Serene Blue wrote:
Hi all,
After the umpteenth burglary at "casa bleu", I need to resort to some
stiff security steps.



Is there a thorny barrier that is evergreen/non deciduous that I can
stick along the fence as well? Hopefully with a bird and building
friendly characteristic?


Whatever you grow, please remember that you will be the one
who has to keep it trimmed and dispose of the trimmings.
So don't make a rod for your own back.
Why not consult the police ? They are the experts.
You pay your taxes don't you ?
It is part of their job to help, and they are quite willing to do so.

On 15/9/06 18:37, in article
, "La Puce"
wrote:


Sacha wrote:
My children do not live in this house. They're adults. The things I keep
for them it would shatter them to lose because their uncle died at 39, their
father at 49 and they have lost 3 of their grandparents. Use your
imagination please. Not everyone here has toddlers or teenagers as the
children they care about.

You do not understand me quite clearly. Loved ones means any age. There
is not the question (again). The things you keep - as Uncle Marvo
explained - are very important. I agree. But resorting to terrible
violence because someone has taken/damage them? This I'm afraid is not
in my book. I will not resort to violence for material things. I will
not worry myself sick for it either because, these are things. These
are not in my heart but my memories are.

Yes. YOUR memories are. What about those too young to have the memories?
Just today I talked to a Russian woman who has not one member of her family
left and has no knowledge of her own history. It's a big hole in her life.

But yes, to protect my loved
ones, my 83 years old Tonton Bernard if you need something more
palpable to my 4 years old niece, then I would risk anything for him or
her, but not for their photographs.

Your Tonton is still with you and I dare say there are many photographs of
him and indeed, I hope that there are for all your sakes. But in the case
of a young and sudden death, photographs, a piece of clothing, a message on
an answer phone might be all that is left, depending on circumstances. The
theft of such things is revolting and disgusting and I have no interest in
the finer feelings of those who perpetrate such crimes. Indeed, I have no
interest in the finer feelings of those who break into anyone else's
property and defile it by their very presence, or for those who seek to
excuse them.

And I have lost my mother, my grand mother, my grand father, never
known my mother, my best friend etc..... but I wouldn't resort to
violence because someone has taken a material thing of them from me.
Use your imagination as well. I am human just like you and I can also
understand the sentimentality over an object. I have lots of them.
Perhaps too many. But I don't care about them as much as I care about a
human life, any life even that of a scrote.

If someone hurts me or mine, however they do it, I have no more respect for
them or their welfare than they have for ours. However, what I might feel
and what I do are two different things but I could still have those
feelings. You might have fuzzy feelings for wrong doers who harm or hurt
others by their actions. I do not.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Sacha wrote:
Yes. YOUR memories are.

Sacha. I think we should stop here. I never new my mother, just saw her
once and I have no memories, none really as I was too little. There's
no point in continuing this because first it's totally off topic,
second there's very little point since you've made up your mind about
me via an internet forum to prove whatever you are trying to prove, and
third and final you're not really attractive for confidences.

It's best to keep to busy lizzies.

"La Puce" wrote in message
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It's best to keep to busy lizzies.

Or in your case
A Foetid Eurasian weed (French weed)

The message
from Sacha contains these words:
"La Puce" wrote:
Sacha wrote:
I'm with you on that. We have a couple of family members to whom that
applies and the loss of photographs of them would be a devastation to my
children. Family artefacts whether made of paper or solid gold are
indeed,
irreplaceable.

There is not the question. Violence is. I'd rather hear these kind of
remarks made towards the protection of one's children perhaps, or
indeed any of one's loved ones, but over material things? Well, I can't
and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

My children do not live in this house. They're adults. The things I keep
for them it would shatter them to lose because their uncle died at 39, their
father at 49 and they have lost 3 of their grandparents. Use your
imagination please. Not everyone here has toddlers or teenagers as the
children they care about.

Sacha, you really MUST stop thinking that _your_ opinion is the only
one with any merit.....it is SO unbecoming!

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"La Puce" wrote in message
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It's best to keep to busy lizzies.

Or in your case
A Foetid Eurasian weed (French weed)

What a nasty comment!

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"La Puce" wrote
But plants such as hawthorns, holy, pyran and roses are surrounding my
house at every angles. Perhaps that is the real protection - along with
two fearce looking dogs. I have also learn to tell myself that my
possessions are only things and that they can be replaced.

In principle I agree, but still wish I had my old teddy with the beetroot
stain on his ear...........
Jenny

"Anne Jackson" wrote
,snip
Sacha, you really MUST stop thinking that _your_ opinion is the only
one with any merit.....it is SO unbecoming!
AnneJ

Could this explain it?
http://www.newsbackup.com/about922570.html

Jenny "~)

JennyC wrote:
"La Puce" wrote
But plants such as hawthorns, holy, pyran and roses are surrounding my
house at every angles. Perhaps that is the real protection - along with
two fearce looking dogs. I have also learn to tell myself that my
possessions are only things and that they can be replaced.

