"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:34:40 -0000, "david taylor"
wrote:


In the northern hemisphere the few extra degrees sloping to the south
is
worth a lot in winter. Where we are in Devon the sun is about 16.5
degrees
above the horizon on 21st December, in Newcastle it would be about 10
degrees an so on. 6 degrees slope makes quite a differnce to the
incident
energy on a South facing slope-60% ish per sq.m in Newcastle.

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Margus" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
I have to choose between two properties, one on a slope and a flat
one
just down the slope. The slope is quite gentle, about 1 to 10 or
about
6 degrees if my math is correct. The size of the properties is
about
30 000 sq ft. I have never lived on a slope, therefore don't know
what
is good or bad in it. I guess there is more trouble with the slopy
one, but is it worth it? Which property would you choose other
things
(size, cost etc) being equal?

In the northern hemisphere the few extra degrees sloping to the south
is
worth a lot in winter. Where we are in Devon the sun is about 16.5
degrees
above the horizon on 21st December, in Newcastle it would be about 10
degrees an so on. 6 degrees slope makes quite a difference to the
incident
energy on a South facing slope-60% ish per sq.m in Newcastle.

Franz Heymann will calculate the difference and report back.

If the sun sits at 10 deg above the horizon, then
The (intensity on a horizontal plot) / (intensity on a plot sloping 6 deg
towards the sun) will be approximately 1.6, making the usual small angle
approximations, so David's estimate is good.

It should be easy for any of you to see that I quoted the reciprocal of the
ratio {:-((

Franz

"Margus" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
I have to choose between two properties, one on a slope and a flat one
just down the slope. The slope is quite gentle, about 1 to 10 or about
6 degrees if my math is correct. The size of the properties is about
30 000 sq ft. I have never lived on a slope, therefore don't know what
is good or bad in it. I guess there is more trouble with the slopy
one, but is it worth it? Which property would you choose other things
(size, cost etc) being equal?


If your garden slopes then rain is going to slope downhill too and the
higher bit will drain and dry out much quicker so is likely to be a
nightmare to keep planted/grassed etc especially if we continue to get hot
summers

i would opt for a flat garden anytime

The message
from Margus contains these words:

Janet Baraclough .. ::

That would depend on what kind of soil it is, what aspect the slope
has,(south, west etc), whether the house is at the top or bottom of the
slope, facing the slope, whether there's a river/stream close by, who
will use the garden and what you want to do in it.

Janet


Don't know much about the soil.

I advise you to find out :-).

Slope is to the south-west.

Sunny for most of the day.

House will be most likely at the top of the slope.

Well, if the slope is wet at least the water is running away from the
house. If the slope continues above the plot, then remember the plot
will be collecting drained groundwater from above. If the area has low
rainfall this may be unimportant; if it's high rainfall, or downhill
from a river that floods, it could matter a lot. You need to look on
maps for local watercourses, and also ask about where the land drains
lie on the plot you might buy..

Of course there will be some fruit trees and beds for veggies.

Be very sure that you are able and willing to push/haul barrows and
mowers up and down the slope.

Janet

The message
from Margus contains these words:

Janet Baraclough .. ::

That would depend on what kind of soil it is, what aspect the slope
has,(south, west etc), whether the house is at the top or bottom of the
slope, facing the slope, whether there's a river/stream close by, who
will use the garden and what you want to do in it.

Janet


Don't know much about the soil.

I advise you to find out :-).

Slope is to the south-west.

Sunny for most of the day.

House will be most likely at the top of the slope.

Well, if the slope is wet at least the water is running away from the
house. If the slope continues above the plot, then remember the plot
will be collecting drained groundwater from above. If the area has low
rainfall this may be unimportant; if it's high rainfall, or downhill
from a river that floods, it could matter a lot. You need to look on
maps for local watercourses, and also ask about where the land drains
lie on the plot you might buy..

Of course there will be some fruit trees and beds for veggies.

Be very sure that you are able and willing to push/haul barrows and
mowers up and down the slope.

