On 2013-07-07 14:17:38 +0100, Bob Hobden said:

"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sacha" wrote...

Ray was really incensed the other day to see that another nursery with
a fifth of our staff, is charging £3.50 for a pack of 6 baby lettuces.
Ours are £2.50 and there is absonlutely no justification in organic
being more expensive at this stage in their growth! The compost they're
grown in (if different) may be slightly more costly, but that would add
maybe 1p to the whole tray! But while I can understand fully grown
organic veg being more expensive as their care, treatment and
harvesting take more man hours, this is absolutely not the case with
lettuce plants a couple of inches high. This gives organic growers a
bad name though thankfully, not all do this.

Our little local nursery, Dunkirk Nursery in Egham, sells all veg
plants at £1 for a strip of 12 and very good quality. It means it's
actually not worth your while growing them yourself unless you want
something specific.


Just found this, can't believe they have a Facebook page. Must be one
of the Grandchildren's doing.

https://www.facebook.com/DunkirkNurseryEgham

And a web site, Bob, though you probably know that!
http://dunkirkplantnursery.co.uk/
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Sacha" wrote ...

Bob Hobden said:

"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sacha" wrote...

Ray was really incensed the other day to see that another nursery with
a fifth of our staff, is charging £3.50 for a pack of 6 baby lettuces.
Ours are £2.50 and there is absonlutely no justification in organic
being more expensive at this stage in their growth! The compost they're
grown in (if different) may be slightly more costly, but that would add
maybe 1p to the whole tray! But while I can understand fully grown
organic veg being more expensive as their care, treatment and
harvesting take more man hours, this is absolutely not the case with
lettuce plants a couple of inches high. This gives organic growers a
bad name though thankfully, not all do this.

Our little local nursery, Dunkirk Nursery in Egham, sells all veg plants
at £1 for a strip of 12 and very good quality. It means it's actually
not worth your while growing them yourself unless you want something
specific.


Just found this, can't believe they have a Facebook page. Must be one of
the Grandchildren's doing.

https://www.facebook.com/DunkirkNurseryEgham

And a web site, Bob, though you probably know that!
http://dunkirkplantnursery.co.uk/


No, I didn't know that. Certainly has to be one of the younger members of
the family getting them into the 21st century. It's a ramshackled old place
but they grow good plants. Very popular with the local Allotment folk.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

I wonder how many of the worried well remain well because they have worried?

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:28:53 AM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:


We are not greedy, Baz. Please don't expect nurserymen and their staff

to work from 8 in the morning until 5 at night, or later, in all

weathers, so that you can pay too little for quite a lot. There's a

big difference between making a living and profiteering and

approximately 40p a plant for which someone else has done the basic

work and bought the seed, is hardly expensive! You appear to think we

should be a charity and give you cheap plants. Like every other

business, we have to pay wages, insurance, taxes, council tax, rates,

oil bills, maintenance and if we're lucky, eat. Just because these

are plants, there are a few people like you who appear to think a

nursery business is just an offshoot of hobby gardening and that they

should be sold for twopence. Very offensive.

Sacha

But don't forget Sacha, anybody can do it - it's just money growing on trees in the nursery trade.
I'd like to see 'em try it for a couple of seasons if they last that long.
Rod

On 2013-07-07 17:08:40 +0100, Bob Hobden said:

"Sacha" wrote ...

Bob Hobden said:

"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sacha" wrote...

Ray was really incensed the other day to see that another nursery with
a fifth of our staff, is charging £3.50 for a pack of 6 baby lettuces.
Ours are £2.50 and there is absonlutely no justification in organic
being more expensive at this stage in their growth! The compost they're
grown in (if different) may be slightly more costly, but that would add
maybe 1p to the whole tray! But while I can understand fully grown
organic veg being more expensive as their care, treatment and
harvesting take more man hours, this is absolutely not the case with
lettuce plants a couple of inches high. This gives organic growers a
bad name though thankfully, not all do this.

Our little local nursery, Dunkirk Nursery in Egham, sells all veg
plants at £1 for a strip of 12 and very good quality. It means it's
actually not worth your while growing them yourself unless you want
something specific.


Just found this, can't believe they have a Facebook page. Must be one
of the Grandchildren's doing.

https://www.facebook.com/DunkirkNurseryEgham

And a web site, Bob, though you probably know that!
http://dunkirkplantnursery.co.uk/


No, I didn't know that. Certainly has to be one of the younger members
of the family getting them into the 21st century. It's a ramshackled
old place but they grow good plants. Very popular with the local
Allotment folk.

It's one of my young that bullied me/us onto Twitter and Facebook!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2013-07-07 17:47:07 +0100, kay said:

Martin Brown;987026 Wrote:

to pander to the whims of the worried well


I wonder how many of the worried well remain well because they have
worried?

