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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:05:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough .. wrote: Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================= ================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). *full quote* "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". *full quote* He totally ignored all the negative comments made to his proposed charter. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Where in the proposal does he say that a new group would be good for URG? But where would the harm come from? A minority of posts on a subject not included in urgs' charter on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. This would leave urg to become the proper place to discuss plants/planting/growing in the home gardening situation, like its title. Subscribe to both, if, as some say, 'it will die', so be it! If it flourishes, more power to it! Either way, you will have to read no more posts (unless it takes off), once you have marked a post as read it is read on the next group as well (well it does on the most common newsreader), so you only have to read 'unread' posts. Which ever way it goes the only winner can be Horticulture! (should urg be u.r h? ) Anthony |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:05:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough .. wrote: Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================= ================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). *full quote* "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". *full quote* He totally ignored all the negative comments made to his proposed charter. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Where in the proposal does he say that a new group would be good for URG? But where would the harm come from? A minority of posts on a subject not included in urgs' charter on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. This would leave urg to become the proper place to discuss plants/planting/growing in the home gardening situation, like its title. Subscribe to both, if, as some say, 'it will die', so be it! If it flourishes, more power to it! Either way, you will have to read no more posts (unless it takes off), once you have marked a post as read it is read on the next group as well (well it does on the most common newsreader), so you only have to read 'unread' posts. Which ever way it goes the only winner can be Horticulture! (should urg be u.r h? ) Anthony |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:05:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough .. wrote: Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================= ================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). *full quote* "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". *full quote* He totally ignored all the negative comments made to his proposed charter. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Where in the proposal does he say that a new group would be good for URG? But where would the harm come from? A minority of posts on a subject not included in urgs' charter on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. This would leave urg to become the proper place to discuss plants/planting/growing in the home gardening situation, like its title. Subscribe to both, if, as some say, 'it will die', so be it! If it flourishes, more power to it! Either way, you will have to read no more posts (unless it takes off), once you have marked a post as read it is read on the next group as well (well it does on the most common newsreader), so you only have to read 'unread' posts. Which ever way it goes the only winner can be Horticulture! (should urg be u.r h? ) Anthony |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================== ================= PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. ================================================== ================= That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Janet |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:05:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough ..
wrote: Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================= ================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. ================================================= ================== That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). He totally ignored all the negative comments made to his proposed charter. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Vote NO! -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"Neil Jones" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Neil Jones" wrote in message ... "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: I see nothing relating to the allotments issue in uk.net.news.config. What date and what title should I see? 1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments Ah. Too late, I see. Too late? The voting has only just started... How can it have started if I have not yet seen any reference whatsoever to this in ok.net.news.config? Franz I don't know precisely why you haven't seen it but the call for votes was cross posted to the various groups rather than (as is implied in the message) being posted to each group individually. Maybe you filter crossposts? No, I don't. I guess I will just have to wait for a day or two to see what gives. How long is the voting period likely to last? Franz |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"Pedt" "\"@ wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Franz Heymann said: "Neil Jones" wrote in message ... "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: I see nothing relating to the allotments issue in uk.net.news.config. What date and what title should I see? 1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments Ah. Too late, I see. Too late? The voting has only just started... How can it have started if I have not yet seen any reference whatsoever to this in ok.net.news.config? The CFV appears to not have reached some news servers. It *was* posted to uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.rec.gardening under Message-ID: I see someone has copied the CFV into urg elsewhere in this thread. That copy is the same as posted to unna/unnc/urg for the avoidance of doubt *Read it before requesting a ballot paper*. Ballot paper is available by emailing which is the follow-up on the original CFV. Posts not propagating properly is a fact of life on Usenet. This post PGP signed as owner of dontspame.com Many thanks for the info. Franz |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:05:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough .. wrote: Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================= ================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). *full quote* "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". *full quote* He totally ignored all the negative comments made to his proposed charter. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Where in the proposal does he say that a new group would be good for URG? But where would the harm come from? A minority of posts on a subject not included in urgs' charter on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. This would leave urg to become the proper place to discuss plants/planting/growing in the home gardening situation, like its title. Subscribe to both, if, as some say, 'it will die', so be it! If it flourishes, more power to it! Either way, you will have to read no more posts (unless it takes off), once you have marked a post as read it is read on the next group as well (well it does on the most common newsreader), so you only have to read 'unread' posts. Which ever way it goes the only winner can be Horticulture! (should urg be u.r h? ) Anthony |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
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from martin contains these words: I voted yesterday. I may vote again tomorrow. How? You can't vote until you are sent the 'ballot slip'. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
The message
from martin contains these words: I voted yesterday. I may vote again tomorrow. How? You can't vote until you are sent the 'ballot slip'. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
"Janet Baraclough .." wrote in message ... Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================== ================= PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. ================================================== ================= That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). At best that is a total misinterpretation of the views I saw. At worst, it is a lie in order to drum up support for his breakaway ng. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. In any case Gary is wrong about reducing the bandwidth usage, since it is certain that the vast bulk of the threads in the new ng will be crossposted to urg, for the sake of getting a reasonable participation rate. I urge all urglers to take the trouble to vote NO, as this is an entiely disruptive piece of empire building. Franz |
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"Anthony" wrote in message ... "martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:05:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough .. wrote: Quote from start of thread: The Proponent is Gary Poston ================================================= ================== PROPONENT's Summary of Discussion I've not taken part in the discussion but monitored it and think I can win. On monitoring the threads for the last 10 days and come to a conclusion that I expect to have at least 12 more yes votes than no votes. "Some" people are still against the formation of uk.rec.gardening.allotments. "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". People with Allotments are more likely to use uk.rec.gardening.allotments because this will be more common to them and would cut bandwidth with regards to uk.rec.gardening general gardening threads. A lot of people are in favour of an uk.rec.gardening.allotments newsgroup, a select few "beg to differ" or are in two minds which way to vote. That "summary" does not tally with my reading of the discussion either here or in unnc. For instance, I saw nothing in the public discussion to support the claim that (of the people who took part), "Most" believe allotments are a total different issue to gardening" (sic). *full quote* "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" for example; Allotments are "plots of land" not your common house "garden". *full quote* So he did in fact say that QUOTE "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" UNQUOTE. He totally ignored all the negative comments made to his proposed charter. Urglers should note Gary's final para about "cutting bandwidth to urg general gardening threads". In other words his stated aim and intention is that his new group will reduce the number of postings to urg on a topic that has often enriched urg gardening discussions in the past. Is that good for uk.rec.gardening? I beg to differ. Where in the proposal does he say that a new group would be good for URG? Ah, so is his intent just to split urg, thereby being the opposite of "good for URG" But where would the harm come from? A minority of posts on a subject not included in urgs' charter That is total rubbish. Please familiarise yourself with urg's charter and understand it before talking such nonsense. on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. Urglers are in fact this very minute discussing "sheds and planning to their hearts content." Please look at the list of current threads. This would leave urg to become the proper place to discuss plants/planting/growing in the home gardening situation, like its title. None of the above exclude the discussion of allotment gardening. If you don't believe this, then instead of just bleating, post something about allotment gardening to see what sort of response you get. Subscribe to both, if, as some say, 'it will die', so be it! That is not a sensible reason for starting a new group. If it flourishes, more power to it! Either way, you will have to read no more posts (unless it takes off), once you have marked a post as read it is read on the next group as well (well it does on the most common newsreader), so you only have to read 'unread' posts. Which ever way it goes the only winner can be Horticulture! (should urg be u.r h? ) I leave it for others to decide for themselves whether that last paragraph spells out a case for splitting a very active group just to satisfy the whim of a person, or small coterie of folk who have never tried to participate in the existing group. Franz |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from martin contains these words: I voted yesterday. I may vote again tomorrow. How? You can't vote until you are sent the 'ballot slip'. I was sent my ballot yesterday and voted by return. Neil |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:06:46 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: I voted yesterday. I may vote again tomorrow. How? You can't vote until you are sent the 'ballot slip'. I was sent a ballot slip immediately. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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