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tree recommendations wanted
I am sure someone out there can suggest a suitable tree for our front garden to replace the cherry which is now about 50 years old and has succumbed to a virus (brought on by the cable installations down out road) The front garden is about 30 foot long and about 40 foot wide (no idea of metric measurements!) The tree is almost on the boundary west boundary about 15 foot from the house but has never caused any problems. We like it because it gives shade in the summer due to the fact that our front wall faces south. The cherry is directly over the drains but again no problems. We have clay and slightly alkaline soil with loads and loads of flint. No doubt chalk some way down due to us being in the Chiltern area. Hedges on boundaries are hawthorn and about 8 feet high. Thought of a multi stemmed jaquemontii but would like a reasonable height, not the dreaded Robinia (false looking thing) Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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Janet Tweedy wrote in message ...
I am sure someone out there can suggest a suitable tree for our front garden to replace the cherry which is now about 50 years old and has succumbed to a virus (brought on by the cable installations down out road) The front garden is about 30 foot long and about 40 foot wide (no idea of metric measurements!) The tree is almost on the boundary west boundary about 15 foot from the house but has never caused any problems. We like it because it gives shade in the summer due to the fact that our front wall faces south. The cherry is directly over the drains but again no problems. We have clay and slightly alkaline soil with loads and loads of flint. No doubt chalk some way down due to us being in the Chiltern area. Hedges on boundaries are hawthorn and about 8 feet high. Thought of a multi stemmed jaquemontii but would like a reasonable height, not the dreaded Robinia (false looking thing) A malus floribunda would be in keeping with the "natural"-sounding site. Or a standard orchard apple looks beautiful in bloom: I don't really know why people don't use them as ornamentals (too slow for today's taste, perhaps). Or a self-fertile plum or a damson (you'd need to change the soil a bit after the fowering cherry, of course). I love the gnarly shapes mulberries grow into, but I know they make a mess. Mike. |
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"Jim W" wrote in message news:1g0rtsd.1jpv6fyefxn5sN%00senetnospamtodayta@m acunlimited.net... Janet Tweedy wrote: I am sure someone out there can suggest a suitable tree for our front garden to replace the cherry which is now about 50 years old and has succumbed to a virus (brought on by the cable installations down out road) The front garden is about 30 foot long and about 40 foot wide (no idea of metric measurements!) The tree is almost on the boundary west boundary about 15 foot from the house but has never caused any problems. We like it because it gives shade in the summer due to the fact that our front wall faces south. The cherry is directly over the drains but again no problems. We have clay and slightly alkaline soil with loads and loads of flint. No doubt chalk some way down due to us being in the Chiltern area. Hedges on boundaries are hawthorn and about 8 feet high. Thought of a multi stemmed jaquemontii but would like a reasonable height, not the dreaded Robinia (false looking thing) Why not.. Its very easily prunable to keep it to a good shape.. Someone up the road has one and its responded beautifully to pruning. Suggest Hiller colour Dictionary for ideas. And also the Lappen catalogue. www.lappen.de for a copy. How about a small Acacia from Eucalyptus.co.uk They are in Wales so would be able to advise as to hardiness. Beautiful feather foiliage, lovely flowers. A small dogwood (Cornus) I seem to remember one of the Snakebark Maple's makes a VERY attractive small tree as well. I have a snakebark maple. It is very attractive in winter when the bark shows up well, but it is less impressive in summer when it is in full leaf. Franz |