Janet

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:34:40 -0000, "david taylor"
wrote:


In the northern hemisphere the few extra degrees sloping to the south
is
worth a lot in winter. Where we are in Devon the sun is about 16.5
degrees
above the horizon on 21st December, in Newcastle it would be about 10
degrees an so on. 6 degrees slope makes quite a differnce to the
incident
energy on a South facing slope-60% ish per sq.m in Newcastle.

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Margus" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
I have to choose between two properties, one on a slope and a flat
one
just down the slope. The slope is quite gentle, about 1 to 10 or
about
6 degrees if my math is correct. The size of the properties is
about
30 000 sq ft. I have never lived on a slope, therefore don't know
what
is good or bad in it. I guess there is more trouble with the slopy
one, but is it worth it? Which property would you choose other
things
(size, cost etc) being equal?

In the northern hemisphere the few extra degrees sloping to the south
is
worth a lot in winter. Where we are in Devon the sun is about 16.5
degrees
above the horizon on 21st December, in Newcastle it would be about 10
degrees an so on. 6 degrees slope makes quite a difference to the
incident
energy on a South facing slope-60% ish per sq.m in Newcastle.

Franz Heymann will calculate the difference and report back.

If the sun sits at 10 deg above the horizon, then
The (intensity on a horizontal plot) / (intensity on a plot sloping 6 deg
towards the sun) will be approximately 1.6, making the usual small angle
approximations, so David's estimate is good.

It should be easy for any of you to see that I quoted the reciprocal of the
ratio {:-((

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:34:40 -0000, "david taylor"
wrote:


In the northern hemisphere the few extra degrees sloping to the south
is
worth a lot in winter. Where we are in Devon the sun is about 16.5
degrees
above the horizon on 21st December, in Newcastle it would be about 10
degrees an so on. 6 degrees slope makes quite a differnce to the
incident
energy on a South facing slope-60% ish per sq.m in Newcastle.

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Margus" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
I have to choose between two properties, one on a slope and a flat
one
just down the slope. The slope is quite gentle, about 1 to 10 or
about
6 degrees if my math is correct. The size of the properties is
about
30 000 sq ft. I have never lived on a slope, therefore don't know
what
is good or bad in it. I guess there is more trouble with the slopy
one, but is it worth it? Which property would you choose other
things
(size, cost etc) being equal?

In the northern hemisphere the few extra degrees sloping to the south
is
worth a lot in winter. Where we are in Devon the sun is about 16.5
degrees
above the horizon on 21st December, in Newcastle it would be about 10
degrees an so on. 6 degrees slope makes quite a difference to the
incident
energy on a South facing slope-60% ish per sq.m in Newcastle.

Franz Heymann will calculate the difference and report back.

If the sun sits at 10 deg above the horizon, then
The (intensity on a horizontal plot) / (intensity on a plot sloping 6 deg
towards the sun) will be approximately 1.6, making the usual small angle
approximations, so David's estimate is good.

It should be easy for any of you to see that I quoted the reciprocal of the
ratio {:-((

Franz

"Margus" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
I have to choose between two properties, one on a slope and a flat one
just down the slope. The slope is quite gentle, about 1 to 10 or about
6 degrees if my math is correct. The size of the properties is about
30 000 sq ft. I have never lived on a slope, therefore don't know what
is good or bad in it. I guess there is more trouble with the slopy
one, but is it worth it? Which property would you choose other things
(size, cost etc) being equal?


If your garden slopes then rain is going to slope downhill too and the
higher bit will drain and dry out much quicker so is likely to be a
nightmare to keep planted/grassed etc especially if we continue to get hot
summers

i would opt for a flat garden anytime

"Margus" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
I have to choose between two properties, one on a slope and a flat one
just down the slope. The slope is quite gentle, about 1 to 10 or about
6 degrees if my math is correct. The size of the properties is about
30 000 sq ft. I have never lived on a slope, therefore don't know what
is good or bad in it. I guess there is more trouble with the slopy
one, but is it worth it? Which property would you choose other things
(size, cost etc) being equal?


