On May 28, 12:07*pm, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:51:19 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:







"Derek" wrote in message
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Cat(h)" wrote in message
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Love your post, Cath, although I have no idea what you're talking about
(no telly but ***** to Mr Tit)!

What's this, though, about grafting leeks?

I've sown leeks for the first time ever because a grandson has grown them
in France and waxed lyrical about their form as they grew (he's an
artist).

Never heard of grafting them though ...

Mary
Tree Leeks ??? *

Birch sap wine?

Latex?
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Is this a further example of thread drift, and are we getting kinky?

Cat(h)

No way do you need to apologise. If anyone does have a "problem" with this
subject they really need to take a long hard realistic look at themselves
and their attitudes. All of use will die, full stop, end of story, no
avoiding it. So why deny it? I must put a bit in my will to stuff a few
hundred quid behind the bar of the pub so people can have a drink and
celebrate either knowing me or not having to put up with me any more.

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Cheers
Dave.




You would have loved the cremation I went to a couple of weeks ago. A very
charismatic lady who rode around on a bike with a big wicker basket on the
front. Everybody loved her. Life and soul of any party or group. Suddenly
got cancer of the spine and was given weeks to live. During that time, she
arranged her own funeral with the vicar and her husband.

Her entry of the crem was to the music of "Entry of the Clowns" and on the
front of her coffin was her big wicker basket! The crem erupted in laughter
and tears. The Vicar started the service and then said that Chris had made a
recording which she wanted playing to the gathered friends and family. (I
must add here that it was standing room only and others crowded in the
porchway or entrance). Christine came onto the speakers with "Now pay
attention, because I am only going to say this once. I want you to sing with
gusto and if I don't think you are singing loud enough I will bang three
times, like this ....." and I suppose she thumped the table. She then said a
few more words and ended with "Well that's my lot, over to Nick the Vic"
meaning Nicholas the Vicar

As someone said afterwards, that was the best cremation/funeral service they
had ever been to. And that's how I want mine to be :-)) Not soon enough for
some people I know, you don't to say it :-)))

As Dave says. No one, no matter how important you are in life on even on
these newsgroups, will escape death. The most honest prediction is that all
readers of this newsgroup will die.

Accept it.

Mike

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:50:32 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

*Something* is 'going to happen' to all of us, none of us is immortal
and death can be protrated, which gives time to prepare, or sudden,
which is a shock although we comfort ourselves by saying that it was
quick, no suffering etc.

Or even in between, my mother had a stroke completely out of the blue. If
that stroke had taken her it wouldn't have been any less of a shock or
trauma but it didn't. Instead she was paralised with only some limited
facial expression and minimal use of one hand. She went from an fit and
active 77 year old to being bed ridden, fully incontinent and utterly
dependant on others in the blink of eye. Her mind was still all there you
could see it in her eyes, expressions and reaction to conversation. That
was far worse to witness than the shock of the stroke or her death 6 days
later.

You're right. There's no really good way. My mother died last year, at 96,
peacefully and not suffering. Bus she hadn't been of this world for some
time and said she was content, who could want more?

There's no good way for survivors.

True, but death is part of life, one has to live with it not deny it.

Quite right.

My mothers death, a roll over road accident and being scared shitless out
in the Gulf just before Gulf War I have taught me that there is much more
to life than material things.

Indeed.

Thanks for listening, Judith, and I apologise to anyone who has read the
above and is affronted because it's off-topic.

No way do you need to apologise. If anyone does have a "problem" with this
subject they really need to take a long hard realistic look at themselves
and their attitudes. All of use will die, full stop, end of story, no
avoiding it. So why deny it? I must put a bit in my will to stuff a few
hundred quid behind the bar of the pub so people can have a drink and
celebrate either knowing me or not having to put up with me any more.

Our family has been instructed that they must organise a diy funeral for
both of us. They're perfectly capable of making coffins from any material,
preferably scrap. I'd prefer just a plank and winding sheet. No undertakers
must be let near.

Then they're to look at the current prices of a commercial (for that's what
they are) funeral and use that part of the estate to have the party of all
times. They must all drink to being rid of the old bugger/s.

Mary

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Cheers
Dave.

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
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Sorry Mary. This is sad. I hope that your kid rethink their
attitude. I know that they'll regret it in time.

It was only our oldest daughter - she's no longer a kid. Almost 50 :-)

I'll join Judith in a cyberhug.

Thank you - but don't squeeze too hard, I'm still tender after ten years :-)

Mary

On May 29, 5:42*pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message

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* * Sorry Mary. *This is sad. *I hope that your kid rethink their
attitude. *I know that they'll regret it in time.

It was only our oldest daughter - she's no longer a kid. Almost 50 :-)

Of course she is still your kid :-) I lost both my parents some years
ago, and I still miss them to this day. I envy your kid for still
having her parents, but I feel sorry for her for not having the sense
to realise her fortune.
But enough about that.


* * I'll join Judith in a cyberhug.

Thank you - but don't squeeze too hard, I'm still tender after ten years :-)

Cyberhugs are extremely safe :-)


Cat(h)

On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:21:15 -0700 (PDT), Cat(h) wrote:

There goes my thread on telly gardening :-)

There are at least two others...

I don't watch much TV and the only Gardeners Worlds I can really remember
are ones I worked on, in the early 80's pre (pre?) Titchmarsh. These were
of the style that many here are hankering after, proper hands on gardening
relating to the season, latin names superimposed over a good image of the
plant etc.

Sadly I can't see that sort of programme returning at least not on the
mainstream channels they are just after the ratings and The Great Unwashed
want fashionable "lifestyle" stuff that they get some one in to provide
for them in a week and then change in a couple of years times when fashion
as fashion changes.

