humana wrote:


I was thinking how upset people like you get when, after Republicans talk
about "family values," someone posts hard facts about the Bush family
like
Neil Bush's patronage of Asian hookers and history of venereal disease...

If you want to see how low a Kerry administration will be, just
look at how low his mouthpieces go.


You aren't suggesting that Neil Bush didn't frequent Asian whores and
contract genital herpes are you?

In article , (Bill
Oliver) wrote:

In article ,
Vox Humana wrote:


I was thinking how upset people like you get when, after Republicans talk
about "family values," someone posts hard facts about the Bush family like
Neil Bush's patronage of Asian hookers and history of venereal disease...

If you want to see how low a Kerry administration will be, just
look at how low his mouthpieces go.

billo

I'll append some hysterical quotes from the chap you find a GOOD
mouthpiece for the Bush administgration, & so you'll know who it REALLY is
Ann so comically pretended to have known in the 1970s, I'll limit these
few quotes from Arnold's mouth to a 1977 interview conducted by Peter
Manso:

Druggy Arnold Proud To Admit: "Yes, I smoke grass and hash. No hard drugs.
The point is that I do what I feel like doing."

Middle-class lazy-life never-ever-needed-a-real-job Arnold admits: "I
began to see [bodybuilding] as a way out of Austria, an escape from the
everyday life around me. I'd look out my parents' window and see people
talking over a cup of coffee for two hours or more, and I knew it wasn't
for me. My father was the local police chief and he led a very regular
life. I became determined to make it without working."

Arnold the gangbanging rapist admits: Bodybuilders party a lot, and once,
in Gold's, the gym in Venice, California, where all the top guys train,
there was a black girl. Everybody jumped on her and took her upstairs,
where we all got together.

Manso: Gangbanged?

Arnold: Yes, but not everybody, just the guys who can **** in front of
other guys. It gives you relief, and then afterward you go back to the
serious stuff.

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

In article , Ann
wrote:

(Bill Oliver) expounded:

In article ,
paghat wrote:

"to someone like me who came here with absolutely nothing"

He came here with a Mister Universe championship, already invested in a
vitamin company, already richerf than his well-off & comfortable middle
class family in Austria. He was never the poor kid who rose from nothing
he pretends to be.

Yeah, that $1500 Mr. Universe prize pretty much set him up for life.

Yawn.

Which is why he supported himself, aslong with Franco Columbo, as a
stone mason. Anyone who really knows Arnold's story knows he came
here with little resources or money. I haven't just followed him
since his entry into politics, I met him back in the 70's with my then
husband.

But don't expect the Bush haters to listen, Bill, they're a lost
cause. Pun intended.

Sheesh, you make this too easy. The REALITY is Arnold OWNED HIS OWN
MASONRY COMPANY, you silly liar. His company charged MUCH higher than the
going rate by pretending his company was an old European masonry company
-- lying his way to success has remained Arnold's most changeless trait.
So it makes sense that you, his fellow liar, would admire such a liar.

So he's a first-rate businessman, don't deny him at least that! He came
here already a success & got more successful, & did it, by his own
testimony in his own behalf, without ever having to work a full day
through (he swore before leaving Austria he'd never work nine-to-five, &
he never did). If you so love giving him BJs, if you REALLY ever believed
he's so great, you wouldn't be telling such fantastic whoppers hoping
against realitly to make him look better. It would be quite easy to put a
positive spin on the guy's ACTUAL successes but instead you have to tell
lies, you're so ashamed of what he's really about!

Furthermore he got his first important film role in 1970 just two years
after arriving in the US. So way "back in the 70s" when you pretend to
have been his pal, Arnold PERSONALLY claims his best pals of the 70s were
John Voigt, Sylvester Stallone, & Warren Beatty -- NOT you & your ex, what
a hysterically important lie that was, that you personally met him when he
was a stonemason, BWAAAhahahahaha! At the time when you pretend you knew
him as a stonemason he had already sold his half of that business to his
partner; he was already a regular on television programs & talkshows; he
had already broken into films. So tell some bigger whoppers why don't you.

