I get excited when any one wants horse manure, one day my prince will
come and take my muck heap away :-)

kate
gloucestershire just in case :-)

Where? Mail me, it's a spam trap, but I'll fish you out of there in a couple of
days:-)

Liz


Hi Liz
info on it`s way :-)
kate

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:21:22 +0100, "Alan Gabriel"
wrote:


snip

My friends daughter has just moved her horse to a field with one other
horse. One of the rental stipulations for the field is that they dispose of
all horse manure.

They bag it up and bring it to me. I would never have believed the amount of
s__t that comes out of two horses.

ATM the heap is 4' x 12' x 3' high - and it`s only been going for six weeks.

I`m in desperately need of 10 pallets to build three compost bins.

Back of any PC World.

I occasionally deliver goods to PC World. All their stuff is
palletised and they don't exchange so they end up with a large pile
which they're glad to see the back of. Just don't take any blue ones.

Andy

"Alan Gabriel" wrote in message
...

"Simon Avery" wrote in message
...
"PA" wrote:

Hello PA

P I'm going to cover my allotment over the winter, but I cant
P decide to use manure or compost. I can get a load of manure
P delivered for £25, but I don't how old it is or any thing
P else about it, the other option I thought of was, wicks have
P a special offer on at the mo, 3 x 90lt bags of compost £9 (
P peat based though ), I have some Marshall organic extra that
P I was going to mix with it. so the question is: manure
P better then compost? or use both? thanks Paul

Most horse places are only too willing to let you collect for free -
if you've got something to shift the stuff then it might work out a
lot cheaper, and you can be fussier about what you collect than if it
was delivered.



My friends daughter has just moved her horse to a field with one other
horse. One of the rental stipulations for the field is that they dispose
of
all horse manure.

They bag it up and bring it to me. I would never have believed the amount
of
s__t that comes out of two horses.

ATM the heap is 4' x 12' x 3' high - and it`s only been going for six
weeks.

I`m in desperately need of 10 pallets to build three compost bins.

--
Regards,
Alan.

Preserve wildlife - Pickle a SQUIRREL to reply.



I know where theres always free pallets in Berkshire

"Andy" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:21:22 +0100, "Alan Gabriel"
wrote:


snip

I`m in desperately need of 10 pallets to build three compost bins.

Back of any PC World.

I occasionally deliver goods to PC World. All their stuff is
palletised and they don't exchange so they end up with a large pile
which they're glad to see the back of. Just don't take any blue ones.



Thanks very much. There's a PC World store just opened nearby. I`ll ask
them.

--
Regards,
Alan.

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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:41:42 +0100, Kate Morgan wrote:


I get excited when any one wants horse manure, one day my prince will
come and take my muck heap away :-)

kate
gloucestershire just in case :-)

Where? Mail me, it's a spam trap, but I'll fish you out of there in a couple of
days:-)

Liz


Hi Liz
info on it`s way :-)
kate

Cool,

Reply on its way:-)

I just need to know what I need in the way of bags, and whether I can just bung it
straight on the soil and let nature take its course. Presumably so where I'm leaving
it bare for next years sweet peas etc, but what about where I'm about to plant
cabbages etc?


Liz

The message
from LizR contains these words:

I just need to know what I need in the way of bags, and whether I can
just bung it
straight on the soil and let nature take its course. Presumably so
where I'm leaving
it bare for next years sweet peas etc, but what about where I'm about
to plant
cabbages etc?

Really, you should grow greedy feeders on it the first year. Cabbage
doesn't do too well on freshly manured ground as it's too acid.

Typically, you should do well with cucurbits, cauliflower, celery,
weeds, (fat hen and some of the the other goose foot clan especially,
which make a fine green vegetable), tomatoes, chillis etc.

Give your cabbages some lime.

--
Rusty http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm
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reply.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:11:13 +0100, Rusty Hinge
wrote:

Really, you should grow greedy feeders on it the first year. Cabbage
doesn't do too well on freshly manured ground as it's too acid.

Typically, you should do well with cucurbits, cauliflower, celery,
weeds, (fat hen and some of the the other goose foot clan especially,
which make a fine green vegetable), tomatoes, chillis etc.

Thank you. Notes taken.


Give your cabbages some lime.

How, please?

Liz

"PA" wrote in message ...
Hello,
I'm going to cover my allotment over the winter, but I cant decide to use
manure or compost.
I can get a load of manure delivered for £25, but I don't how old it is or
any thing else about it, the other option I thought of was, wicks have a
special offer on at the mo, 3 x 90lt bags of compost £9 ( peat based
though ), I have some Marshall organic extra that I was going to mix with
it.
so the question is: manure better then compost?
or use both?
thanks
Paul
My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got an
opinion?

Alastair

Alastair wrote:
"PA" wrote in message
...
My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got an
opinion?



Depends how you make the compost.

In one go: Fill a 1m^3 compost bin with mixed greenery including weeds, and
it will get hot enough to sterilise the weed seeds in the early stages of
decomposition and worms etc will come in to do the rest.

