Hi all

Following the removal of some conifers, I plan to expand my veg patch and
need to form a strategy for next year.
Is there a site which tells you what to plant when, how to prepare the
ground etc to give as good a yield as possible.
We're not too fussy over veg so a general cover all will probably suit.
I am also interested in the crop rotation element.
Not a total beginner but not far off.

TIA

Phil

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from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Following the removal of some conifers, I plan to expand my veg patch and
need to form a strategy for next year.
Is there a site which tells you what to plant when, how to prepare the
ground etc to give as good a yield as possible.
We're not too fussy over veg so a general cover all will probably suit.
I am also interested in the crop rotation element.
Not a total beginner but not far off.

Well, you seem to have dropped into the right spot, but it's all in the
Urglers, not tabulated.

Forget 'sites', there are books that will do that for you.

Reliably.

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:12:56 GMT, Rusty_Hinge
wrote:

The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Following the removal of some conifers, I plan to expand my veg patch and
need to form a strategy for next year.
Is there a site which tells you what to plant when, how to prepare the
ground etc to give as good a yield as possible.
We're not too fussy over veg so a general cover all will probably suit.
I am also interested in the crop rotation element.
Not a total beginner but not far off.

Before you plant anything you will have to improve the soil where you
have had conifers, otherwise there is little point in planting any
veg. Get loads of manure.


Pam in Bristol

The ground will be so acidic from the conifer needles that it will be useless without loads of inputs - mushroom compost comes to mind as it is always full of lime. As other posters have said, just get a book, from the library if nec. The Doc Hessayon "Vegetable and Herb Expert" guided me thro my first years with an allotment. Just checked on Amazon and you can get a second hand one for less than 3 quid

Janet Conroy wrote:
Pam Moore;821693 Wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:12:56 GMT, Rusty_Hinge
wrote:
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from "TheScullster" contains these words:
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Following the removal of some conifers, I plan to expand my veg patch
and
need to form a strategy for next year.
Is there a site which tells you what to plant when, how to prepare the

ground etc to give as good a yield as possible.
We're not too fussy over veg so a general cover all will probably
suit.
I am also interested in the crop rotation element.
Not a total beginner but not far off.--

Before you plant anything you will have to improve the soil where you
have had conifers, otherwise there is little point in planting any
veg. Get loads of manure.


Pam in Bristol

The ground will be so acidic from the conifer needles that it will be
useless without loads of inputs - mushroom compost comes to mind as it
is always full of lime. As other posters have said, just get a book,
from the library if nec. The Doc Hessayon "Vegetable and Herb Expert"
guided me thro my first years with an allotment. Just checked on Amazon
and you can get a second hand one for less than 3 quid




Crop rotation is I good theory, but I find it nigh impossible. I just
don't use equal areas of land for each type of crop! anyone ideas to get
around this problem?

"Pam Moore" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:12:56 GMT, Rusty_Hinge
wrote:

The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Following the removal of some conifers, I plan to expand my veg patch
and
need to form a strategy for next year.
Is there a site which tells you what to plant when, how to prepare the
ground etc to give as good a yield as possible.
We're not too fussy over veg so a general cover all will probably suit.
I am also interested in the crop rotation element.
Not a total beginner but not far off.

Before you plant anything you will have to improve the soil where you
have had conifers, otherwise there is little point in planting any
veg. Get loads of manure.

And lime as soil under conifers is very often made more acidic than
originally.

--
Chris.
Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus.

On Nov 5, 4:30 pm, "Cerumen" wrote:
"Pam Moore" wrote in message

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:12:56 GMT, Rusty_Hinge
wrote:

The message
from "TheScullster" contains these words:

Following the removal of some conifers, I plan to expand my veg patch
and
need to form a strategy for next year.
Is there a site which tells you what to plant when, how to prepare the
ground etc to give as good a yield as possible.
We're not too fussy over veg so a general cover all will probably suit.
I am also interested in the crop rotation element.
Not a total beginner but not far off.

Before you plant anything you will have to improve the soil where you
have had conifers, otherwise there is little point in planting any
veg. Get loads of manure.

And lime as soil under conifers is very often made more acidic than
originally.

--
Chris.
Mater tua criceta fuit, et pater tuo redoluit bacarum sambucus.

Definitely Chris, it's a good place to grow shrubs though,
Rhododendrons do very well, mine do anyway.

Judith

On Nov 5 2008, 9:02*am, Broadback wrote:
Crop rotation is I good theory, but I find it nigh impossible. I just
don't use equal areas of land for each type of crop! anyone ideas to get
around this problem?

Make a plan of your plot/garden and nail it to your shed door. Like
this you will see what you had the previous year and throughout the
year you can think about the following year. Equal parts have nothing
to do with crop rotation - you can inter plan, mix and match in your
flower border etc. You just got to remember which crop will benefit
after other crop and not plant the same crops at the same place every
year.

