We visited Madeira whilst on a cruise in the early part of the year and
missed out on visiting the Gardens, so when we called in recently whilst
cruising on Cunard's new Queen Victoria, we took the Cable Car to the top
and were confronted with a conundrum. We thought, along with many others,
that there was only one 'Gardens' at the top. No. The Tropical Gardens are
near the top of the Cable Car, to visit the Botanical Gardens, one has to
take another Cable Car back halfway down!!

So if you are visiting Madeira and wish to visit the BOTANICAL GARDENS,
approach it from the bottom, possibly by Taxi, and save time and money :-))

Thought someone might like to know that :-)

Mike

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In article , says...
We visited Madeira whilst on a cruise in the early part of the year and
missed out on visiting the Gardens, so when we called in recently whilst
cruising on Cunard's new Queen Victoria, we took the Cable Car to the top
and were confronted with a conundrum. We thought, along with many others,
that there was only one 'Gardens' at the top. No. The Tropical Gardens are
near the top of the Cable Car, to visit the Botanical Gardens, one has to
take another Cable Car back halfway down!!

So if you are visiting Madeira and wish to visit the BOTANICAL GARDENS,
approach it from the bottom, possibly by Taxi, and save time and money :-))

Thought someone might like to know that :-)

Mike


See thats the problem with cruises, no time to see anything :~) There are
in fact 3 large gardens at the top of the cable car run at Monte and as
you say on a completely seperate cable car and only about half way up is
the botanic garden, there are also a further 3 orchid gardens nearby, we
wouldn't use the cable car for any of them (assuming I could get my wife
on it!) the buses are much cheaper and more fun.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
T...
In article , says...
We visited Madeira whilst on a cruise in the early part of the year and
missed out on visiting the Gardens, so when we called in recently whilst
cruising on Cunard's new Queen Victoria, we took the Cable Car to the top
and were confronted with a conundrum. We thought, along with many others,
that there was only one 'Gardens' at the top. No. The Tropical Gardens
are
near the top of the Cable Car, to visit the Botanical Gardens, one has to
take another Cable Car back halfway down!!

So if you are visiting Madeira and wish to visit the BOTANICAL GARDENS,
approach it from the bottom, possibly by Taxi, and save time and money
:-))

Thought someone might like to know that :-)

Mike


See thats the problem with cruises, no time to see anything :~) There are
in fact 3 large gardens at the top of the cable car run at Monte and as
you say on a completely seperate cable car and only about half way up is
the botanic garden, there are also a further 3 orchid gardens nearby, we
wouldn't use the cable car for any of them (assuming I could get my wife
on it!) the buses are much cheaper and more fun.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Thanks for that contribution Charlie. Can you post some more off-putting
remarks about cruising and see if we can get the queues to cruise down a
bit? Cruising has now become so popular that we have to book well over a
year in advance to secure decent cabins :-(

This last one on Queen Victoria was planned well over 2 years ago because I
wanted 5 Staterooms. I took all the Family with me to celebrate Christmas,
our Golden Wedding and the New Year. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo popular
:-(

Next Winter we are cruising New Zealand and Australia and had to book that
ages ago. :-((

Mike


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www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there.

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:40:29 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote:



"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
ET...
In article , says...
We visited Madeira whilst on a cruise in the early part of the year and
missed out on visiting the Gardens, so when we called in recently whilst
cruising on Cunard's new Queen Victoria, we took the Cable Car to the top
and were confronted with a conundrum. We thought, along with many others,
that there was only one 'Gardens' at the top. No. The Tropical Gardens
are
near the top of the Cable Car, to visit the Botanical Gardens, one has to
take another Cable Car back halfway down!!

So if you are visiting Madeira and wish to visit the BOTANICAL GARDENS,
approach it from the bottom, possibly by Taxi, and save time and money
:-))

Thought someone might like to know that :-)

Mike


See thats the problem with cruises, no time to see anything :~) There are
in fact 3 large gardens at the top of the cable car run at Monte and as
you say on a completely seperate cable car and only about half way up is
the botanic garden, there are also a further 3 orchid gardens nearby, we
wouldn't use the cable car for any of them (assuming I could get my wife
on it!) the buses are much cheaper and more fun.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Thanks for that contribution Charlie. Can you post some more off-putting
remarks about cruising and see if we can get the queues to cruise down a
bit? Cruising has now become so popular that we have to book well over a
year in advance to secure decent cabins :-(

This last one on Queen Victoria was planned well over 2 years ago because I
wanted 5 Staterooms. I took all the Family with me to celebrate Christmas,
our Golden Wedding and the New Year. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo popular
:-(

Next Winter we are cruising New Zealand and Australia and had to book that
ages ago. :-((

Mike

What has all this got to do with gardening? Can't you understand that
we are all sick and tired of hearing about your cruises? Have a look
at the earlier thread 'As forecast' and see what everyone thinks about
you amd your continual boasting.
Please book yourself a permanent cabin and stop bothering us here.
Thank you.