Dribs and drabs: Plonk a bit of greenery on as when whim takes or the
weeding basket is full and the heap will never get hot enough to sterilize
and the result will be weed seed in the compost and a weedy allotment. This
is in fact what most of us do and in truth most of our compost heaps are
just big worm-bins! If you do it that way you must be religious about not
putting weeds in seed on the heap. General pruning, vegetable waste, veg
patch clearings - all are fine: But no weed seeds!

Paul Kelly wrote:
Alastair wrote:
"PA" wrote in message
...
My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got
an opinion?



Depends how you make the compost.

In one go: Fill a 1m^3 compost bin with mixed greenery including
weeds, and it will get hot enough to sterilise the weed seeds in the
early stages of decomposition and worms etc will come in to do the
rest.

Dribs and drabs: Plonk a bit of greenery on as when whim takes or the
weeding basket is full and the heap will never get hot enough to
sterilize and the result will be weed seed in the compost and a weedy
allotment. This is in fact what most of us do and in truth most of
our compost heaps are just big worm-bins! If you do it that way you
must be religious about not putting weeds in seed on the heap.
General pruning, vegetable waste, veg patch clearings - all are fine:
But no weed seeds!

Opps, should have said that Yes in my experience, manure guarantees weeds!

pk

In article ,
"Paul Kelly" writes:
| "PA" wrote in message
| ...
|
| My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
| allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got
| an opinion?
|
| Opps, should have said that Yes in my experience, manure guarantees
| weeds!

Neigh!

[ I.e. that is true only of horse manure. ]


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

(Alastair) wrote:

Hello Alastair

A My father always said that putting manure down would result
A in an allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or
A not. Anyone got an opinion?

Sound thinking, but depends on what the manurer was fed on. If horse
then grass is likely to propogate (a horse's gut isn't as efficient as
a cow's so is less likely to damage seeds), but horses don't generally
eat weeds of any sort, and won't eat seed heads when leaf is
available. We have corn growing on one of our muckheaps, but that's
probably due to waste feed rather than it coming through unscatched.

--
Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK Ý http://www.digdilem.org/

In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
| My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
| allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got
| an opinion?
|
| Opps, should have said that Yes in my experience, manure guarantees
| weeds!

Neigh!

[ I.e. that is true only of horse manure. ]
Nice one Nick :-) .... but,


Neigh neigh! The same guarantee of weeds is also said about farmyard
manure, poultry manure, organic composting, non-organic composting,
mulching, green manure, dug up subsoil, bought in topsoil, failed
herbicides, flame-throwers, rotovating, recycled lawn mowings, going on
holiday, hired help, free help, good friends, bad neighbours, wet
weather, dry weather, sunspots, phases of the moon, ley lines, .... and
so on ad finitum.

The fact is that plants will grow on soil whatever happens. Really
attentive gardeners will see to it that they are only the plants of
their choice. Others, myself included, have the company of self-set
plants among those growing by intention.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

In article ,
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
| My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
| allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got
| an opinion?
|
| Opps, should have said that Yes in my experience, manure guarantees
| weeds!

Neigh!

[ I.e. that is true only of horse manure. ]

Nice one Nick :-) .... but,

Neigh neigh! The same guarantee of weeds is also said about farmyard
manure, poultry manure, organic composting, non-organic composting,
mulching, green manure, dug up subsoil, bought in topsoil, failed
herbicides, flame-throwers, rotovating, recycled lawn mowings, going on
holiday, hired help, free help, good friends, bad neighbours, wet
weather, dry weather, sunspots, phases of the moon, ley lines, .... and
so on ad finitum.

I think that we are using a different interpretation of the question.
Rather like the difference between:

If I embed someone in a hundredweight of concrete and drop them
10 miles due west of Rockall, will it guarantee their demise?

and:

If I paint myself blue and dance naked under a full moon, will
it guarantee that the next solstice will occur?

The fact is that plants will grow on soil whatever happens. Really
attentive gardeners will see to it that they are only the plants of
their choice. Others, myself included, have the company of self-set
plants among those growing by intention.

Absolutely true. If wind and bird carried seeds do not grow on a
batch of compost or manure, then you have bought a pup.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Alastair" wrote in message
...
"PA" wrote in message
...
Hello,
I'm going to cover my allotment over the winter, but I cant decide to
use
manure or compost.
I can get a load of manure delivered for £25, but I don't how old it is
or
any thing else about it, the other option I thought of was, wicks have a
special offer on at the mo, 3 x 90lt bags of compost £9 ( peat based
though ), I have some Marshall organic extra that I was going to mix
with
it.
so the question is: manure better then compost?
or use both?
thanks
Paul
My father always said that putting manure down would result in an
allotment full of weeds. No idea if this is true or not. Anyone got an
opinion?

Alastair

If that was true I would have more weeds than garden !!!!!
I prefer to use thick layers in the compost bins but either method works
just fine