Always a good point, I feel! ;-)
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2013-07-07 18:46:25 +0100, Rod said:

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:28:53 AM UTC+1, Sacha wrote:


We are not greedy, Baz. Please don't expect nurserymen and their staff

to work from 8 in the morning until 5 at night, or later, in all

weathers, so that you can pay too little for quite a lot. There's a

big difference between making a living and profiteering and

approximately 40p a plant for which someone else has done the basic

work and bought the seed, is hardly expensive! You appear to think we

should be a charity and give you cheap plants. Like every other

business, we have to pay wages, insurance, taxes, council tax, rates,

oil bills, maintenance and if we're lucky, eat. Just because these

are plants, there are a few people like you who appear to think a

nursery business is just an offshoot of hobby gardening and that they

should be sold for twopence. Very offensive.

Sacha

But don't forget Sacha, anybody can do it - it's just money growing on
trees in the nursery trade.
I'd like to see 'em try it for a couple of seasons if they last that long.
Rod

My stepson has a nominal 'day off' once a week. In practice, he spends
it delivering plants to customers, or talking to people who want
landscaping and gardening advice. So in fact, both he and Ray work
7/7. Few people not born to it can manage that.
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

My stepson has a nominal 'day off' once a week. In practice, he spends
it delivering plants to customers, or talking to people who want
landscaping and gardening advice. So in fact, both he and Ray work 7/7.
Few people not born to it can manage that.


What's a "Day off"?
as for 9 -5 work.
Finished watering the dahlias last night at 10.15pm and the wind then
felt as if someone had opened the oven door, at midnight the temp
outside was 70f, down from a high of 81f.
This year I am growing all of the dahlias; except the tree dahlias; in 8
inch pots plunged through ground cover membrane, and am mixing a compost
of 50/50 peat and coir with added pearlite.
It dries much quicker so is taking some getting used to.
I'm also having problems with a couple of crows who've pulled out
several plants. and a fox that jumps over the electric netting to cross
the field, to lazy to walk round the outside.
David @ a hot Swansea Bay

Somebody will now come up with "The quick Brown Fox

"David Hill" wrote in message ...


My stepson has a nominal 'day off' once a week. In practice, he spends
it delivering plants to customers, or talking to people who want
landscaping and gardening advice. So in fact, both he and Ray work 7/7.
Few people not born to it can manage that.


What's a "Day off"?
as for 9 -5 work.
Finished watering the dahlias last night at 10.15pm and the wind then
felt as if someone had opened the oven door, at midnight the temp
outside was 70f, down from a high of 81f.
This year I am growing all of the dahlias; except the tree dahlias; in 8
inch pots plunged through ground cover membrane, and am mixing a compost
of 50/50 peat and coir with added pearlite.
It dries much quicker so is taking some getting used to.
I'm also having problems with a couple of crows who've pulled out
several plants. and a fox that jumps over the electric netting to cross
the field, to lazy to walk round the outside.
David @ a hot Swansea Bay

On 07/07/2013 17:47, kay wrote:
Martin Brown;987026 Wrote:

to pander to the whims of the worried well

I wonder how many of the worried well remain well because they have
worried?

They are mostly vitamin pill popping hypochondriacs to boot!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 2013-07-08 09:34:36 +0100, David Hill said:


My stepson has a nominal 'day off' once a week. In practice, he spends
it delivering plants to customers, or talking to people who want
landscaping and gardening advice. So in fact, both he and Ray work 7/7.
Few people not born to it can manage that.


What's a "Day off"?
as for 9 -5 work.
Finished watering the dahlias last night at 10.15pm and the wind then
felt as if someone had opened the oven door, at midnight the temp
outside was 70f, down from a high of 81f.
This year I am growing all of the dahlias; except the tree dahlias; in
8 inch pots plunged through ground cover membrane, and am mixing a
compost of 50/50 peat and coir with added pearlite.
It dries much quicker so is taking some getting used to.
I'm also having problems with a couple of crows who've pulled out
several plants. and a fox that jumps over the electric netting to cross
the field, to lazy to walk round the outside.
David @ a hot Swansea Bay

Money for old rope being a nurseryman, eh? Last night, we had a drink
in the garden and Ray then watered most of the borders near the house
(having already done two of the glasshouses, while the staff did the
tunnels and third glasshouse before leaving) He then came in for
supper. At around 9, I heard Matthew going round, barrowing plants down
for today's customers, straightening up and generally getting ready for
the next day's work, as usual. As for the temperatures they're all
working in at the moment...!!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Sacha wrote in
:

On 2013-07-07 10:23:53 +0100, Baz said:

Sacha wrote in
:

Ray was really incensed the other day to see that another nursery
with a fifth of our staff, is charging £3.50 for a pack of 6 baby
lettuces. Ours are £2.50 and there is absonlutely no justification
in organic being more expensive at this stage in their growth! The
compost they're grown in (if different) may be slightly more costly,
but that would add maybe 1p to the whole tray! But while I can
understand fully grown organic veg being more expensive as their
care, treatment and harvesting take more man hours, this is
absolutely not the case with lettuce plants a couple of inches high.
This gives organic growers a bad name though thankfully, not all do
this.

