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The plastic bag free town
"'Mike'" wrote in message ... We use some plastic bags but our main 'carriers' are shallow cardboard trays. They arrive flat and we make them up as needed. On busy days we could almost have one person doing that job. I think they cost us about 15p each -- Sacha 15p plus the labour cost of making them up. How many can that 'one person' make up per hour and what is the hourly rate? So many businesses don't take the full cost of an item into consideration. I was looking at a Roadside Public House which is on the market and the cost of what I call 'Dead Money' on the Rent and Rates alone is £207.00 PER DAY. When I had my factories, I did a 'Dead Money' calculation on Rent, Rates, Gas and Electric Standing Charge, Telephone Rent, Insurances etc etc, added it all up for the year and divided by 365. That was the cost, Sundays, Christmas Day etc that was 'Money down the drain' BEFORE I paid for the first member of staff to come in and switch a light on, flush the loo, turn the heating up etc etc. One of the hidden considerations I included in my book on starting a business. Sacha. Have you done a 'Dead Money' calculation? What it costs per day to run your place as a business? I doubt it, not many do :-( They wait for the end of the year, hand their books to the Accountant and then a year after the Financial Year has closed, see how well they didn't do 18 months ago :-( Mike Well what do you know? Just picked this up off the front page :-)) .................................................. ......... Hidden costs 'raise US war price' US Democrats say the wars are costing the US too much The US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are costing nearly double the amount previously thought, according to a report set to be released by Congress. Democrats say the wars have cost $1.5 trillion - almost twice the requested $804bn (£402bn) - because of "hidden costs", the Washington Post reports. .................................................. ...... Kindest regards Mike Who didn't come down with the last shower of rain :-))) -- www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there. |
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The plastic bag free town
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says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 13/11/07 14:33, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In reply to Granity ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php In the old days, supermarkets put out their cardboard boxes for you to put stuff in, or charged you 10p for a carrier bag. What do they do with all the boxes nowadays? Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. Good point. I use plastic co-op bags (which are biodegradeable), but I bet the townspeople buy binbags. You can still get boxes in the co-op, they stack them against the wall by the door and you help yourself. Some supermarkets, such as my local Waitrose, never have them available. I expect they sell them :-) |
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says... On 13/11/07 14:33, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. Just found this while googling for bio bags (which are very expensive by the way 8X more than plastic) It made rather interesting reading and goes some way to explain why the government are not pushing that hard to change things. http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/.../index.htm#bio -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On Nov 12, 8:14 pm, Des Higgins wrote:
On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK It has been illegal to give free plastic bags in Irish shops for a few years now. You can get them but have to ask and have to pay. Ireland used to have an appalling litter problem; overnight we went from that to merely having a bad litter problem. It needed a simple act of government. Since then, people have gotten used to bringing their own bags when going shopping. One barrier at the time was the amount of economic activity that went onto making and distributing the disposable bags; it is a big business. It worked almost immediately and the supermarkets surived quite happily despite all the bleating they did before hand, moaning about how civilisation would end etc. Des- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's really funny now is travelling to other countries, and feeling majorly imposed upon at being handed a plastic bag for the purchase of 1 small very portable item. Cat(h) |
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In reply to Cat(h) ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : On Nov 12, 8:14 pm, Des Higgins wrote: On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Martin" wrote after "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php and if anyone thinks this is OT for this ng check out the site. I'd be more impressed if they were giving away reuseable bags. The site says that the local Co-op gave every household in the town a re-usable cotton bag, further re-usable bags are available at a small charge, even the take-always use biodegradable containers made of corn starch .....this must be the way to go. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK It has been illegal to give free plastic bags in Irish shops for a few years now. You can get them but have to ask and have to pay. Ireland used to have an appalling litter problem; overnight we went from that to merely having a bad litter problem. It needed a simple act of government. Since then, people have gotten used to bringing their own bags when going shopping. One barrier at the time was the amount of economic activity that went onto making and distributing the disposable bags; it is a big business. It worked almost immediately and the supermarkets surived quite happily despite all the bleating they did before hand, moaning about how civilisation would end etc. Des- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's really funny now is travelling to other countries, and feeling majorly imposed upon at being handed a plastic bag for the purchase of 1 small very portable item. Cat(h) I found that in Spain recently. They like their bags. On the other hand, the streets are paved with recycling bins, which is great. And they have bins on railway stations. In bars, you just lob everything on the floor and it magically disappears every night. |