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:40:29 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote:


What has all this got to do with gardening? Can't you understand that
we are all sick and tired of hearing about your cruises? Have a look
at the earlier thread 'As forecast' and see what everyone thinks about
you amd your continual boasting.
Please book yourself a permanent cabin and stop bothering us here.
Thank you.


and I suppose that your TV is on all the time and you moan about the
contents of the programmes?

There are those on this newsgroup who 'claim' to use the kill file facility.
Might I respectfully suggest that if you are so paranoid about my postings,
that you actually "USE" said facility?

I feel sure that
http://www.globalretreatcentre.org.u...ayretreats.htm would
help you with your understanding and tolerance of other human beings.

Kindest possible regards

Mike


--
www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there.

On 7/1/08 08:19, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

snip
See thats the problem with cruises, no time to see anything :~) There are
in fact 3 large gardens at the top of the cable car run at Monte and as
you say on a completely seperate cable car and only about half way up is
the botanic garden, there are also a further 3 orchid gardens nearby, we
wouldn't use the cable car for any of them (assuming I could get my wife
on it!) the buses are much cheaper and more fun.

One could spend the best part of a day in the Monte gardens alone. But I
must say that we liked the Blandy gardens even more - possibly because
they're more English in style, do you think?
Liz is right about the cable car! We took it but I really didn't like it,
especially when it swung a bit as it went over the runner thingies, or over
a deep gorge. I've used dozens of cable cars when skiing but somehow, being
in one that isn't above the snow that I ridiculously imagine will cushion my
fall, made me very uncomfortable.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:34:37 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote:



"Fuschia" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:40:29 -0000, "'Mike'" wrote:


What has all this got to do with gardening? Can't you understand that
we are all sick and tired of hearing about your cruises? Have a look
at the earlier thread 'As forecast' and see what everyone thinks about
you amd your continual boasting.
Please book yourself a permanent cabin and stop bothering us here.
Thank you.


and I suppose that your TV is on all the time and you moan about the
contents of the programmes?

There are those on this newsgroup who 'claim' to use the kill file facility.
Might I respectfully suggest that if you are so paranoid about my postings,
that you actually "USE" said facility?

I feel sure that
http://www.globalretreatcentre.org.u...ayretreats.htm would
help you with your understanding and tolerance of other human beings.

Kindest possible regards


I feel you have missed the point, 'Mike'.

Consider this newsgroup to be a garden path, and that something
unpleasant has been left in the middle of it by an animal. The proper
solution is to remove the obstruction, rather than to expect everyone
to walk on the garden to avoid it.

As Fuschia pointed out, there are a number of people who are tired of
your continual self-promotion and diversions from real gardening
discussions. I include myself in that number.

Surely there is room on here for a bit of "topical" off topic chat?? Or
am I being naive again

Elt

There are those on this newsgroup who 'claim' to use the kill file facility.
Might I respectfully suggest that if you are so paranoid about my postings,
that you actually "USE" said facility?

I feel sure that
http://www.globalretreatcentre.org.u...ayretreats.htm would
help you with your understanding and tolerance of other human beings.

Kindest possible regards


I feel you have missed the point, 'Mike'.

Consider this newsgroup to be a garden path, and that something
unpleasant has been left in the middle of it by an animal. The proper
solution is to remove the obstruction, rather than to expect everyone
to walk on the garden to avoid it.

As Fuschia pointed out, there are a number of people who are tired of
your continual self-promotion and diversions from real gardening
discussions. I include myself in that number.

On 7 Jan, 12:28, Elt wrote:
Surely there is room on here for a bit of "topical" off topic chat?? Or
am I being naive again

Elt

There are those on this newsgroup who 'claim' to use the kill file facility.
Might I respectfully suggest that if you are so paranoid about my postings,
that you actually "USE" said facility?

I feel sure that
http://www.globalretreatcentre.org.u...reats.htmwould
help you with your understanding and tolerance of other human beings.

Kindest possible regards

I feel you have missed the point, 'Mike'.

Consider this newsgroup to be a garden path, and that something
unpleasant has been left in the middle of it by an animal. The proper
solution is to remove the obstruction, rather than to expect everyone
to walk on the garden to avoid it.

