It's warming up here. Send 'em over to me, I'll have 'em What colours did
you get?

Jani

"Aunty Kreist" wrote in message
...
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do- keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

"Jani" wrote in message
...
It's warming up here. Send 'em over to me, I'll have 'em What colours
did
you get?

Jani

Yellow, orangish-yellow, pink, hot pink, and deep red.

Crikey, my brother in law was gonna build me a trellis for my roses, only
they're here already, and we haven't even gotten the wood yet!



"Aunty Kreist" wrote in message
...
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
Women's works just as well...I promise. All human urine contains
urea, (converted nitrogen; a component of fertilisers)) and that's what
activates compost heaps, not hormones.
Janet

Well, you learn something new everyday....
-Keth

In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do- keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Jani" wrote in message
...
It's warming up here. Send 'em over to me, I'll have 'em What colours
did
you get?

Jani

Yellow, orangish-yellow, pink, hot pink, and deep red.

Crikey, my brother in law was gonna build me a trellis for my roses, only
they're here already, and we haven't even gotten the wood yet!

Don't worry about it.. Its going to be some time before they sprout, and
they wont make an exceptional amount of growth in the first years, they
will be making roots to stabilise themselves, as long as you put your
trellis in for next years growth you will be fine, Just plant the roses
about a foot away from where the trellis will be dug in. Never put them
to near a trellis, arch or wall, they can get to dry at the roots, a
foot or nine inches away will give them plenty of soil around their
base... Roses are easy honestly.... they are really tough and they will
grow as long as when you plant them you firm them in well..



"Aunty Kreist" wrote in message
...
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?







--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do- keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a clay
soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good runoff,
before you put the compost and roots in.
--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

Janet Baraclough wrote in
:

The message
from Shez contains these words:

One of the best tips I have for compost is to get the man in your
life to go out and water it...preferably night time, lets not shock
the neighbours male urine acts as a catalyst and the compost heap
heats up a lot quicker and composts a lot faster, its a lot cheaper
than buying chemicals to improve your compost heap...
Only men I am afraid, it doesn't work with female urine, apparently
its the hormones that men produce that do the trick.

Women's works just as well...I promise. All human urine contains
urea, (converted nitrogen; a component of fertilisers)) and that's
what activates compost heaps, not hormones.
Janet


I guess that male urine is typically higher in urea due to diet.
However, and more practically, male urine comes with a much more
convenient extensor schlong applicator.

If you eat a lot of processed foods, take a lot of meds or have a SWMBO
that will smack the living crap out of you, you probably shouldn't.

(Woman: Hmm, the toilet seat has been down an awful lot lately, I wonder
if my DH has been peeing in the garden again. leaves to get rolling
pin)

Shez wrote:
In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist
Aunty_Kreist@ satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing
roses. They arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of
the zones you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape.
Stems are nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped
in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I
do- keep roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark
place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the
place your storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from
the water vapour in the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course
dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them
into pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It
doesn't need to be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool
it will slow down the growth and make planting easier if they are
not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold
or wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough
to take the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse
manure helps, and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then
the rose roots, so that the join at the root and the stem where
the modern rose has been grafted on are above the earth, and
doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil back in and press it down
hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm the roots in and
then water it well.. After that go away and ignore it... the more
you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a
clay soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good
runoff, before you put the compost and roots in.

Adding sand and gravel to clay makes cement. Add lots of organic matter
to your clay soil.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:33:57 GMT, with express permission from Pope Urban VIII, "Travis"
decreed:

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

I'm not entirely sure if I'm zone 5 or zone 6. I sit on top of a hill with Tumwater on one side and Olympia on the
other. I assume if I can see the harbor, I'm zone 5, but elevation might be a factor?

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do- keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.


Thanks for the advice, Shez. I looked- they weren't wrapped in moss after
all, I mistook the roots as moss. They were wettened though. I wrapped the
roots in newspaper, and put the roses on our enclosed front porch. ( it's
very cool out there) Fingers crossed they turn out OK.