I'd like to see a good 15min daily programme about the weather, using the
proper technical langauge and discussion of the forecast and recent past
events (why they got it wrong or right). I think their might be something
"Weatherview"? but they keep shifting it about the schedule so I can never
find it.

This is one aspect that technology may be able to help with a PVR that
will track and record a programme for you no matter when it goes out. Also
the technology is now available for almost anyone to shoot and edit/dub a
video on their PC, the biggest problem is coming up with the ideas to
include in each weekly show.

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Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:21:15 -0700 (PDT), Cat(h) wrote:

There goes my thread on telly gardening :-)

There are at least two others...

....

I'd like to see a good 15min daily programme about the weather, using the
proper technical langauge and discussion of the forecast and recent past
events (why they got it wrong or right).

What a good idea!

For radio, in my case :-)

The best forecasts - i.e. the most reliable - are those very early in the
morning, for farmers.

The fishing ones late at night are a joy to hear and can be useful even
inland.

Mary

On 30/5/08 11:59, in article
, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:21:15 -0700 (PDT), Cat(h) wrote:

There goes my thread on telly gardening :-)

There are at least two others...

I don't watch much TV and the only Gardeners Worlds I can really remember
are ones I worked on, in the early 80's pre (pre?) Titchmarsh. These were
of the style that many here are hankering after, proper hands on gardening
relating to the season, latin names superimposed over a good image of the
plant etc.

Sadly I can't see that sort of programme returning at least not on the
mainstream channels they are just after the ratings and The Great Unwashed
want fashionable "lifestyle" stuff that they get some one in to provide
for them in a week and then change in a couple of years times when fashion
as fashion changes.

I'd like to see a good 15min daily programme about the weather, using the
proper technical langauge and discussion of the forecast and recent past
events (why they got it wrong or right). I think their might be something
"Weatherview"? but they keep shifting it about the schedule so I can never
find it.

This is one aspect that technology may be able to help with a PVR that
will track and record a programme for you no matter when it goes out. Also
the technology is now available for almost anyone to shoot and edit/dub a
video on their PC, the biggest problem is coming up with the ideas to
include in each weekly show.

I'd just like to see them get the forecast right for somewhere that is 30
mins drive away, now they're in Exeter. ;-) I think the shipping
forecasts are the most reliable.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:17:21 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

I'd like to see a good 15min daily programme about the weather,

What a good idea!

For radio, in my case :-)

My brian switches off for some reason with the normal Radio 4 forecasts,
at least the longer ones that have any useful information. It also
irritates me that they don't go around the country in any form of standard
way or regional grouping.

The best forecasts - i.e. the most reliable - are those very early in
the morning, for farmers.

Yep, and for some reason they don't send me to sleep. I'm rarely up in
time to catch those though.

The fishing ones late at night are a joy to hear and can be useful even
inland.

The Shipping Forecast and/or Gale Warnings. Very good and always go around
the areas in the same order and no time wasting wibble like "it's going to
rain, so take a coat" or "it's cold, wrap up warm".

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:40:56 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

Then they're to look at the current prices of a commercial (for that's
what they are) funeral

I don't like the idea of being stuck in a box 6' under and left to rot. I
don't think the fairly recent rule changes on burials etc allow for a
funeral pyre on ones own land. So I'm stuck with a commercial kiln and
being scattered over my (ex) land.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:17:21 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

I'd like to see a good 15min daily programme about the weather,
What a good idea!

For radio, in my case :-)

My brian switches off for some reason with the normal Radio 4 forecasts,
at least the longer ones that have any useful information. It also
irritates me that they don't go around the country in any form of standard
way or regional grouping.

The best forecasts - i.e. the most reliable - are those very early in
the morning, for farmers.

Yep, and for some reason they don't send me to sleep. I'm rarely up in
time to catch those though.

The fishing ones late at night are a joy to hear and can be useful even
inland.

The Shipping Forecast and/or Gale Warnings. Very good and always go around
the areas in the same order and no time wasting wibble like "it's going to
rain, so take a coat" or "it's cold, wrap up warm".


Or special mention of particular sporting events, presumably based on
the idea that the people attending will have no idea where they are
geographically.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:17:21 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

I'd like to see a good 15min daily programme about the weather,

What a good idea!

For radio, in my case :-)

My brian switches off for some reason with the normal Radio 4 forecasts,
at least the longer ones that have any useful information. It also
irritates me that they don't go around the country in any form of standard
way or regional grouping.

The best forecasts - i.e. the most reliable - are those very early in
the morning, for farmers.

Yep, and for some reason they don't send me to sleep. I'm rarely up in
time to catch those though.

The fishing ones late at night are a joy to hear and can be useful even
inland.

The Shipping Forecast and/or Gale Warnings.

Yes, I couldn't think of the word 'shipping' until I was skinning a Dover
sole. When I did I was so distracted I cut my finger - blood on the keyboard
:-)

Very good and always go around
the areas in the same order and no time wasting wibble like "it's going to
rain, so take a coat" or "it's cold, wrap up warm".

Or it's a chilly old day out there ...

Never a new day, never over there ...

Mary

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:40:56 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

Then they're to look at the current prices of a commercial (for that's
what they are) funeral

I don't like the idea of being stuck in a box 6' under and left to rot. I
don't think the fairly recent rule changes on burials etc allow for a
funeral pyre on ones own land. So I'm stuck with a commercial kiln and
being scattered over my (ex) land.

Ah but rotting is another way of recycling so of course I'd prefer it :-)

Burning is polluting. And energy hungry :-(

Mary

On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:08:58 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

Burning is polluting. And energy hungry :-(

A timber fired pyre isn't polluting...

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Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:08:58 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

Burning is polluting. And energy hungry :-(

A timber fired pyre isn't polluting...


Sorry -- incorrect.

Pete