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On Nov 5 2008, 9:02 am, Broadback wrote:
Crop rotation is I good theory, but I find it nigh impossible. I just
don't use equal areas of land for each type of crop! anyone ideas to get
around this problem?

Crop rotation doesn't need to be all that rigid. If you run out of space in
the bean plot and put a row of beans where the beans were last year, it's
not going to hurt. What is bad is continually growing the same crop in the
same place year after year, because the nutrients become depleted, and pests
and diseases can concentrate there.

We all bung stuff in where we can towards the end of planting when space is
tight. Don't worry about it.

Steve

On Jan 3, 9:05*pm, "shazzbat"
wrote:
We all bung stuff in where we can towards the end of planting when space is
tight. Don't worry about it.

And the surprises this can also give ... I had discovered some broad
beans tucked under the comfrey which had taken so much place withing
seconds! This year I'm trying a new kale, the Dinosaur one - just to
see how big it can get. Also a new cabbage for me, the Winnigstatd. I
often buy it because it is so sweet - I'm hitching to get going. What
about you, anything new this year?

ps. Don't forget to pop to Chorlton if you're up again. Tesco has
taken over part of our 'village', even though we were all against it.
I won't bother bothering again. It makes no difference.

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On Jan 3, 9:05 pm, "shazzbat"
wrote:
We all bung stuff in where we can towards the end of planting when space
is
tight. Don't worry about it.

And the surprises this can also give ... I had discovered some broad
beans tucked under the comfrey which had taken so much place withing
seconds! This year I'm trying a new kale, the Dinosaur one - just to
see how big it can get. Also a new cabbage for me, the Winnigstatd. I
often buy it because it is so sweet - I'm hitching to get going. What
about you, anything new this year?

ps. Don't forget to pop to Chorlton if you're up again. Tesco has
taken over part of our 'village', even though we were all against it.
I won't bother bothering again. It makes no difference.

Don't tell me about change in Chorlton, I remember watching steam trains
there. And the building of the *new* Woolworths on Nicholas Rd. It was
known as new Woolworths for years and years.

Anyway, just about everything is going to be new on our plot this year.
Perhaps you didn't hear, but the water Co decided to do this -

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture016.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture015.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture008.jpg


to our allotment, and we're going to be repairing the damage for some time
yet. Abstrads.

Steve

On Jan 4, 12:06*pm, "shazzbat"
wrote:
Don't tell me about change in Chorlton, I remember watching steam trains
there. And the building of the *new* Woolworths on Nicholas Rd. It was
known as new Woolworths for years and years.

It's gone. Got 20 knickers for £3, 20 pair of kid socks for £1 and
tons of pick and mix for a fiver )

Anyway, just about everything is going to be new on our plot this year.
Perhaps you didn't hear, but the water Co decided to do this -
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture016.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture015.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture008.jpg
*to our allotment, and we're going to be repairing the damage for some time
yet. Abstrads.

Good God Steve. The second photo is almost reasuring, until you get to
the 3rd. I had wish you, on another thread, no more flood this year.
Surely there's some light at the end of this nonsense tunnel?!? Are
you going to recover? Or are you leaving/staying put? Any compensation?

On Jan 4, 3:17*pm, "shazzbat"
wrote:
We should now be able to grow some stuff this year, and in a couple of
years, the soil is going to be fantastic, no? There's no shortage of worms
now, and the robins are loving it.

Brilliant!! What a result! You deserve it. Don't forget a lil' corner
to remember me with the valerian - you still got it, haven't you ;o)
All the very best this year indeed. Lets exchange some seeds - I've
got a surplus of haricot, fancy some?

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On Jan 4, 3:17 pm, "shazzbat"
wrote:
We should now be able to grow some stuff this year, and in a couple of
years, the soil is going to be fantastic, no? There's no shortage of worms
now, and the robins are loving it.

Brilliant!! What a result! You deserve it. Don't forget a lil' corner
to remember me with the valerian - you still got it, haven't you ;o)
All the very best this year indeed. Lets exchange some seeds - I've
got a surplus of haricot, fancy some?

Yes, we've still got it, it's in the garden here at home. Maggie sends her
regards by the way. As for seeds, we grew nothing last year, so have nothing
to swap. Some haricots would be appreciated, assuming they're the climbing
type. I don't wish to sound picky, but I've given up on dwarfy beans.
Getting trampled underfoot, straggling everywhere, harbouring S&S, more
trouble than they're worth.


Steve

On 5 Jan, 09:13, "shazzbat" wrote:
Yes, we've still got it, it's in the garden here at home. Maggie sends her
regards by the way. As for seeds, we grew nothing last year, so have nothing
to swap. Some haricots would be appreciated, assuming they're the climbing
type. I don't wish to sound picky, but I've given up on dwarfy beans.
Getting trampled underfoot, straggling everywhere, harbouring S&S, more
trouble than they're worth.

Most excellent. Seeds on their way. Regards to Maggie too.