In 1970, to get his first STARRING film role as the title character in
"Hercules in New York," he LIED HIS ASS OFF claiming to have had lots of
stage experience in Europe, though of course he had no acting experience
of any kind, just like he never saw soviet tanks in the streets, was not a
poor kid but quite well off & middle class, did not arrive in the US with
"nothing in my pockets," did NOT observe an oppressive socialist regime as
he this year pretended, did NOT encounter soviet soldiers in terror of
being grabbed & sold into slavery as he fabricated from scratch, but DID
have a nazi father though for years he lied about that, from whom he
learned the politics he still reflects, especially when he trashes the
socialist decade which only antisemites have ever failed to recognize as
Austria's closest brush with a modern golden age.

So I'm so sure a dumbass like you was Arnold's personal friend "in the
70s" when you allege he was a down & out stonemason, so as Franken would
define you, "You lying liar."

And so you dumbasses love giving blowjobs to a man who is a stand-up guy
for a nazi war-criminal like Waldheim, but who publically castigates
Austria's "socialist" interlude which was the only decade when Austria had
a human-rights giant & Jew as chancellor. If you love the man, loving him
for who he really is, & stop lying for him. If you can't you stick up for
him without lying your ass off, even pretending you're his personal friend
from way back, you must actually realize how bad this stuff really is.

Arnold claims in 2004 that he left a Socialist Austria for America, having
seen the damage the Socialist government did there. But when he left
Europe in 1968 (he was living in Germany then), Austria's chancellor was
arch Conservitive Josef Klaus, a red-baiter of the first water, who had no
apologies for the nazi years, who greatly popularized the habit of making
"Jew" and "Socialist" synonyms. Indeed, from 1945 to 1970, Austria was run
by Conservatives with nazi affiliations in their past, & Arnold never
lived in a country with a socialist government of any kind.

Yet at the GOP convention Arnold pretended he left Socialist Austria &
cited that very year. For Arnold's entire life Austria had been run by
Conservatives, so how the hell did this turn "socialist" to his 2004
memory?? Norbert Darabos, head of Austria's modern opposition party, the
Social Democratics, noted that "The Terminator is constructing a rather
bizarre Austria image." Martin Polaschek, a law history scholar and vice
rector of Graz University, noted that "[Arnold] confuses a free country
with a socialist one," it having been habitual for Americans to call all
eastern european nations "socialist" even the ones that are democratic.
Austrians love Arnold, but they were roundly puzzled by how he could tell
such whoppers at the Republican Convention. "There must be political
reasons for such comments," said a very puzzled Vienna waitress, Wilma
Fradney. "You've got to tell [people] what they want to hear." [quotes
taken from wire service reports]

If you know the Austrian history, you know why he said such a nonsensical
thing. It was two years after he left Europe that the brief respite from
"ex" nazi Conservative rule occurred in Austria, the Socialist Decade when
Austria's standard of living rose dramatically & there was for that short
time hope & good fortune for DECENT Austrians. Before Kreisky, poverty &
racism was overseen by Conservative regimes; after Kreisky, it was a
return to poverty & racism headed by Conservatives. But Arnold did exactly
what all nazi-sympathetic Austrians tend to do, they refuse ever to
mention Kreisky by name but allude only to that "horrible" socialist
period -- though it was horrid only for the families of unrepentent nazis
who hated to see equal rights, business opportunities, & university access
for even the poor.

Get used to history, kiddo, & stop pretending you have any position in any
of it. What you & bilbo buggins have in common is you have a lot of
unintelligent opinions, but you never post with even an ounce of
substance, knowing so little that lying is your only option.

People who want the straight dope on Doper Dan Arnold SS, check out
http://www.arnoldwatch.org
Although he's himself a consumate marijuana user & very liberal on issues
of drug use, in most other categories he comes nowhere near the Moderate
he presents himself as being. He has the same Texas mastermind behind his
political career as launched the unqualified George W. Bush. Arnold's a
self-serving, two-faced, power-hungry wacko, & still lying his way to
successes as has always been his method. arnoldwatch.com attempts to
document his ongoing habit of wild & inconsistent fabrications.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

(paghat) wrote in message ...
In article , (Bill
Oliver) wrote:

In article ,
paghat wrote:

[attempted Nazi smear deleted]

Leave it to the Kerry camp. When the attempted lies
that tanks weren't there, were invisible, or were
cleverly disguised as ice cream cones falls flat,
they fall back on the standard racist trick of
labelling anybody with a German accent a Nazi.

Sadly for you I gave a merely a factual accounting without even teency
rearrangement or exaggeration, as unlike you I HAVE done a great deal of
historical research on Austria (mainly because of my interest in the
Jewish authors who were killed or had to flee -- Vienna in particular was
a great place before the Jews were killed or run out).


Yes, people tend to forget that it wasn't just 6 million bodies that
were lost when the Germans went on their hateful and destructive
rampage, but that those bodies housed the bulk of the vast cultural
wealth of the West. The Germans, largely due to the psychotic
delusions of one incredibly evil and reactionary man, almost set
European culture back to the dark ages in less than 12 years.
It is with the greatest sadness in my heart that I observe the same
pattern repeating itself. I only hope that we have learned a lesson
from the past and that we all take measures to stamp out this
insidious disease before it spreads out of control - again.

(paghat) expounded:

you silly liar

On and on and on you go. You silly idiot. See, I can call you names,
too. And yes, he did work it into a business, it's called capitalism.
Now do blather on. And on. And on.

Boy, success really bothers you liberals.
--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

In article , Ann
wrote:

(paghat) expounded:

you silly liar

On and on and on you go. You silly idiot.

You get credit at least for not denying your lies.

Boy, success really bothers you liberals.

Again, you lack substance, but then you got caught out in such enormous
lies & misrepresentations; all you can do now is pretend "liberal!" is an
insult. To hate liberals is to hate concern for the environment; to hate
concern for the elderly, the very young, or the poor; to hate the
empowerment of labor; to hate equal access to health care; to hate
egalitarnianism & civil rights & fair wages & women's equality & the
40-hour work week with overtime pay; to hate Social Security; to hate
rural electrification & all else that ever came about due to the efforts
of liberals. But to LOVE how Bushleaguers managed to stop the Black vote
in Florida, LOVE the decimation of the last few old growth forests; LOVE
the extinction of wildlife; LOVE Arnold's friendships with nazi
war-criminals; LOVE over 1,000 American soldiers killed for Bush's pretend
excuses like Weapons of Mass Destruction that never existed or for a
Terrorist Connection to the Twin Towers that is a complete fabrication;
LOVE how Bush enriches Haliburtan & other oil buddies even on the backs of
dead Americans; LOVE how Bush avoided going to Vietnam but OF COURSE hate
a man who volunteered & served heroically. Yes, to cretins such as
yourself all things good can seem nasty, & at good things you spew
"Liberal!" as your choicest hate-word.

And never mind that I'd personally much more greatly fit (if any label)
that of civil libertarian so your own name-calling is a bit like calling
this particular ****ing yid a ****ing wop; you can call me Liberal even
so, I don't mind. You can even call me ****** if you like too, because I
don't despise blacks either, so it doesn't hurt my feelings. But I do
despise ignorance, thus you really creep me out. At least I can tell good
from evil & unlike you would never mistake a liberal for anything
horrifying. Your problem is you're so full of hatred & ignorance & a
self-destructive preference for those who certainly don't have YOUR
trailer trash interests in mind, so steeped in your own lies that the best
you can do is embrace that antisemitic friend of a nazi war criminal &
pretend you hung out with him in his stonemason days. So do stick to your
guns that you've chosen the right creep for your personal hero. I've no
doubt he's a MUCH more appropriate fantasy-friend for your type than would
be Bruno Kreisky or Golda Meier.

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com