Kenni Judd wrote:
K -- Maybe I'm missing something, but would it really be that difficult for
AOS to arrange with RHS to receive a copy of the grex registration (directly
from RHS) when a provisionally-awarded plant is named? Or at least to
provide some written instructions to the exhibitor, with the provisional
award? Kenni



Well, actually, yes it would. How's the RHS gonna know the AOS has
given out a provisional award and needs the new name? Plus, who's
physically gonna do that work? On a daily basis? Me? You? Sit and
wait for an email from the RHS, where someone on that end has to sit and
wait until the check (cheque) clears and the name can be typed up? Then
send it to you or me. Then we then have to retype it into whatever
format we need so the information is useable for print, webpages or
whathave you? Send it to the web master for the webpage, and
disseminate it to Wildactt or Orchidwiz or Bronstein for his program??
Get real.

Hence the need for award programs that are updated frequently. I go to
the RHS site and download the .pdfs for the new registrations, but those
are just 'lists' until I see a plant that I need to know about. And
even then I don't look at them. I look a plant up in Wildcatt or
OrchidWiz. Failing that I look in the Fisher's Bishops, or (last
resort) the index of the latest AQ.

I've been tracking the provisionals for the Pac Central for a year and
its a real pain in the ass. IMHO there's a very few exhibitors who
follow up in a timely manner and even *then* the process seems to take a
year before you see the award published in the AQ and the exhibitor gets
their slide etc. Its not like exhibitors are your employees where you
can hound them every second. "Did you get your work done?? We're on a
dealine you know. You're not being a *team player*, you're dropping the
ball. This is going to delay your award...." You can't do that.

The judges have their own lives, exhibitors have their own lives,
paperwork gets handled as soon as possible, and chased after whenever
you feel like taking on a challenge - like I don't have enough of that
in my life already. By that time, the glow of having gotten a award has
faded, the process becomes "work", and the exhibitor has enough of that
in their lives aleady, so they stall and whine and say they don't want
the award after all. But the photos have already been taken, the film
processed and money has been spent on their plant, so someone's gotta
pay for that. Its maddening.

There's enough blame for how f*cked up the system is on BOTH sides of
the street. A pox on both our houses.

Maybe we should just stop giving awards...

K Barrett

K -- Garnet Glory was awarded at the WPB judging center (before HQ was
built), Ocean Storm was awarded at the Delray Beach OS Show. In neither
case did I get anything besides the judging form with the award sticker on
it. Kenni


It would be nice to give some written instructions to the exhibitor,
though. Maybe even a copy of the registration form. Unfortunately, I
don't think that is going to happen on an organized level. Now that it
has been brought to my attention (never thought about it before), I'll
make sure to keep a few extra copies of the forms in my judging kit. But
that is just me. Maybe it is one step towards changing the world...

Rob




WHAT?

You don't give out instructions on how to register an unnamed hybrid or
how to get an unidentified orchid identified??? Say its not so! Say I'm
misreading that.

K Barrett

Hi, K: RHS knows the AOS gave out a provisional award when I send in a
registration, because I put it on the form. One more line on the form would
let them know who at AOS to notify, or at least which judging center (where
somebody should be checking mail at least a couple times a week). RHS
already has to send me back the registration; a cc to the appropriate AOS
person would add maybe 5 seconds to the RHS person's job? and should give
the AOS person the info needed to get the award "on track." [Which might
make a couple extra lines on the form, but really shouldn't be an
insurmountable challenge.]

But failing that, I would certainly make sure the right AOS person got a
copy when I got mine -- had I been told in either case who that person was
.... or even that I needed to.

I didn't say anything about disseminating the award info to commercial
database producers like WildCatt or OrchidWiz. I was talking only about
communication between RHS and AOS, and between AOS and the exhibitor.

I think that reducing the delay in the process would make your job easier,
not harder. Kenni

"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
Kenni Judd wrote:
K -- Maybe I'm missing something, but would it really be that difficult
for AOS to arrange with RHS to receive a copy of the grex registration
(directly from RHS) when a provisionally-awarded plant is named? Or at
least to provide some written instructions to the exhibitor, with the
provisional award? Kenni


Well, actually, yes it would. How's the RHS gonna know the AOS has given
out a provisional award and needs the new name? Plus, who's physically
gonna do that work? On a daily basis? Me? You? Sit and wait for an
email from the RHS, where someone on that end has to sit and wait until
the check (cheque) clears and the name can be typed up? Then send it to
you or me. Then we then have to retype it into whatever format we need so
the information is useable for print, webpages or whathave you? Send it
to the web master for the webpage, and disseminate it to Wildactt or
Orchidwiz or Bronstein for his program?? Get real.