If your garden slopes then rain is going to slope downhill too and the
higher bit will drain and dry out much quicker so is likely to be a
nightmare to keep planted/grassed etc especially if we continue to get hot
summers

i would opt for a flat garden anytime

"nambucca" wrote in
:

If your garden slopes then rain is going to slope downhill too and the
higher bit will drain and dry out much quicker so is likely to be a
nightmare to keep planted/grassed etc especially if we continue to get
hot summers

i would opt for a flat garden anytime

My sloping garden doesn't see this effect. It drains consistently
throughout and the water runs away further down the hill. It certainly
isn't particularly dry.

Although it is quite steep, I haven't seen the 'rolling down the hill'
factor either. I edge each of my beds on the downhill side with a bit of a
lip, and this catches any mulch that decides to go a-wandering.

I would go for the sloping garden for the view and the extra sun, if the
slope is not too steep, and you have no special reason for wanting the
whole thing flat (eg kids with balls, wheelchairs etc).

Builders are usually pretty terrible about sorting out topsoil on new
estates, so you will probably have to do a fair bit to restore it
whichever. The sloping garden is perhaps a bit less likely to have an
entire brick-heap buried under it.

Victoria

"nambucca" wrote in
:

If your garden slopes then rain is going to slope downhill too and the
higher bit will drain and dry out much quicker so is likely to be a
nightmare to keep planted/grassed etc especially if we continue to get
hot summers

i would opt for a flat garden anytime

My sloping garden doesn't see this effect. It drains consistently
throughout and the water runs away further down the hill. It certainly
isn't particularly dry.

Although it is quite steep, I haven't seen the 'rolling down the hill'
factor either. I edge each of my beds on the downhill side with a bit of a
lip, and this catches any mulch that decides to go a-wandering.

I would go for the sloping garden for the view and the extra sun, if the
slope is not too steep, and you have no special reason for wanting the
whole thing flat (eg kids with balls, wheelchairs etc).

Builders are usually pretty terrible about sorting out topsoil on new
estates, so you will probably have to do a fair bit to restore it
whichever. The sloping garden is perhaps a bit less likely to have an
entire brick-heap buried under it.

Victoria

I've got just one more question. When terracing, do you bring in new
soil to level the ground or is it possible to do it by relocating the
existing soil?
If I should terrace this 30 000 sq ft property, that has height
difference about 15 feet, only with new soil, then I will need it A
LOT, like 30 truck loads or so.

I've got just one more question. When terracing, do you bring in new
soil to level the ground or is it possible to do it by relocating the
existing soil?
If I should terrace this 30 000 sq ft property, that has height
difference about 15 feet, only with new soil, then I will need it A
LOT, like 30 truck loads or so.

I've got just one more question. When terracing, do you bring in new
soil to level the ground or is it possible to do it by relocating the
existing soil?
If I should terrace this 30 000 sq ft property, that has height
difference about 15 feet, only with new soil, then I will need it A
LOT, like 30 truck loads or so.

I've got just one more question. When terracing, do you bring in new
soil to level the ground or is it possible to do it by relocating the
existing soil?
If I should terrace this 30 000 sq ft property, that has height
difference about 15 feet, only with new soil, then I will need it A
LOT, like 30 truck loads or so.

In article , Margus
writes
I've got just one more question. When terracing, do you bring in new
soil to level the ground or is it possible to do it by relocating the
existing soil?
If I should terrace this 30 000 sq ft property, that has height
difference about 15 feet, only with new soil, then I will need it A
LOT, like 30 truck loads or so.

I would have thought that a combination of cut and fill - ie the back of
each terrace is cut into the slope and the front is built up, would be
more stable than building the terrace entirely with new soil.

If you relocate existing soil, remember to keep the top soil separate
from the rest - you will want the top soil on top eventually.

Either way, it's going to be a horrendous task.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm