"Travis" wrote in message
news:kbPVd.76830$wc.13376@trnddc07...
You need lime and sand for cement not clay.

Wrong.

P L O N K !

--NOW Travis, Shez is just thinking of Quickcrete contents. And yes, lime
and sand DOES make concrete, but where I live where the soil is RED clay,
adding sand DOES tend to make something resembling bricks..........but
compost, sand, tiny pea gravel DOES help break clay of anykind up. don't
plonk someone just because of their answers (or do what you like, you will
anyway, lets get along here, ok? sheezh!
maddie

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses. They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape. Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do- keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle, firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.


Thanks for the advice, Shez. I looked- they weren't wrapped in moss after
all, I mistook the roots as moss. They were wettened though. I wrapped the
roots in newspaper, and put the roses on our enclosed front porch. ( it's
very cool out there) Fingers crossed they turn out OK.

They should be fine, just keep an eye on them to see if they start
shooting, with a bit of luck it will be cool enough on your porch to
keep them dormant until you get them into the ground.



--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

I frelling LOVE it. children quit throwing the spells around and the curses,
evil eyes and bad thoughts and think SPRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but on
the other hand, we really haven't had a good old fashioned FOOD FIGHT to
relieve the tensions in awhile, so fling away. in between the words and
mumbles, are some hilarious retorts, comebacks and snickers. I love this
newsgroup! This is why I visit even if I don't always contribute what some
would think is trite ramblings.

garden note: my Siberian crocus are blooming again! woo hoo!!
madgardener up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler, overlooking English
Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7?, Sunset zone 36 where I have CLAY
that I put compost, pea gravel, sand and leaves into all the time to work it
down and so far, NO CEMENT, no BRICKS! LOL

"The Cunning Linguist :Þ" wrote in message
...

"Questions" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:10:40 GMT, "Kethera" wrote:

Some of the herbs I use for cooking, some for spell work

Cross posting from alt.religion.wicca to rec.gardens is a tad weird,
but being in wicca or any religious cult is weird anyway.

Right, we should all be good normal xians who cut our nuts off so we can
fly
on comets and give our kids poison kool-aid


Please, keep your hocus-pokus crap where it belongs, not in a
newsgroup for gardeners. If some person from alt.pedophile posts that
they use lettuce for garnishing their victims genitalia, it doesn't
mean that gardeners should have to listen to their crap either.

Like gardeners are some elite, social group. Ha! A bunch of fags and old
women who throw shit around and then brag about a natural process they
have
nothing to do with.
I am in awe


Go away or stop talking about your wicca bull. You insult everyone's
intelligence by just suggesting that horse pucky should be given
credence.

Just as long as we haven't insulted you


--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

To give Tales his due, he is a talented and able witch. However he is a
negative energy and will show you the "highlights" of a negatively applied
system.

http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft

© 2005 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved

In article , dps
writes
While clay/sand/gravel isn't quite equivalent to cement (more properly
concrete) it is not the best way to improve a clay soil.

The gravel in concrete is not there to improve the appearance or provide
traction. It is there to add strength. Cement (the part of concrete that
hardens) has little strength in tension or shear by itself. It is very
strong in compression. Gravel adds to the shear strength. Steel
reinforcing adds to the tension strength.

Gravel or sand by themselves have good porosity and drain well. However,
if well mixed with clay, the clay will fill the porous spaces and
inhibit drainage. Since it is difficult to mix clay with gravel or sand
really well, there will be an improvement in drainage ability when they
are first mixed. However, with the passage of time (and water), the clay
will migrate into the spaces between the gravel/sand particles and it
will become impermeable again, so this solution is temporary (a couple
of, or maybe a few, years).

Organic material is better at improving clay soil for drainage for
several reasons. Initially, the mixture is just like the clay/sand
mixture, and provides spaces for the water to pass through. As the clay
washes into the spaces, the organic material decomposes, providing new
spaces. In this way, the clay/organic mix will remain permeable longer
than the clay/gravel mix. Of course this also means the organic material
has to be renewed regularly to keep the system permeable.

Also, the organic material will provide nutrients for plants (more so
than the clay/sand/gravel), and the action of roots in the soil is by
far the best way to keep the soil permeable.