Hence the need for award programs that are updated frequently. I go to
the RHS site and download the .pdfs for the new registrations, but those
are just 'lists' until I see a plant that I need to know about. And even
then I don't look at them. I look a plant up in Wildcatt or OrchidWiz.
Failing that I look in the Fisher's Bishops, or (last resort) the index of
the latest AQ.

I've been tracking the provisionals for the Pac Central for a year and its
a real pain in the ass. IMHO there's a very few exhibitors who follow up
in a timely manner and even *then* the process seems to take a year before
you see the award published in the AQ and the exhibitor gets their slide
etc. Its not like exhibitors are your employees where you can hound them
every second. "Did you get your work done?? We're on a dealine you know.
You're not being a *team player*, you're dropping the ball. This is going
to delay your award...." You can't do that.

The judges have their own lives, exhibitors have their own lives,
paperwork gets handled as soon as possible, and chased after whenever you
feel like taking on a challenge - like I don't have enough of that in my
life already. By that time, the glow of having gotten a award has faded,
the process becomes "work", and the exhibitor has enough of that in their
lives aleady, so they stall and whine and say they don't want the award
after all. But the photos have already been taken, the film processed and
money has been spent on their plant, so someone's gotta pay for that. Its
maddening.

There's enough blame for how f*cked up the system is on BOTH sides of the
street. A pox on both our houses.

Maybe we should just stop giving awards...

K Barrett

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
..... clip..........
It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email messages on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a copy for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to fend
for itself G. Kenni


Kenni & Rob -
I would love that packet when Rob gets it completed. I can cover
RMJC (Denver).

(As Sundance said to Butch Cassidy)

Keep thinking, Butch, That's what you're good at.

K


Kenni Judd wrote:
Hi, K: RHS knows the AOS gave out a provisional award when I send in a
registration, because I put it on the form. One more line on the form would
let them know who at AOS to notify, or at least which judging center (where
somebody should be checking mail at least a couple times a week). RHS
already has to send me back the registration; a cc to the appropriate AOS
person would add maybe 5 seconds to the RHS person's job? and should give
the AOS person the info needed to get the award "on track." [Which might
make a couple extra lines on the form, but really shouldn't be an
insurmountable challenge.]

But failing that, I would certainly make sure the right AOS person got a
copy when I got mine -- had I been told in either case who that person was
... or even that I needed to.

I didn't say anything about disseminating the award info to commercial
database producers like WildCatt or OrchidWiz. I was talking only about
communication between RHS and AOS, and between AOS and the exhibitor.

I think that reducing the delay in the process would make your job easier,
not harder. Kenni

"K Barrett" wrote in message
...

Kenni Judd wrote:

K -- Maybe I'm missing something, but would it really be that difficult
for AOS to arrange with RHS to receive a copy of the grex registration
(directly from RHS) when a provisionally-awarded plant is named? Or at
least to provide some written instructions to the exhibitor, with the
provisional award? Kenni


Well, actually, yes it would. How's the RHS gonna know the AOS has given
out a provisional award and needs the new name? Plus, who's physically
gonna do that work? On a daily basis? Me? You? Sit and wait for an
email from the RHS, where someone on that end has to sit and wait until
the check (cheque) clears and the name can be typed up? Then send it to
you or me. Then we then have to retype it into whatever format we need so
the information is useable for print, webpages or whathave you? Send it
to the web master for the webpage, and disseminate it to Wildactt or
Orchidwiz or Bronstein for his program?? Get real.

Hence the need for award programs that are updated frequently. I go to
the RHS site and download the .pdfs for the new registrations, but those
are just 'lists' until I see a plant that I need to know about. And even
then I don't look at them. I look a plant up in Wildcatt or OrchidWiz.
Failing that I look in the Fisher's Bishops, or (last resort) the index of
the latest AQ.

I've been tracking the provisionals for the Pac Central for a year and its
a real pain in the ass. IMHO there's a very few exhibitors who follow up
in a timely manner and even *then* the process seems to take a year before
you see the award published in the AQ and the exhibitor gets their slide
etc. Its not like exhibitors are your employees where you can hound them
every second. "Did you get your work done?? We're on a dealine you know.
You're not being a *team player*, you're dropping the ball. This is going
to delay your award...." You can't do that.