In principle I agree, but still wish I had my old teddy with the beetroot
stain on his ear...........

Did it look menacing enough to scare the burglars?!! ;o)

Hello Serene Blue ( and all who wrote her about vicious plants for home
security!)

Here in Canada, much harsher winters we also use pyracantha, and
climbing roses painstakingly braided through the fences, not only along
the top row, bot woven up and down, so that the frist step climbed is
even nasty, long before you get to the top.

But, there is a plant no one mentioned to you! It's a Canadian small
tree called Honeysuckle. Somebody discovered a mutant which doesn't
produce throns, and now is one of the most utilized cityscape trees
here in Toronto. The NATIVE honeysuckle (you can find seeds online)
has one inch thorns that are really nasty and LONG LASTING. These
trees don't get much more than 10-15' tall, and take very nicely to
pruning and shaping, not like a hedge, but more the braiding techniques
of a hedgerow.

If you can handle them at knee, waist, and then chest and face height
for a few years, the form an African-acacia type umbrella crown,
naturally, or you can weave all the branches and braid them in a
self-formed lattice at or just above your fence line. The one inch
throns were used by settlers years and years ago as sewing needles for
leather work. LEATHER WORK!

If someone gets stuck on one of them, they're gonna run to the
hospital, and WON'T be back to your Castle. Shells, and gravel around
the edges of your property will make noise, when trespassed onto, and
is much better than stringing bells along your fence line (windy days
will drive you nuts)

Good Luck Serene!
Serene Blue wrote:
Hi all,
After the umpteenth burglary at "casa bleu", I need to resort to some
stiff security steps.

I want to stop "yoofs" climbing onto my garage flat roof, and sneaking
into the back yard, where they proceed to help themselves to my hard
earned money/boot my doggy/steal my cars. I am not really keen on razor
wire and don't want to reapply for my firearms license at this moment.

I want to plant some thorny barriers. And was thinking of a double row
of Hawthorn hedging around the rear of the garage for people to
castrate themselved by jumping into, and some kind of a pot-borne
climbing rose trailing over the front of the garage, and along the
longer side.

Would Hawthorn (C. Monogyna?) damage walls or foundations if grown slap
up againt the rear wall of the garage? How about common Gorse? My garden
soil is moist, clay like (Liverpool Weather) and partially shaded.

Also could you suggest a very thorny, fast growing evergreen climber I
could grow over the front door/roofline of the garage and along one of
the longer sides? The longer side needs to be covered by a climber that
is happy to grow from a pot, if possble, otherwise I will need to take
off a pavement slab and plant it in the ground right up against the
wall of the house.

I would like a solution that is kind and welcoming to the birdies and
beasties that visit my garden at this moment, something that offers
them food and protection would be especially nice.

Is there a thorny barrier that is evergreen/non deciduous that I can
stick along the fence as well? Hopefully with a bird and building
friendly characteristic?




--
Serene Blue

baobaboon wrote:
stringing bells along your fence line

I like the sound of that though ) I cannot find, nor understand, what
you mean by the honeysuckle tree. Do you have a picture to show?

"Serene Blue" wrote in message

After the umpteenth burglary at "casa bleu", I need to resort to
some
stiff security steps.

So far I haven't seen a mention of Barberry (berberis). More vicous
thorns even than pyracantha, lots of differing ones and some pretty
berries too.

"Serene Blue" wrote in message
...

Hi all,
After the umpteenth burglary at "casa bleu", I need to resort to some
stiff security steps.
I want to plant some thorny barriers.
Is there a thorny barrier that is evergreen/non deciduous that I can
stick along the fence as well? Hopefully with a bird and building
friendly characteristic?
Serene Blue

I've got a mix of a very thorny blackberry and a climbing/rambling roses,
which I at first attached to wires to achieve the height I wanted along my
back wall.

Looks good, tastes great and forms a really prickly barrier.

Pyracantha would work well too, and Berberis.

Jenny

"La Puce" wrote in message
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JennyC wrote:
"La Puce" wrote
But plants such as hawthorns, holy, pyran and roses are surrounding my
house at every angles. Perhaps that is the real protection - along with
two fearce looking dogs. I have also learn to tell myself that my
possessions are only things and that they can be replaced.

In principle I agree, but still wish I had my old teddy with the beetroot
stain on his ear...........

Did it look menacing enough to scare the burglars?!! ;o)

No, but I wish I could remember how the beetroot stain got there. I must
have been a very messy eater when small :~)
Jenny

"La Puce" wrote in message
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baobaboon wrote:
stringing bells along your fence line

I like the sound of that though ) I cannot find, nor understand, what
you mean by the honeysuckle tree. Do you have a picture to show?

Wikipedia is the new Google :~))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeysuckle leads to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewarewa

And idea for the garden?
http://www.susantower.com/honeysuckleTreeSwing.php

Jenny