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a clay
soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good runoff,
before you put the compost and roots in.

We do have soil that has heavy orange colored clay. I usually get a bunch of
topsoil every year, and had wanted to dig out a hole 2x what's needed for
the roses, fill with the topsoil, then put the roses in. I saw at Home Depot
that they also sell soil especially for roses, I might try that out and see
how it works.



--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Questions

Amazing a gardener who doesn't love horse pucky... best thing in the
world for roses... cant get enough of it personally..

If horseshit is good for roses then yours must be the size of bowling balls

--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

To give Tales his due, he is a talented and able witch. However he is a
negative energy and will show you the "highlights" of a negatively applied
system.

http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft

© 2005 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved

"Questions" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:10:40 GMT, "Kethera" wrote:

Some of the herbs I use for cooking, some for spell work

Cross posting from alt.religion.wicca to rec.gardens is a tad weird,
but being in wicca or any religious cult is weird anyway.

Right, we should all be good normal xians who cut our nuts off so we can fly
on comets and give our kids poison kool-aid


Please, keep your hocus-pokus crap where it belongs, not in a
newsgroup for gardeners. If some person from alt.pedophile posts that
they use lettuce for garnishing their victims genitalia, it doesn't
mean that gardeners should have to listen to their crap either.

Like gardeners are some elite, social group. Ha! A bunch of fags and old
women who throw shit around and then brag about a natural process they have
nothing to do with.
I am in awe


Go away or stop talking about your wicca bull. You insult everyone's
intelligence by just suggesting that horse pucky should be given
credence.

Just as long as we haven't insulted you


--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

To give Tales his due, he is a talented and able witch. However he is a
negative energy and will show you the "highlights" of a negatively applied
system.

http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft

© 2005 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved

In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a clay
soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good runoff,
before you put the compost and roots in.

We do have soil that has heavy orange colored clay. I usually get a bunch of
topsoil every year, and had wanted to dig out a hole 2x what's needed for
the roses, fill with the topsoil, then put the roses in. I saw at Home Depot
that they also sell soil especially for roses, I might try that out and see
how it works.

That would be a very expensive way of planting roses, some well rotted
horse manure mixed with compost, and a little bone will make any rose
happy... They love horse manure.
If you have a stable nearby go and ask if you can buy some they normally
sell huge bags for pennies they are really glad to get rid of it.



--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/



--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

While clay/sand/gravel isn't quite equivalent to cement (more properly
concrete) it is not the best way to improve a clay soil.

The gravel in concrete is not there to improve the appearance or provide
traction. It is there to add strength. Cement (the part of concrete that
hardens) has little strength in tension or shear by itself. It is very
strong in compression. Gravel adds to the shear strength. Steel
reinforcing adds to the tension strength.

Gravel or sand by themselves have good porosity and drain well. However,
if well mixed with clay, the clay will fill the porous spaces and
inhibit drainage. Since it is difficult to mix clay with gravel or sand
really well, there will be an improvement in drainage ability when they
are first mixed. However, with the passage of time (and water), the clay
will migrate into the spaces between the gravel/sand particles and it
will become impermeable again, so this solution is temporary (a couple
of, or maybe a few, years).

Organic material is better at improving clay soil for drainage for
several reasons. Initially, the mixture is just like the clay/sand
mixture, and provides spaces for the water to pass through. As the clay
washes into the spaces, the organic material decomposes, providing new
spaces. In this way, the clay/organic mix will remain permeable longer
than the clay/gravel mix. Of course this also means the organic material
has to be renewed regularly to keep the system permeable.

Also, the organic material will provide nutrients for plants (more so
than the clay/sand/gravel), and the action of roots in the soil is by
far the best way to keep the soil permeable.



Shez wrote:
...clip...
Gravel is gravel. Tiny chips of stone.. They do use it in cement to give
a more natural appearance and better footing in the rain, but adding
sand doesn't make it cement.