The judges have their own lives, exhibitors have their own lives,
paperwork gets handled as soon as possible, and chased after whenever you
feel like taking on a challenge - like I don't have enough of that in my
life already. By that time, the glow of having gotten a award has faded,
the process becomes "work", and the exhibitor has enough of that in their
lives aleady, so they stall and whine and say they don't want the award
after all. But the photos have already been taken, the film processed and
money has been spent on their plant, so someone's gotta pay for that. Its
maddening.

There's enough blame for how f*cked up the system is on BOTH sides of the
street. A pox on both our houses.

Maybe we should just stop giving awards...

K Barrett

K Barrett wrote:
Rob wrote:


You don't give out instructions on how to register an unnamed hybrid or
how to get an unidentified orchid identified??? Say its not so! Say
I'm misreading that.

K Barrett

No, I don't think we do. Of course I or anybody else is always happy to
tell an exhibitor how to go about those things, but we don't have a
piece of paper with instructions on it. If we do, I have never seen it,
and I've had to do both of the above activities more than once for my
own awards.

Now, it could be possible that we have been lulled into complacency.
95% of the things that need identification in our center probably come
from one of two people, and they are both judges. It is trivially easy
to register a new hybrid, if you know who produced it, or at least it
seems that way to all of us 'old hands'. So we may not always think
about the exhibitor who is new to the process or at least new to getting
something registered. Our center chair would of course follow through
on any awards that were still outstanding, she is pretty good about that.

I think it all boils down to experience. The judges have more
experience than most growers, which is to be expected, and unless we
actively think about what other people may _not_ know, it is hard to
anticipate the questions ahead of time. So, for my own purposes, I've
been reminded that not everybody knows how to register a new hybrid, and
I'll make sure to ask and offer assistance. Best I can do... I will
probably bring it up at our next business meeting, as well.

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Rob wrote:
K Barrett wrote:

Rob wrote:



You don't give out instructions on how to register an unnamed hybrid
or how to get an unidentified orchid identified??? Say its not so!
Say I'm misreading that.

K Barrett


No, I don't think we do. Of course I or anybody else is always happy to
tell an exhibitor how to go about those things, but we don't have a
piece of paper with instructions on it. If we do, I have never seen it,
and I've had to do both of the above activities more than once for my
own awards.

Now, it could be possible that we have been lulled into complacency. 95%
of the things that need identification in our center probably come from
one of two people, and they are both judges. It is trivially easy to
register a new hybrid, if you know who produced it, or at least it seems
that way to all of us 'old hands'. So we may not always think about the
exhibitor who is new to the process or at least new to getting something
registered. Our center chair would of course follow through on any
awards that were still outstanding, she is pretty good about that.

I think it all boils down to experience. The judges have more
experience than most growers, which is to be expected, and unless we
actively think about what other people may _not_ know, it is hard to
anticipate the questions ahead of time. So, for my own purposes, I've
been reminded that not everybody knows how to register a new hybrid, and
I'll make sure to ask and offer assistance. Best I can do... I will
probably bring it up at our next business meeting, as well.

Rob


And I'm going to ask that we add the form for registering a hybrid along
with the instruction sheet. Why not?

K

K -- The RHS form can be downloaded from
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registration_orchids.asp . A paper copy would
be a nice courtesy, but the url would be enough for most folks. [And RHS
takes plastic, so there's no delay for checques to clear. Even with just
regular airmail postage, the RHS registration takes only 10-14 days, start
to finish.]

I hope your instructions won't stop there, but will go on to advise the
exhibitor what to do _after_ s/he gets the registration papers back from
RHS.

Kenni

And I'm going to ask that we add the form for registering a hybrid along
with the instruction sheet. Why not?

K

I know a judge for North Carolina...send it on to me too.
Murri

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
.... clip..........
It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded
secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email messages on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at
least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a copy
for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to fend
for itself G. Kenni


Kenni & Rob -
I would love that packet when Rob gets it completed. I can cover
RMJC (Denver).

Hey, which OS are you in, Nick? I live in Mooresville, and am in CVOS.
Murri
wrote in message
oups.com...
Al wrote:
I think it is somewhat weird to award a grower a CCM or CCE and then
present
him/her with a bill to register it..

I would suppose that AOS awards are mainly of interest to commercial
growers, so can it be written off as a business expense?

I can't see much point of the AOS judging system for the average
hobbyist, particularly the flower quality awards. I don't take my
plants to judging, but I don't imagine that the satisfaction of an AOS
award is any greater than the pleasure that I derive (at no cost) from
hearing my friends Oooh and Aaah over a plant at the local society
meeting.

You don't have to send anything anywhere. To quote Glinda the Good
Witch, You've had the power all along. The instructions for a CBR/CHM
is on the AOS webpage, as is the list of AOS appoved taxonomists and the
instructions on getting an unnamed hybrid registered. You have to
follow the links on the AOS homepage to the RHS webpage for their form
for registering a cross. All it takes is a little dedication on your part.

K Barrett

Lady Blacksword wrote:
I know a judge for North Carolina...send it on to me too.
Murri

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
.... clip..........

It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded
secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email messages on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at
least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a copy
for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to fend
for itself G. Kenni


Kenni & Rob -
I would love that packet when Rob gets it completed. I can cover
RMJC (Denver).

K -- You are either missing the point, or deliberately evading the question.
Registering with RHS is really EASY, it even takes plastic [no need to wait
for cheques to clear].

What the exhibitor who receives a provisional AOS award REALLY needs to know
is: Once I get my registration back from RHS, what do I do THEN? WHO do I
need to notify that the registration form is back, and HOW do I contact that
person? [Presumably, that person will be able to get the exhibitor through
the rest of the process. If not, that info should also be included in the
instructions I'm asking for.] IF any of that info is on the AOS website, I
couldn't find it.

My Van. [Rhv.] Ocean Storm 'Juno Beach' HCC/AOS received its provisional
award at the Delray Beach OS show, last weekend of October 2004 (as Rhv.
Thailand x V. tessellata). The grex was registered with RHS on 11/8/2004 --
within 2 weeks. The progress stopped altogether at that point, till
October 2005, when I started blindly asking around, of anyone who might know
what needed to happen next, and finally got to Pam Guist, who directed me to
someone else, who then forwarded the whole thing to yet another person. Pam
Guist finally sent me a bill on 12/23/05, which I paid immediately, she
acknowledged receiving the payment 1/4/06, claiming that the award
certificate would be mailed during the week of 1/9. I don't have it yet.

Ctph. [Smbcna.] Garnet Glory was provisionally awarded on the fourth
Saturday in June 2001 (as Ctna. Why Not x Schomb. thomsoniana); registered
with RHS July 17, 2001 -- within 3 weeks. Same story, nothing happened on
AOS' part till I started asking around months later, again blindly, and was
finally pointed to the right person to get it moving. At this late date, I
don't remember exactly when I finally got the award certificate, but it was
no earlier than June 2002, I think more like August or September.



Kenni




"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
You don't have to send anything anywhere. To quote Glinda the Good Witch,
You've had the power all along. The instructions for a CBR/CHM is on the
AOS webpage, as is the list of AOS appoved taxonomists and the
instructions on getting an unnamed hybrid registered. You have to follow
the links on the AOS homepage to the RHS webpage for their form for
registering a cross. All it takes is a little dedication on your part.

K Barrett

Lady Blacksword wrote:
I know a judge for North Carolina...send it on to me too.
Murri

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
.... clip..........

It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded
secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but
in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email messages
on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at
least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a copy
for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your
area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to
fend
for itself G. Kenni

So what do you want from me, Kenni??

I don't make the fries.

K Barrett


Kenni Judd wrote:
K -- You are either missing the point, or deliberately evading the question.
Registering with RHS is really EASY, it even takes plastic [no need to wait
for cheques to clear].

What the exhibitor who receives a provisional AOS award REALLY needs to know
is: Once I get my registration back from RHS, what do I do THEN? WHO do I
need to notify that the registration form is back, and HOW do I contact that
person? [Presumably, that person will be able to get the exhibitor through
the rest of the process. If not, that info should also be included in the
instructions I'm asking for.] IF any of that info is on the AOS website, I
couldn't find it.

My Van. [Rhv.] Ocean Storm 'Juno Beach' HCC/AOS received its provisional
award at the Delray Beach OS show, last weekend of October 2004 (as Rhv.
Thailand x V. tessellata). The grex was registered with RHS on 11/8/2004 --
within 2 weeks. The progress stopped altogether at that point, till
October 2005, when I started blindly asking around, of anyone who might know
what needed to happen next, and finally got to Pam Guist, who directed me to
someone else, who then forwarded the whole thing to yet another person. Pam
Guist finally sent me a bill on 12/23/05, which I paid immediately, she
acknowledged receiving the payment 1/4/06, claiming that the award
certificate would be mailed during the week of 1/9. I don't have it yet.