Thank your for your explanation, clay is always a problem and we all
have our own ways of dealing with it, I find sand and gravel as well as
compost help, as I normally put down bark chips on soil to over winter,
that gets dug in when I tidy up during the spring. I don't have a huge
clay problem and in fact use the worst patch as a bog garden.. But in
other areas where I did have clay I have used all of the above to
improve the soil drainage, and I also have used in friends gardens where
clay was a real problem drainage pipes that are filled with sand or
gravel and placed down into a layer of soil through the layers of clay.
That however is a major garden undertaking and not something I would
want to do if its possible to avoid it.
When clay is dry it becomes cement like and cracks... the gravel and
sand help to stop that happening, by allowing water from lower down the
wick up into the clay layers.
We are all gardeners and we all have our own way of dealing with
problems, We use what works for us.. If it works then its something you
use again and remember. I have found sand and gravel plus compost works
in breaking up clay, I have also found ash from wood fires helps to, but
not everyone has ash laying around the garden these days, or can light
bonfires.
When coal and wood fires were normal before central heating ash would
be saved to use on the garden and it would be dug in to clay soil. Leaf
litter from trees helps but not all of us live near a forest.
Knowing what might be available to a gardener is part of gardening.
The best answer to clay is to dig it out, but you often cant do that...
especially if their are large amounts of clay and the cost of
replacement topsoil would be horrendous.

I am not a builder, so I will take your word on the concrete,


Shez wrote:
...clip...
Gravel is gravel. Tiny chips of stone.. They do use it in cement to give
a more natural appearance and better footing in the rain, but adding
sand doesn't make it cement.


--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

In article , madgardener
writes

"Travis" wrote in message
news:kbPVd.76830$wc.13376@trnddc07...
You need lime and sand for cement not clay.

Wrong.

P L O N K !

--NOW Travis, Shez is just thinking of Quickcrete contents. And yes, lime
and sand DOES make concrete, but where I live where the soil is RED clay,
adding sand DOES tend to make something resembling bricks..........but
compost, sand, tiny pea gravel DOES help break clay of anykind up. don't
plonk someone just because of their answers (or do what you like, you will
anyway, lets get along here, ok? sheezh!
maddie

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

Red clay... you have my sympathy that stuff is really sticky...





--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

dps wrote:
While clay/sand/gravel isn't quite equivalent to cement (more
properly concrete) it is not the best way to improve a clay soil.

The gravel in concrete is not there to improve the appearance or
provide traction. It is there to add strength. Cement (the part of
concrete that hardens) has little strength in tension or shear by
itself. It is very strong in compression. Gravel adds to the shear
strength. Steel reinforcing adds to the tension strength.

Gravel or sand by themselves have good porosity and drain well.
However, if well mixed with clay, the clay will fill the porous
spaces and inhibit drainage. Since it is difficult to mix clay with
gravel or sand really well, there will be an improvement in
drainage ability when they are first mixed. However, with the
passage of time (and water), the clay will migrate into the spaces
between the gravel/sand particles and it will become impermeable
again, so this solution is temporary (a couple of, or maybe a few,
years).

Organic material is better at improving clay soil for drainage for
several reasons. Initially, the mixture is just like the clay/sand
mixture, and provides spaces for the water to pass through. As the
clay washes into the spaces, the organic material decomposes,
providing new spaces. In this way, the clay/organic mix will remain
permeable longer than the clay/gravel mix. Of course this also
means the organic material has to be renewed regularly to keep the
system permeable.

Also, the organic material will provide nutrients for plants (more
so than the clay/sand/gravel), and the action of roots in the soil
is by far the best way to keep the soil permeable.

See. dps said the same thing I said only a lot better.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

Janet Baraclough wrote:
... The versatile range of the compact concealed applicator, is a well
kept secret. ...



The chamber pot is also a useful tool. The whole family can use it.

I'm in NC with heavy red clay. I just break up the clay, mix in some
organic matter and top soil, and plant. I've never had a rose die of
lack of nutrients or water. I've lost plenty to Black Spot, but not
to the clay soil.

Don't bother with the special soil for roses, it'll only waste your
money.


On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:06:34 -0500, "Aunty Kreist"
wrote:



We do have soil that has heavy orange colored clay. I usually get a bunch of
topsoil every year, and had wanted to dig out a hole 2x what's needed for
the roses, fill with the topsoil, then put the roses in. I saw at Home Depot
that they also sell soil especially for roses, I might try that out and see
how it works.



--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist
Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses.
They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape.
Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place
your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour
in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure
helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots,
so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your
soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle,
firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a clay
soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good runoff,
before you put the compost and roots in.

We do have soil that has heavy orange colored clay. I usually get a bunch
of
topsoil every year, and had wanted to dig out a hole 2x what's needed for
the roses, fill with the topsoil, then put the roses in. I saw at Home
Depot
that they also sell soil especially for roses, I might try that out and
see
how it works.

That would be a very expensive way of planting roses, some well rotted
horse manure mixed with compost, and a little bone will make any rose
happy... They love horse manure.
If you have a stable nearby go and ask if you can buy some they normally
sell huge bags for pennies they are really glad to get rid of it.


Hee hee,,,,my good friend is a horse caretaker for a stable, I'll ask him to
bag me up some manure.

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
I frelling LOVE it. children quit throwing the spells around and the
curses,
evil eyes and bad thoughts and think SPRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but
on
the other hand, we really haven't had a good old fashioned FOOD FIGHT to
relieve the tensions in awhile, so fling away. in between the words and
mumbles, are some hilarious retorts, comebacks and snickers. I love this
newsgroup! This is why I visit even if I don't always contribute what some
would think is trite ramblings.

garden note: my Siberian crocus are blooming again! woo hoo!!
madgardener up on the ridge, back in Faerie Holler, overlooking English
Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, zone 7?, Sunset zone 36 where I have CLAY
that I put compost, pea gravel, sand and leaves into all the time to work
it
down and so far, NO CEMENT, no BRICKS! LOL

Don't mind the ARW troll. He only knows how to grow an appetite for hot
dogs.

Spring is almost here!


"The Cunning Linguist :Þ" wrote in message
...

"Questions" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:10:40 GMT, "Kethera" wrote:

Some of the herbs I use for cooking, some for spell work

Cross posting from alt.religion.wicca to rec.gardens is a tad weird,
but being in wicca or any religious cult is weird anyway.

Right, we should all be good normal xians who cut our nuts off so we can
fly
on comets and give our kids poison kool-aid


Please, keep your hocus-pokus crap where it belongs, not in a
newsgroup for gardeners. If some person from alt.pedophile posts that
they use lettuce for garnishing their victims genitalia, it doesn't
mean that gardeners should have to listen to their crap either.

Like gardeners are some elite, social group. Ha! A bunch of fags and old
women who throw shit around and then brag about a natural process they
have
nothing to do with.
I am in awe


Go away or stop talking about your wicca bull. You insult everyone's
intelligence by just suggesting that horse pucky should be given
credence.

Just as long as we haven't insulted you


--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)

To give Tales his due, he is a talented and able witch. However he is a
negative energy and will show you the "highlights" of a negatively
applied
system.

http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft

© 2005 by Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft. All rights reserved

In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist
Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses.
They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape.
Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place
your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour
in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure
helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots,
so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your
soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle,
firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a clay
soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good runoff,
before you put the compost and roots in.

We do have soil that has heavy orange colored clay. I usually get a bunch
of
topsoil every year, and had wanted to dig out a hole 2x what's needed for
the roses, fill with the topsoil, then put the roses in. I saw at Home
Depot
that they also sell soil especially for roses, I might try that out and
see
how it works.

That would be a very expensive way of planting roses, some well rotted
horse manure mixed with compost, and a little bone will make any rose
happy... They love horse manure.
If you have a stable nearby go and ask if you can buy some they normally
sell huge bags for pennies they are really glad to get rid of it.


Hee hee,,,,my good friend is a horse caretaker for a stable, I'll ask him to
bag me up some manure.

Well you fell on your feet, send some of it my way
Tuck it into a nice sheltered part of the garden with the rest of your
compost materials and let it steam away happily for a few weeks, if its
frosty and cold it will help break it down..keep turning it, and
persuade the man in your life to urinate over the compost heap.. That
will give a kick start to the process... By the time you put those roses
in the ground they will be sitting on the equivalent of the earths crown
jewels.. The best compost you can find.

You couldn't buy anything from any shop that was half as good..

--
Shez
Shez's Garden at http://www.oldcity.f2s.com/shez/

"Shez" wrote in message
news
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist
Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Shez
writes
In article , Aunty Kreist
Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses.
They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of
the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape.
Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I
do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place
your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water
vapour
in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them
into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need
to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down
the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold
or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to
take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure
helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose
roots,
so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has
been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your
soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle,
firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.



Oh I forgot to say roses don't like soggy roots so if you have a
clay
soil break it up well put in sand and gravel to provide good runoff,
before you put the compost and roots in.

We do have soil that has heavy orange colored clay. I usually get a
bunch
of
topsoil every year, and had wanted to dig out a hole 2x what's needed
for
the roses, fill with the topsoil, then put the roses in. I saw at Home
Depot
that they also sell soil especially for roses, I might try that out
and
see
how it works.

That would be a very expensive way of planting roses, some well rotted
horse manure mixed with compost, and a little bone will make any rose
happy... They love horse manure.
If you have a stable nearby go and ask if you can buy some they
normally
sell huge bags for pennies they are really glad to get rid of it.


Hee hee,,,,my good friend is a horse caretaker for a stable, I'll ask him
to
bag me up some manure.

Well you fell on your feet, send some of it my way
Tuck it into a nice sheltered part of the garden with the rest of your
compost materials and let it steam away happily for a few weeks, if its
frosty and cold it will help break it down..keep turning it, and
persuade the man in your life to urinate over the compost heap.. That
will give a kick start to the process... By the time you put those roses
in the ground they will be sitting on the equivalent of the earths crown
jewels.. The best compost you can find.

You couldn't buy anything from any shop that was half as good..

Oy, but I can just imagine the smell!
Ewwww....and I have to touch it? :P

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes

"Shez" wrote in message
...
In article , Aunty Kreist
Aunty_Kreist@
satanickittens.net writes
Hey Shez-
Have a quick question.....

The #$%$@* nursey I order from has just shipped my climbing roses.
They
arrived today.

What the heck? They are supposed to ship at the planting times of the
zones
you live in....Dangit!

There's 6 inches of snow currently on the ground.
Will the roses be OK? They are bare root, and in very good shape.
Stems
are
nice and green, and the roots are very moist ( wrapped in moss).

Will they be OK if I store them for about a month? What should I do-
keep
roots moist with the moss and store in a cool, dark place?

Don't put the moss in water simply put a bowl of water in the place
your
storing them in so the that moss will keep damp from the water vapour
in
the room. Cool but not freezing, and of course dark..
You got it. Keep an eye on them, if they start to sprout, which is
possible now they are in moss and have been watered then pop them into
pots on a well lit windowsill or near a glass door. It doesn't need to
be a warm place.. In fact its better if its cool it will slow down the
growth and make planting easier if they are not to far advanced.

Don't worry roses will keep well just as bare roots with a bit of
newspaper around them for weeks. The are pretty hardy.

Once the ground is no longer frozen, it doesn't matter if its cold or
wet, as long as the ground isn't soggy, dig a hole big enough to take
the root system... a bit of compost with well rotted horse manure
helps,
and a bit of bone meal. Put them into the hole, then the rose roots, so
that the join at the root and the stem where the modern rose has been
grafted on are above the earth, and doesn't get to wet. Shovel your
soil
back in and press it down hard with your boots, don't be to gentle,
firm
the roots in and then water it well.. After that go away and ignore
it... the more you ignore it the better it will do.


Thanks for the advice, Shez. I looked- they weren't wrapped in moss
after
all, I mistook the roots as moss. They were wettened though. I wrapped
the
roots in newspaper, and put the roses on our enclosed front porch. ( it's
very cool out there) Fingers crossed they turn out OK.

They should be fine, just keep an eye on them to see if they start
shooting, with a bit of luck it will be cool enough on your porch to
keep them dormant until you get them into the ground.

Hee hee! We can hope.......

On another note, there is a flower and garden expo in town here this
weekend, I hope to visit it tomorrow. I better not bring too much money with
me!

dps wrote in news:4228ab57$0$572$b45e6eb0
@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu:

Janet Baraclough wrote:
... The versatile range of the compact concealed applicator, is a well
kept secret. ...



The chamber pot is also a useful tool. The whole family can use it.

Speaking of chamber pots, there use to be a technological innovation called
the Internet Toilet (not the Micro$oft Internet Toilet). I guess they
don't sell it any more because it was basically a jug marked "Internet
toilet". Big seller, I guess. Not sure if it was suitable for women,
versatile range or no.

Janet Baraclough wrote in
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The message ybNVd.65862$Dc.51357@trnddc06
from Salty Thumb contains these words:


I guess that male urine is typically higher in urea due to diet.

Over here, men and women living in the same household eat the same
diet. I don't hold with making men eat humble pie, their hat, their own
words etc..not more than once a week, anyway.

Around here, the same food may be on the table, but not everyone eats the
same portions or even the same things. All you have to do is ask "who
gonna eat the last pork chop" and "who gonna eat the tofu burger". Of
course there are a lot of exceptions, which is why I said "typically".

However, and more practically, male urine comes with a much more
convenient extensor schlong applicator.

The versatile range of the compact concealed applicator, is a well
kept secret.

Janet.

Next time I want to get smacked I'll ask some women who are um queued for
the WC if that is true.