For those that don't know about it.....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html


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Regards
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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For those that don't know about it.....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html
Regards
Bob

Yippee - now the rest of the world.............
Jenny

"JennyC" wrote in message after me
For those that don't know about it.....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html

Yippee - now the rest of the world.............

Well seeing as most of the worlds spam comes from about 200 people, mostly
from the US, and one town in Florida is known as the Spam Capital of the
World it has to be excellent news if the law is worded correctly and
policed.

Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an "Op
In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is, it would
be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now.

Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day.

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Bob

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http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
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from "Bob Hobden" contains these words:
"JennyC" wrote in message after me

For those that don't know about it.....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html

Yippee - now the rest of the world.............

Well seeing as most of the worlds spam comes from about 200 people, mostly
from the US, and one town in Florida is known as the Spam Capital of the
World it has to be excellent news if the law is worded correctly and
policed.

Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an "Op
In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is, it would
be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now.

Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day.

Anti-spam legislation has been enacted by Parliament and comes into
force early - middle of December. It becomes some sort of an offence to
disseminate it.

However, just who is going to investigate complaints and how they could
have any effect on spam from abroad is a mystery.

Perhaps they want to create jobs for several thousand new civil servants?

--
Rusty Hinge http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:28:59 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
For those that don't know about it.....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031122/80/eeo1i.html
Regards
Bob

Yippee - now the rest of the world.............

Ireland and Spain already did the same.

Not that I recall ever having spam from either.
--
Martin

In message , Bob Hobden
writes
Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an
"Op In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is,
it would be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now.

Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day.


Horrible thought: I've just trawled through news reports on this, and
found:

"For the first time during the Internet era, American consumers will
have the ability to say no to spam," said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., who
spearheaded the negotiations.

Could that mean that somehow the rest of us won't be able to opt out!!??
(So far today we've had over 200 spam - do you suppose the spammers are
all going mad before they are nipped in the bud?)

Klara

--

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:54:14 +0000, klara
wrote:

In message , Bob Hobden
writes
Trouble is the US wanted an "Opt Out" law unlike the EU which wants an
"Op In" law, I'm not sure about this present bill though. One thing is,
it would be illegal for them to hide their ID as they do now.

Any control must be better than now, we get about 100 spam's per day.


Horrible thought: I've just trawled through news reports on this, and
found:

"For the first time during the Internet era, American consumers will
have the ability to say no to spam," said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., who
spearheaded the negotiations.

Could that mean that somehow the rest of us won't be able to opt out!!??
(So far today we've had over 200 spam - do you suppose the spammers are
all going mad before they are nipped in the bud?)

I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.
--
Martin

In article , martin
writes

I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.

We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
not an active address!!

We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.

Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
If you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote:

~In article , martin
writes
~
~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.
~
~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
~not an active address!!
~
~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.
~
~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))

How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I
don't think it can bounce stuff.


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote:

~In article , martin
writes
~
~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.
~
~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
~not an active address!!
~
~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.
~
~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))

How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I
don't think it can bounce stuff.

You have to use something like Mailwasher. Unfortunately some Spam
uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to
innocent people. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail.
--
Martin

In article , Jane Ransom
writes
In article , martin
writes

I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.

We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
not an active address!!

We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.

Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))

But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, they are either
throw away ones or an unknowing host. I have been adjusting the
rejection rules for a number of months now and haven't seen any
reduction in the amount of overall mail, just the amount that's getting
through. AIUI there is usually no way back to the spammer from the email
that you are sent. I also get a lot of returned rejected mail saying
that the address is unknown :-(((
--
David

In article , Jane Ransom
writes
In article , martin
writes

I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.

We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
not an active address!!

We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.

Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))

But just about all the return addresses are false Jane, they are either
throw away ones or an unknowing host. I have been adjusting the
rejection rules for a number of months now and haven't seen any
reduction in the amount of overall mail, just the amount that's getting
through. AIUI there is usually no way back to the spammer from the email
that you are sent. I also get a lot of returned rejected mail saying
that the address is unknown :-(((
--
David

In article , martin
writes
~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))

How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I
don't think it can bounce stuff.

I use Turnpike so can't tell you if Agent has that capability - sorry

You have to use something like Mailwasher.

No you don't, you just have to use a good mail reader - we use Turnpike.

Unfortunately some Spam
uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to
innocent people.

The spammers from harvested addresses are businesses touting for more
business - they want replies to their adverts, they do not want bounced
stuff. Therefore they take you off their mailing list if you do not
appear to be a valid address.

Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail.

Nope . . . . you are WRONG.
After bouncing the mails that came to us after my husband's little
lapse, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPAM on that mailbox.
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom
wrote:

~In article , martin
writes
~
~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.
~
~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
~not an active address!!
~
~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.
~
~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))

How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I
don't think it can bounce stuff.

You have to use something like Mailwasher. Unfortunately some Spam
uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to
innocent people. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail.

I used to use Mailwasher before I got my ISP to filter out my spam. I never
noticed any significant drop in spam which I could associate with whether I
bounced or just deleted.

Franz

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:47:21 +0100, martin wrote:

~On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:
~
~On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:17:50 +0000, Jane Ransom
~wrote:
~
~~In article , martin
writes
~~
~~I have had a ten fold increase in spam over the last couple of days.
~~
~~We have found that if you bounce spams (envelope rejection), you are
~~soon taken off the mailing lists. When the address harvesters guarantee
~~to provide, x million active addresses, they mean *active*. A bounce is
~~not an active address!!
~~
~~We know this because recently, when my spousal unit got his new machine,
~~he sent just *one* measly little post to his news group before
~~remembering to hide his email address. Within hours we were receiving
~~spams and within 24 this amounted to dozens. We then changed our active
~~mail box and bounced everything from the old mail box. Within a week we
~~were receiving only the odd spam and now don't seem to receive any.
~~
~~Believe me BOUNCING SPAM WORKS )))))))))))))
~
~How does one do it please? I have a really old version of Agent and I
~don't think it can bounce stuff.
~
~You have to use something like Mailwasher. Unfortunately some Spam
~uses forged FROM: and you could get into trouble by bouncing to
~innocent people. Most spammer sites ignore bounced mail.

A lot of my spam is bounced stuff that has me forged as the sender. I
am forever emailing Demon abuse saying that I've been used yet again
and please not to think I'm a spammer if anyone complains.

250+ today and counting... one useful mail.
Sadly I suspect that posting here has upped my visibility so that I'm
getting more. Though I can filter out a lot of it - anyone I know goes
into folders immediately, obvious spam gets filtered by keywords into
a junk folder for immediate deletion without reading (or I get
incensed at the filth) and I get about 20 to vet. Obviously, I'd
rather not have to...

Unfortunately, occasionally I delete a genuine mail from someone who
hasn't mailed me before. *sigh*

I think I'm going to have to switch to a different username and bin
anything to jane. That should remove the rest of the spam or at least
make it 100% filterable.


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

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