Ctph. [Smbcna.] Garnet Glory was provisionally awarded on the fourth
Saturday in June 2001 (as Ctna. Why Not x Schomb. thomsoniana); registered
with RHS July 17, 2001 -- within 3 weeks. Same story, nothing happened on
AOS' part till I started asking around months later, again blindly, and was
finally pointed to the right person to get it moving. At this late date, I
don't remember exactly when I finally got the award certificate, but it was
no earlier than June 2002, I think more like August or September.



Kenni




"K Barrett" wrote in message
...

You don't have to send anything anywhere. To quote Glinda the Good Witch,
You've had the power all along. The instructions for a CBR/CHM is on the
AOS webpage, as is the list of AOS appoved taxonomists and the
instructions on getting an unnamed hybrid registered. You have to follow
the links on the AOS homepage to the RHS webpage for their form for
registering a cross. All it takes is a little dedication on your part.

K Barrett

Lady Blacksword wrote:

I know a judge for North Carolina...send it on to me too.
Murri

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
.... clip..........


It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded
secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but
in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email messages
on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at
least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a copy
for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your
area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to
fend
for itself G. Kenni

Kenni,

I don't know which Judging Center has jurisdiction in the area where the
plants were awarded. There are three Judging centers in Florida. Lucky
you.

Florida-Caribbean Center has a Miami address.
Florida North Central Center has a Jacksonville address
Orlando has an Orange Park address.

They all have Judging Center Chair names and contact info, phone numbers
email addresses, etc. I found a list in the back of Awards Quarterly. It
is also published in Orchids Magazine every month (or it used to be). I
also found a list online at aos.org

Here is a link to a pdf file that the AOS says contains the most current
contact info. I would contact the judging chair of the Center closest to
wherever the plants were awarded.
http://aos.org/aos/judging/documents...lendar_002.pdf

I do fries and I slice beef. I also deep fry chicken in a special secret
batter known only to Roy Rogers and as far as I know he took it to his
grave. If he ever told Trigger or Dale Evans the secret batter ingredients,
they never talked, at least not to me. Trigger never did like me much
anyway after I..... but that incident is best forgotten.

Happy Trails.


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
K -- You are either missing the point, or deliberately evading the
question. Registering with RHS is really EASY, it even takes plastic [no
need to wait for cheques to clear].

What the exhibitor who receives a provisional AOS award REALLY needs to
know is: Once I get my registration back from RHS, what do I do THEN?
WHO do I need to notify that the registration form is back, and HOW do I
contact that person? [Presumably, that person will be able to get the
exhibitor through the rest of the process. If not, that info should also
be included in the instructions I'm asking for.] IF any of that info is
on the AOS website, I couldn't find it.

My Van. [Rhv.] Ocean Storm 'Juno Beach' HCC/AOS received its provisional
award at the Delray Beach OS show, last weekend of October 2004 (as Rhv.
Thailand x V. tessellata). The grex was registered with RHS on
11/8/2004 -- within 2 weeks. The progress stopped altogether at that
point, till October 2005, when I started blindly asking around, of anyone
who might know what needed to happen next, and finally got to Pam Guist,
who directed me to someone else, who then forwarded the whole thing to yet
another person. Pam Guist finally sent me a bill on 12/23/05, which I
paid immediately, she acknowledged receiving the payment 1/4/06, claiming
that the award certificate would be mailed during the week of 1/9. I
don't have it yet.

Ctph. [Smbcna.] Garnet Glory was provisionally awarded on the fourth
Saturday in June 2001 (as Ctna. Why Not x Schomb. thomsoniana); registered
with RHS July 17, 2001 -- within 3 weeks. Same story, nothing happened on
AOS' part till I started asking around months later, again blindly, and
was finally pointed to the right person to get it moving. At this late
date, I don't remember exactly when I finally got the award certificate,
but it was no earlier than June 2002, I think more like August or
September.



Kenni




"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
You don't have to send anything anywhere. To quote Glinda the Good Witch,
You've had the power all along. The instructions for a CBR/CHM is on the
AOS webpage, as is the list of AOS appoved taxonomists and the
instructions on getting an unnamed hybrid registered. You have to follow
the links on the AOS homepage to the RHS webpage for their form for
registering a cross. All it takes is a little dedication on your part.

