A neighbour recently told me that she could hear an underground stream
flowing beneath her garden, . . . .

Snip

If it can be heard it's either in a cave or a culvert. Either way, forget
it!

Lionel

Keith (Dorset) wrote:
Hi Ken,

More on dowsing.

I once spent a summer living on a fairly remote farm on the north west coast
of Norway. One day the family brought in an elderly man who used a
coathanger to find the track of an underground stream there.

I was very suspicious of this at first, and OK, we didn't dig down to find
the/water. However, I did get to try the dowsing technique, and upon
instruction on how to hold it correctly, (this was over twenty years ago,
and I most likely couldn't do it now), the thing moved 'on its own', just as
appeared to do for him. I certainly didn't 'make it'.

It might just be worth getting someone in to try this.

"Dowsing" ? Oh for goodness sake ... I guess you haven't even
heard of the ideomotor effect.

Now if you're *really* convinced dowsing works, I have a leetle
tip for you: there's a cool $1,000,000 waiting for you if you
can show it works (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html).

Interested ?

"R.A.Omond" wrote in message
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Keith (Dorset) wrote:

"Dowsing" ? Oh for goodness sake ... I guess you haven't even
heard of the ideomotor effect.

Now if you're *really* convinced dowsing works, I have a leetle
tip for you: there's a cool $1,000,000 waiting for you if you
can show it works (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html).

Interested ?

Yes I am interested but sadly the link does not work for me.

Mike
www.farend.org.uk

"Lionel" lionel wrote in message
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A neighbour recently told me that she could hear an underground stream
flowing beneath her garden, . . . .

Snip

If it can be heard it's either in a cave or a culvert. Either way, forget
it!

Lionel


Whether it is in a culvert or not, what are the circumstances of withdrawing
water from it?

Would one need an extraction licence?

Mike


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Muddymike wrote:

"R.A.Omond" wrote in message
...

Keith (Dorset) wrote:

"Dowsing" ? Oh for goodness sake ... I guess you haven't even
heard of the ideomotor effect.

Now if you're *really* convinced dowsing works, I have a leetle
tip for you: there's a cool $1,000,000 waiting for you if you
can show it works (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html).

Interested ?

Yes I am interested but sadly the link does not work for me.

Oh goody ...

Let's start with the ideomotor effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect

From there, link off to the Wikipedia entry for dowsing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing

Amongst the links at the bottom, look for:
http://www.randi.org/library/dowsing/

To go straight to Randi's $1,000,000 Challenge, go to
the link I posted earlier (I have no idea why the link doesn't
work for you; maybe type it in explicitly ?).

If you *really* are interested, let me know.

P.s. dowsers are amongst the most frequent applicants for the
$1,000,000 challenge. To date, not a single one has ever passed
even the preliminary test.

Now, are you still interested ? We (UK Skeptics) can assist you
in testing.

Still interested ? Anyone else interested (amongst the several
who seem to be convinced) ?

P.s. forgot to ask: still interested ? :-)

"'Mike'"

Snip

Whether it is in a culvert or not, what are the circumstances of
withdrawing
water from it?

Would one need an extraction licence?

Mike

When I was on an advisory committee to the Southern Water a few years ago
the answer was, "Yes, a licence is needed." and I do not suppose there has
been any change!

Geoff

wrote:

A neighbour recently told me that she could hear an underground stream
flowing beneath her garden, and suggested maybe it flowed across mine
too. Then someone sent me an old map of the West Hampstead area in
London which shows an underground stream passing more or less along
the boundary between the bottom of my garden, and the field next
door. If the stream lies on my side of the boundary and isn't too
deep, it might be nice to uncover it and create a natural pool. I'll
need some kind of survey to pinpoint it, of course - has anyone got
any experience with reliable people/companies who do this kind of
thing ?

Ken

Go to your council's Local Studies Centre, probably at the main
library, and look at a full set of maps. They will also have Council
Minutes showing when it was culverted (if not centuries back). But
it's unlikely you'll be allowed to unculvert it.

Someone near here told me that when they first moved into their house
they had a pretty little stream with primrose-covered banks running
down the side of the garden. Then one year it flooded. They're glad
it's now in a concrete strait-jacket.

As Lionel says, if it can be heard sloshing around, it's in some kind
of air-filled tube rather than seeping though the soil (in which case
you could at least dig a well). If your neighbour can hear it but you
can't, maybe they have an inspection cover which you could lift for,
well, inspection.

Chris

wrote:
A neighbour recently told me that she could hear an underground stream
flowing beneath her garden, and suggested maybe it flowed across mine
too. Then someone sent me an old map of the West Hampstead area in
London which shows an underground stream passing more or less along
the boundary between the bottom of my garden, and the field next
door. If the stream lies on my side of the boundary and isn't too
deep, it might be nice to uncover it and create a natural pool. I'll
need some kind of survey to pinpoint it, of course - has anyone got
any experience with reliable people/companies who do this kind of
thing ?

The first people to talk to are the Council: they should know, perhaps
even exactly. As somebody says further downthread, if you can hear it
it's probably piped (a cave seems unlikely) and to be left alone. In
Hampstead, it could be the Kilburn (lower down called the Westbourne,
etc) or at any rate a tributary. But the main reason to ask the Council
is to find out if it's part of the foul sewage system.

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"R.A.Omond" wrote in message
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Keith (Dorset) wrote:
Hi Ken,

More on dowsing.

I once spent a summer living on a fairly remote farm on the north west
coast of Norway. One day the family brought in an elderly man who used a
coathanger to find the track of an underground stream there.