As Fuschia pointed out, there are a number of people who are tired of
your continual self-promotion and diversions from real gardening
discussions. I include myself in that number.

Far be it for me to defend Mike, but this time the subject was gardens
in Madeira,
and it has given rise to Charlie's answer listing other gardens and
their location.
Had he been extolling the virtues of cruses then it would have been
right off topic.
I consider the way that most cruses are structured the participants
are just a glorified bunch of day trippers.
But then the real thing is the on-board life, and not the brief
stops .
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

"Elt" wrote in message
...
Surely there is room on here for a bit of "topical" off topic chat?? Or
am I being naive again

Elt

only by those who deem to 'own' the newsgroup and thereby use it for their
'public' emails.

Had you noticed that even though I posted a useful GARDENING topic, those
who 'own' the site soon turned against me again :-) ?????

Sad sad souls

Om Shanti

Kindest regards to ALL and here's wishing you ALL a very Happy and MORE
TOLERANT New Year to your fellow human beings :-))

Mike


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'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there.

I consider the way that most cruses are structured the participants
are just a glorified bunch of day trippers.

Agreed with the proviso that it gives you a chance to see many places with
the advantage of 'only unpacking once'. It is for this reason that we cruise
and have the added advantage of 'returning' to places again and again. I
clearly stated that I was in Madeira earlier in the year and missed things.
I was able to return and 'saw things'. hen we did the World Cruise in 2006
we visited Australia on 3 very brief stops and New Zealand on one. Next
Winter we fly to New Zealand and have a visit, then cruise more of New
Zealand and cruise to Australia. We then fly/tour parts of Australia 'we
wish to see', which includes more than a 'lightening' visit to Sydney before
flying home.

But then the real thing is the on-board life, and not the brief
stops .

Exactly :-))

The people you meet :-)) .......... including some urglers in the Botanic
Gradens ;-)

The food and the service :-(( (Just put 7 lbs on)

etc etc etc

David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

Kind regards

Mike


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www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there.

On 7/1/08 12:28, in article ,
"Elt" wrote:

Surely there is room on here for a bit of "topical" off topic chat?? Or
am I being naive again

Elt
snip

Again? Have you been naïve here before? ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Sacha wrote:
On 7/1/08 12:28, in article ,
"Elt" wrote:

Surely there is room on here for a bit of "topical" off topic chat?? Or
am I being naive again

Elt
snip

Again? Have you been naïve here before? ;-)

I'm always naive, its the only way to learn

Elt wrote:

Surely there is room on here for a bit of "topical" off topic chat?? Or
am I being naive again

There is, just as surely as there are people who would argue over whether
the sun rises in the morning.

A bit of an off-topic story... with the caveat that I am NOT a world
traveler, having done most of my travel all expenses paid many years ago
courtesy of the U.S. Navy!

In 2000, my dear wife took us on a cruise to Hawaii.... lots of stuff to
see; not enough time to see it all. But I especially loved Kaua'I for its
relative lack of touristyness. Sadly, she passed away the next year.
Soooo.... a couple of years later when I felt like living again, I found a
Bed and Breakfast on that island, rented a car, and just spent a couple of
weeks bumming around, taking all the time I wanted so grok the sights.

The National Tropical Botanical Garden is just spectacular, especially so
when you've got all day to wander around, and Limahuli Gardens on the north
shore (where I stayed) specializes in native plants and a nice view of
Makana Mountain, which played a movie role as "Bali Hai" some years ago.

Oh, and little local altars in the lava, with recent offerings to the local
Deities; I paid my respects to Pele, though She has long since moved to the
newer land with active volcanoes.

Locally, there's not much to do but watch the dormant plants and hope the
Kale makes it through winter to set seed next summer. And clean a whole
bunch of seed heads, currently in paper shopping bags in the closet. And
watch the wheel of the stars march across the sky, reminding me that spring
is out there somewhere!

Peace,


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:46:14 -0800 (PST), Dave Hill
wrote:

Dave, I hope this works since I'm not used to cutting posts about

Far be it for me to defend Mike, but this time the subject was gardens
in Madeira,
and it has given rise to Charlie's answer listing other gardens and
their location.
Yes, Charlie did respond with an interesting answer about other
gardens and I was looking forward to some more of the same.

Had he been extolling the virtues of cruses then it would have been
right off topic.
But that's exactly what he did in his second post, ignoring the
gardens completely and going off on his usual self-gratification.

I consider the way that most cruses are structured the participants
are just a glorified bunch of day trippers.
I can't comment on that, have never been interested in cruises.

As always with 'Mike' the mention of gardening was just a pretext to
go off on his usual ego-trips.