K Barrett

Lady Blacksword wrote:
I know a judge for North Carolina...send it on to me too.
Murri

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
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It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded
secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but
in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email messages
on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at
least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a copy
for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB
judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your
area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to
fend
for itself G. Kenni

P.S. That stupid PDF file does not seem to contain phone numbers or email
addresses. The Orchids Magazine used too have these and the most recent
Awards Quarterly does still have them, but I worry about posting this info
here.

"Al" wrote in message
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Kenni,

I don't know which Judging Center has jurisdiction in the area where the
plants were awarded. There are three Judging centers in Florida. Lucky
you.

Florida-Caribbean Center has a Miami address.
Florida North Central Center has a Jacksonville address
Orlando has an Orange Park address.

They all have Judging Center Chair names and contact info, phone numbers
email addresses, etc. I found a list in the back of Awards Quarterly. It
is also published in Orchids Magazine every month (or it used to be). I
also found a list online at aos.org

Here is a link to a pdf file that the AOS says contains the most current
contact info. I would contact the judging chair of the Center closest to
wherever the plants were awarded.
http://aos.org/aos/judging/documents...lendar_002.pdf

I do fries and I slice beef. I also deep fry chicken in a special secret
batter known only to Roy Rogers and as far as I know he took it to his
grave. If he ever told Trigger or Dale Evans the secret batter
ingredients, they never talked, at least not to me. Trigger never did
like me much anyway after I..... but that incident is best forgotten.

Happy Trails.


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
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K -- You are either missing the point, or deliberately evading the
question. Registering with RHS is really EASY, it even takes plastic [no
need to wait for cheques to clear].

What the exhibitor who receives a provisional AOS award REALLY needs to
know is: Once I get my registration back from RHS, what do I do THEN?
WHO do I need to notify that the registration form is back, and HOW do I
contact that person? [Presumably, that person will be able to get the
exhibitor through the rest of the process. If not, that info should also
be included in the instructions I'm asking for.] IF any of that info is
on the AOS website, I couldn't find it.

My Van. [Rhv.] Ocean Storm 'Juno Beach' HCC/AOS received its provisional
award at the Delray Beach OS show, last weekend of October 2004 (as Rhv.
Thailand x V. tessellata). The grex was registered with RHS on
11/8/2004 -- within 2 weeks. The progress stopped altogether at that
point, till October 2005, when I started blindly asking around, of anyone
who might know what needed to happen next, and finally got to Pam Guist,
who directed me to someone else, who then forwarded the whole thing to
yet another person. Pam Guist finally sent me a bill on 12/23/05, which
I paid immediately, she acknowledged receiving the payment 1/4/06,
claiming that the award certificate would be mailed during the week of
1/9. I don't have it yet.

Ctph. [Smbcna.] Garnet Glory was provisionally awarded on the fourth
Saturday in June 2001 (as Ctna. Why Not x Schomb. thomsoniana);
registered with RHS July 17, 2001 -- within 3 weeks. Same story, nothing
happened on AOS' part till I started asking around months later, again
blindly, and was finally pointed to the right person to get it moving.
At this late date, I don't remember exactly when I finally got the award
certificate, but it was no earlier than June 2002, I think more like
August or September.



Kenni




"K Barrett" wrote in message
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You don't have to send anything anywhere. To quote Glinda the Good
Witch,
You've had the power all along. The instructions for a CBR/CHM is on
the
AOS webpage, as is the list of AOS appoved taxonomists and the
instructions on getting an unnamed hybrid registered. You have to
follow
the links on the AOS homepage to the RHS webpage for their form for
registering a cross. All it takes is a little dedication on your part.

K Barrett

Lady Blacksword wrote:
I know a judge for North Carolina...send it on to me too.
Murri

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:04:25 -0500, "Kenni Judd"
wrote:
.... clip..........

It's the info on the AOS process that seems to be a closely-guarded
secret.
It's been different both times I tried to get an award registered, but
in
each case, it's been extremely onerous compared to the RHS
registration
process. Each has taken numerous follow-up calls and/or email
messages
on
my part, and taken more than a year. Written instructions would be at
least
a start on remedying this problem. If you write them up, I want a
copy
for
myself and I think I can make sure they are given out at the WPB
judging
center [which happens to be AOS HQ]. You'll take care of it in your
area,
maybe K will do it in hers, and the rest of the country will have to
fend
for itself G. Kenni