I was very suspicious of this at first, and OK, we didn't dig down to
find the/water. However, I did get to try the dowsing technique, and upon
instruction on how to hold it correctly, (this was over twenty years ago,
and I most likely couldn't do it now), the thing moved 'on its own', just
as appeared to do for him. I certainly didn't 'make it'.

It might just be worth getting someone in to try this.

"Dowsing" ? Oh for goodness sake ... I guess you haven't even
heard of the ideomotor effect.

Now if you're *really* convinced dowsing works, I have a leetle
tip for you: there's a cool $1,000,000 waiting for you if you
can show it works (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html).

Interested ?


www.randi.org is not reachable for me either (from Dubbelin). Maybe the
name is too close to sounding like a dodgy site?

You are a very skeptical man Roy. Next you'll be tellin me you do not
believe in ghosts or horrorscopes.

Des

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:17:01 +0100, "'Mike'" wrote
and included this (or some of this):


"'Mike'" wrote in message
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Your 'stream' may already be curvetted and in a huge concrete tube :-((

Try 'culvetted' Spell check wanted to do something different.

Or even more correctly, you could try "culverted"

The noun is "culvert"


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On 30/4/07 15:41, in article ,
"Des Higgins" wrote:

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www.randi.org is not reachable for me either (from Dubbelin). Maybe the
name is too close to sounding like a dodgy site?

You are a very skeptical man Roy. Next you'll be tellin me you do not
believe in ghosts or horrorscopes.

Des

People for whom dowsing doesn't work don't believe it because they haven't
experienced it. I'm told that Randi Wotsit hedges his bets so carefully
it's impossible for anyone to win the money, even if they wanted to take
part. Dowsers have been around for centuries, finding water, minerals and
in the case of one I know, lost jewellery!


--
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http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
Devon County Show 17-19 May
http://www.devoncountyshow.co.uk/

"®óñ© © ²°¹°-°³" wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:17:01 +0100, "'Mike'" wrote
and included this (or some of this):


"'Mike'" wrote in message
.. .



Your 'stream' may already be curvetted and in a huge concrete tube :-((

Try 'culvetted' Spell check wanted to do something different.

Or even more correctly, you could try "culverted"

The noun is "culvert"


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Someone picked me up on that later :-))

Many thanks

Mike


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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:42:41 GMT, "Lionel" lionel
wrote and included this (or some of this):





A neighbour recently told me that she could hear an underground stream
flowing beneath her garden, . . . .

Snip

If it can be heard it's either in a cave or a culvert. Either way, forget
it!

Not necessarily. I once lived in a house with a garden which
comprised about 6" of top soil over compacted rocky sub-soil.
When it rained, you could hear the water running through the garden 6"
down, in one side and out the other.

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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:41:41 +0100, "Des Higgins"

wrote:


"R.A.Omond" wrote in message
...
Keith (Dorset) wrote:
Hi Ken,

More on dowsing.

I once spent a summer living on a fairly remote farm on the north west
coast of Norway. One day the family brought in an elderly man who used
a
coathanger to find the track of an underground stream there.

I was very suspicious of this at first, and OK, we didn't dig down to
find the/water. However, I did get to try the dowsing technique, and
upon
instruction on how to hold it correctly, (this was over twenty years
ago,
and I most likely couldn't do it now), the thing moved 'on its own',
just
as appeared to do for him. I certainly didn't 'make it'.

It might just be worth getting someone in to try this.

"Dowsing" ? Oh for goodness sake ... I guess you haven't even
heard of the ideomotor effect.

Now if you're *really* convinced dowsing works, I have a leetle
tip for you: there's a cool $1,000,000 waiting for you if you
can show it works (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html).

Interested ?


www.randi.org is not reachable for me either (from Dubbelin). Maybe the
name is too close to sounding like a dodgy site?

You are a very skeptical man Roy. Next you'll be tellin me you do not
believe in ghosts or horrorscopes.

My wife, who is an astronomer and not an astrologer, is still wrestling
with
the biodynamics of how the moon focuses energy from the constellations on
the
earth.
--

Martin


Martin tell your wife to think 'Gravity' and 'Spring & Neap Tides'.

It might help. :-))

Mike


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Sacha wrote:
On 30/4/07 15:41, in article ,
"Des Higgins" wrote:

snip


www.randi.org is not reachable for me either (from Dubbelin). Maybe the
name is too close to sounding like a dodgy site?

You are a very skeptical man Roy. Next you'll be tellin me you do not
believe in ghosts or horrorscopes.

Des


People for whom dowsing doesn't work don't believe it because they haven't
experienced it. I'm told that Randi Wotsit hedges his bets so carefully
it's impossible for anyone to win the money, even if they wanted to take
part. Dowsers have been around for centuries, finding water, minerals and
in the case of one I know, lost jewellery!

Excellent Sacha! So you'd be willing to do a test to show it works ?
Or even put forward your best "dowser", if you can't do it ?

And we can leave Randi out of it for the moment, though I'm sure you
wouldn't say "no" to the $1,000,000 (that's 1 *million*), once you show
it works.

Seems simple to me to come up with a mutually agreeable test protocol.

P.s. it's been tried before ... *many* times, and no-one has ever done
it. [Mrs Doyle voice] Ah, go on, go on, go on ... [/Mrs Doyle voice]

Please let me know, and we (the UK Skeptics) can arrange tests.

P.p.s. would you like to suggest which mechanism, in your view, would
be in play for dowsing to work ?