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In reply to Charlie Pridham ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : In article , says... On 13/11/07 14:33, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. Just found this while googling for bio bags (which are very expensive by the way 8X more than plastic) It made rather interesting reading and goes some way to explain why the government are not pushing that hard to change things. http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/.../index.htm#bio Yes, I sometimes wish I could believe some of the misguided twaddle put out by DEFRA too. That article is condescending, implying that everybody is stupid and doesn't know how to work a bag. I particularly like "Government is taking steps to help tackle this form of littering through a combination of regulatory options, partnership work and awareness-raising. " The "form" of littering referred to is cigarette litter. A better option might be an invention called an "ashtray". Most pubs have many more than they need now. |
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says... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php In the old days, supermarkets put out their cardboard boxes for you to put stuff in, or charged you 10p for a carrier bag. What do they do with all the boxes nowadays? Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. They still put boxes out but now everyone is grabbibg them there are never enough! We keep the reusable bags in our van so they are always to hand. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 13/11/07 11:32, in article , "Granity"
wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:13:21 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: Interesting site about Modbury, the town that has banned plastic bags. The video of a speech by Ray Anderson on the "Why and How to" page is excellent. http://www.plasticbagfree.com/index.php In the old days, supermarkets put out their cardboard boxes for you to put stuff in, or charged you 10p for a carrier bag. What do they do with all the boxes nowadays? I think they have to squash them flat and either take them to a tip or pay for them to be taken away as trade waste. Last time I asked for one, I was told that the store concerned had been told they couldn't keep them for customers as they constitute a fire hazard. Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. You aren't allowed to use plastic bags for food rubbish in this area anyway. We buy special paper bags and sacks for the caddy bins that go under the sink and the wheelie bins outside. We are only allowed to use plastic bags - supplied by the South Hams District Council - for cardboard, newspapers, general paper waste and another for tins and clear plastic bottles. Modbury also comes under the SHDC. Those bags can be ordered online and are free, the paper sacks or bags have to be bought, or you wrap your food waste in old newspapers if you can't compost it. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On 13/11/07 15:31, in article
, "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 13/11/07 14:33, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. Thanks for that, they look the part, just need to find a stockest down here (we only use a thousand per year) Charlie, we use http://torbaypackaging.co.uk/ for some boxes but I don't think they do biodegradable stuff. I'll email them to find out. Just found this while googling for bio bags (which are very expensive by the way 8X more than plastic) It made rather interesting reading and goes some way to explain why the government are not pushing that hard to change things. http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/.../index.htm#bio Hm, they're not that interested, are they? I'm afraid Defra just doesn't do anything for me. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:26:08 -0000, "Amethyst Deceiver"
wrote: Charlie Pridham wrote: Boxes are fine at the nursery but at shows and plant sales, we use bags, some customers bring their own, but we need to sell to people that did not realise they wanted to buy something as well! so if anyone knows of bags like plastic carriers but not made of plastic, we remain interested to hear about them. Try Bio bags: http://www.biobag.no/default.pl?showPage=246 I was going to suggest compostable nappy bags but thought they might be too small for your plants. STFU! Ugly bitch. |
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On 13/11/07 17:52, in article ,
"Jennifer Sparkes" wrote: The message from Granity contains these words: In the old days, supermarkets put out their cardboard boxes for you to put stuff in, or charged you 10p for a carrier bag. What do they do with all the boxes nowadays? Incidentally if it's a plastic bag free town what do people put their rubbish in for the dustmen to collect? Putting "naked" food waste in a wheelly bin is extremely unhygienic. In Bristol we are *not* allowed to put food waste in plastic bags. We are provided with a very small (20/25/12 cm approx) lidded bin for waste in the kitchen. When full this is emptied into a 'larger small bin' with a secure -ish lid . This rubbish is collected weekly. Lucky you. Ours is collected every fortnight, which is disgusting. I should buy shares in Domestos, Jeyes and Dettol! Trade waste e.g. the tea room goes every week but we pay extra for that. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In reply to Sacha ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : Hm, they're not that interested, are they? I'm afraid Defra just doesn't do anything for me. You'd be unique if they did :-) |
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