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1g0rtsd.1jpv6fyefxn5sN%00senetnospamtodayta@macun limited.net, Jim W writes Hiller colour Dictionary for ideas. Been through most of my RHS and other Plant books but they don't tell you the 'best' and worst' about the trees and actually having them in the garden! How about a small Acacia from Eucalyptus.co.uk Not very 'normal' though and prickly from what I remember. A small dogwood (Cornus) Too small Jim Would have liked something about 20 foot tall I think (eventually) I seem to remember one of the Snakebark Maple's makes a VERY attractive small tree as well. Got one of those (grew it from seed) but unless slow growing and not very shady in my soil. As its south facing you could push one of the more exotic fruits.. How about a slow growing Poncirus or something!-) Got two of them in pots, very very slow growing and both still under 2 foot If if was me I'd certainly be looking at the Agroforestry Research Trust Catalogue for ideas and maybe Clive Simm's etc for more;-) // Jim Thanks Jim I'll look there. janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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In article , Mike Lyle
writes A malus floribunda would be in keeping with the "natural"-sounding site. Or a standard orchard apple looks beautiful in bloom: I don't really know why people don't use them as ornamentals (too slow for today's taste, perhaps). Or a self-fertile plum or a damson (you'd need to change the soil a bit after the fowering cherry, of course). I love the gnarly shapes mulberries grow into, but I know they make a mess. Mike. Grown a mulberry from seed, now chopped to five foot and allowed to grow it's six foot of branches every year. Would the damson or plum be a bit messy? Would it affect the drains? janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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Janet Tweedy wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Lyle writes [...] Or a self-fertile plum or a damson (you'd need to change the soil a bit after the fowering cherry, of course).[...] Grown a mulberry from seed, now chopped to five foot and allowed to grow it's six foot of branches every year. Would the damson or plum be a bit messy? Would it affect the drains? You mean you wouldn't pick them? Gosh! But, no, they wouldn't be as messy as mulberries. If you leave them on the ground you'll have a plague of wasps, though. I don't think plum trees are much of problem with spreading roots; but I wouldn't plant any tree on top of a drain. Mike. |
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"Jim W" wrote in message news:1g0rtsd.1jpv6fyefxn5sN%00senetnospamtodayta@m acunlimited.net... [snip] How about a small Acacia from Eucalyptus.co.uk I am not aware of any acacia which is really hardy. Franz |
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1g0x853.1js4tkh1vbmfh5N%00senetnospamtodayta@macu nlimited.net, Jim W writes Not very 'normal' though and prickly from what I remember. Dunno but if you really want I could go up the Road in a week or 2 and take piccies.. Its very very attractive.. Feathery foiliage, bronzed tips in spring,.. yellow flowers.. Yes I know what it's like, I took one out of the garden when I moved here 30 years ago. I prefer to stick with fairly normal trees for Britain just because it gives the insects and birds something to feed on generally, but thanks for the offer Jim. A small dogwood (Cornus) Too small Jim Would have liked something about 20 foot tall I think (eventually) LOL OK.. How small is small!-) Well to me Cornus is small because if you want the red stems you must prune at least a third of them out every year and even the larger cornuses (ii?) aren't going to shade our living room very much I've got about four dogwoods but are you thinking of a specific one? As its south facing you could push one of the more exotic fruits.. How about a slow growing Poncirus or something!-) Got two of them in pots, very very slow growing and both still under 2 foot They are aren't they.. And they never flower! -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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In article , Mike Lyle
writes Janet Tweedy wrote in message ... In article , Mike Lyle writes [...] Or a self-fertile plum or a damson (you'd need to change the soil a bit after the fowering cherry, of course).[...] Grown a mulberry from seed, now chopped to five foot and allowed to grow it's six foot of branches every year. Would the damson or plum be a bit messy? Would it affect the drains? You mean you wouldn't pick them? Gosh! But, no, they wouldn't be as messy as mulberries. If you leave them on the ground you'll have a plague of wasps, though. No wasps just butterflies getting drunk on the rotting fruit that dripped into the water barrels. Told the tale of my mulberry often on this group so won't bore anyone again suffice to say I would NEVER grow a mulberry again and it would certainly go for the drains and heave up the foundations on my house! I don't think plum trees are much of problem with spreading roots; but I wouldn't plant any tree on top of a drain. Mike. Well it looks like someone did about 45 years ago or maybe longer because the wild cherry tree was here and all of 35 or 40 foot when we moved in and it has never rooted into the drains up till now. Presumably the drains were put in after the roots had spread out so that only anchor roots were in the vicinity and the feeder roots were actually further away? janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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In article , Janet Tweedy