This is one of those times when some git charges £2.50 for 6 and
another git charges £3.50 for 6. For goodnes sake all are grossly
overpriced. I would pay £1 for 50. If anyone would need to. It should
be classed as illegal, extortionate, or just pure greed. Yuk.

Baz

We are not greedy, Baz. Please don't expect nurserymen and their
staff to work from 8 in the morning until 5 at night, or later, in all
weathers, so that you can pay too little for quite a lot. There's a
big difference between making a living and profiteering and
approximately 40p a plant for which someone else has done the basic
work and bought the seed, is hardly expensive! You appear to think we
should be a charity and give you cheap plants. Like every other
business, we have to pay wages, insurance, taxes, council tax, rates,
oil bills, maintenance and if we're lucky, eat. Just because these
are plants, there are a few people like you who appear to think a
nursery business is just an offshoot of hobby gardening and that they
should be sold for twopence. Very offensive.

I wasn't trying to be offensive, Sacha.
I was saying that £2.50 to 3.50 for six plants is very very very
expensive. We can buy a fully grown lettuce for 60p
With the greatest of respect to you, Sacha, I say that the prices do not
offer any incentive to grow your own from your young plants at that
ridiculous price.

I am VERY sorry if I have offended you.
Baz

On 08/07/2013 09:55, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/07/2013 17:47, kay wrote:
Martin Brown;987026 Wrote:

to pander to the whims of the worried well

I wonder how many of the worried well remain well because they have
worried?

They are mostly vitamin pill popping hypochondriacs to boot!


Did you get bitten or otherwise assaulted by an organic vegetable while
you were young?

Martin wrote in
:

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:13:38 GMT, Baz wrote:

Sacha wrote in
:

On 2013-07-07 10:23:53 +0100, Baz said:

Sacha wrote in
:

Ray was really incensed the other day to see that another nursery
with a fifth of our staff, is charging £3.50 for a pack of 6 baby
lettuces. Ours are £2.50 and there is absonlutely no justification
in organic being more expensive at this stage in their growth! The
compost they're grown in (if different) may be slightly more
costly,
but that would add maybe 1p to the whole tray! But while I can
understand fully grown organic veg being more expensive as their
care, treatment and harvesting take more man hours, this is
absolutely not the case with lettuce plants a couple of inches
high.
This gives organic growers a bad name though thankfully, not all
do
this.

This is one of those times when some git charges £2.50 for 6 and
another git charges £3.50 for 6. For goodnes sake all are grossly
overpriced. I would pay £1 for 50. If anyone would need to. It
should
be classed as illegal, extortionate, or just pure greed. Yuk.

Baz

We are not greedy, Baz. Please don't expect nurserymen and their
staff to work from 8 in the morning until 5 at night, or later, in
all
weathers, so that you can pay too little for quite a lot. There's a
big difference between making a living and profiteering and
approximately 40p a plant for which someone else has done the basic
work and bought the seed, is hardly expensive! You appear to think
we
should be a charity and give you cheap plants. Like every other
business, we have to pay wages, insurance, taxes, council tax, rates,
oil bills, maintenance and if we're lucky, eat. Just because these
are plants, there are a few people like you who appear to think a
nursery business is just an offshoot of hobby gardening and that they
should be sold for twopence. Very offensive.

I wasn't trying to be offensive, Sacha.
I was saying that £2.50 to 3.50 for six plants is very very very
expensive. We can buy a fully grown lettuce for 60p
With the greatest of respect to you, Sacha, I say that the prices do
not
offer any incentive to grow your own from your young plants at that
ridiculous price.

I am VERY sorry if I have offended you.
Baz

One advantage of buying seedlings is that you can grow a small number
at a time. If you grow from a packet of seeds you either have to sow a
few at a time or have all the lettuces ready to eat at the same time.

NOT at those prices and the pitifully few seedlings. 6 of @41p each!!!

Baz

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:55:57 +0100, News wrote:


Did you get bitten or otherwise assaulted by an organic vegetable while
you were young?

Reminds me of the very funny film "Delicatessen".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicatessen_%28film%29





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Gardening in Lower Normandy