writes Well to me Cornus is small because if you want the red stems you must prune at least a third of them out every year and even the larger cornuses (ii?) aren't going to shade our living room very much I've got about four dogwoods but are you thinking of a specific one? Cornuses aren't just about red stems! There are many species, grown for showy white bracts, berries, or elegance of form. Try for a start C. kousa, nuttali, mas I've only just come into this thread, but picked up you want a 20ft tree and would prefer a british native for the wildlife - have you considered whitebeam? Opening leaves show their white undersides and look like huge white tulips, then you have white flowers, and berries in the autumn. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Janet Tweedy
writes No wasps just butterflies getting drunk on the rotting fruit that dripped into the water barrels. Told the tale of my mulberry often on this group so won't bore anyone again suffice to say I would NEVER grow a mulberry again and it would certainly go for the drains and heave up the foundations on my house! I really don't know what was up with your mulberry. They're not known to be fast growing and mine certainly isn't, and no trouble with rotting fruit - it's too delicious and gets eaten straight away. Not at all the insipid berries you've described. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Janet Tweedy
writes Well to me Cornus is small because if you want the red stems you must prune at least a third of them out every year and even the larger cornuses (ii?) aren't going to shade our living room very much I've got about four dogwoods but are you thinking of a specific one? Cornuses aren't just about red stems! There are many species, grown for showy white bracts, berries, or elegance of form. Try for a start C. kousa, nuttali, mas I've only just come into this thread, but picked up you want a 20ft tree and would prefer a british native for the wildlife - have you considered whitebeam? Opening leaves show their white undersides and look like huge white tulips, then you have white flowers, and berries in the autumn. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Janet Tweedy
writes No wasps just butterflies getting drunk on the rotting fruit that dripped into the water barrels. Told the tale of my mulberry often on this group so won't bore anyone again suffice to say I would NEVER grow a mulberry again and it would certainly go for the drains and heave up the foundations on my house! I really don't know what was up with your mulberry. They're not known to be fast growing and mine certainly isn't, and no trouble with rotting fruit - it's too delicious and gets eaten straight away. Not at all the insipid berries you've described. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Jim W" wrote in message news:1g0xsz5.1vdh6vxfhrneoN%00senetnospamtodayta@m acunlimited.net... Franz Heymann wrote: "Jim W" wrote in message news:1g0rtsd.1jpv6fyefxn5sN%00senetnospamtodayta@m acunlimited.net... [snip] How about a small Acacia from Eucalyptus.co.uk I am not aware of any acacia which is really hardy. Franz Well I am in London. The tree in Q is an Acacia (not mock or false) but is in a NW facing garden at the op of a hill. So frost and drainage not a 'major' problem. Eg water and frost drainage are sharp. We do get frost but it is mild by comparison to outer lying areas.. Point is this tree has been growing quite happily last 4 -5 years.. So it must have SOME hardiness. Hence I recommended contacting Celyn Vale who would advise. False Acacia is a Robinia. That is not what I was thinking about. The RHS encyclopedia lists 10 different true Acacias. It says that in general their minimum safe temperatures vary between 5 and 7 deg C. So, either the encyclopedia is wrong, or the tree you are referring to iis very lucky. Franz |
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from Janet Tweedy contains these words: I prefer to stick with fairly normal trees for Britain just because it gives the insects and birds something to feed on generally, but thanks for the offer Jim. How about one of the mountain ash/sorbus family? Flowers, pretty leaves, reliable fruit, autumn colour, feeding birds, rock hardy, no mess, not too big, and non-invasive roots. Choose your fruit colour from white, pinks, reds, yellows, gold, orange. Janet. |
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